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Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 13:44

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 12:56

Oiky wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 10:12 Skullduggery everywhere

Except in friendly Bulgaria!

Holy fvck, one of those guys is the spitting image of me, I genuinely had to do a double take that it wasn’t me in the photo

Ha ha me too, sort of, except his head is too small because there are not enough brains in it and he's even broader shouldered than me - or is just the tiny head giving that illusion? - but shorter than me. I'd whup him! Bulgarian gangsters. Friendly fellows. Not. Parasites on society.

Hey if anyone has a way to see this fight please PM me. It's supposed to be on now.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 14:01

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 13:44

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 12:56


Except in friendly Bulgaria!

Holy fvck, one of those guys is the spitting image of me, I genuinely had to do a double take that it wasn’t me in the photo

Ha ha me too, sort of, except his head is too small because there are not enough brains in it and I think he's even broader shouldered than me! Bulgarian gangsters. Friendly fellows. Not.

Hey if anyone has a way to see this fight please PM me. It's supposed to be on now.

The UK TV coverage doesn’t start until 9pm here, that’s over 90 minutes away. It’s free to view here on Channel 5, but I don’t know how you’d view it from another country.

still early into the undercard

currently some 2-0 popov fellow vs former ebu champ but now losing journeyman giuseppe lauri

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 14:19

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 14:01

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 13:44



Holy fvck, one of those guys is the spitting image of me, I genuinely had to do a double take that it wasn’t me in the photo

Ha ha me too, sort of, except his head is too small because there are not enough brains in it and I think he's even broader shouldered than me! Bulgarian gangsters. Friendly fellows. Not.

Hey if anyone has a way to see this fight please PM me. It's supposed to be on now.

The UK TV coverage doesn’t start until 9pm here, that’s over 90 minutes away. It’s free to view here on Channel 5, but I don’t know how you’d view it from another country.

Thanks for the time info. That must be why I can't find any streams. I thought it started already. I'm in the US. I can never get boxing times straight.

I edited the quote you quoted.

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 14:23 still early into the undercard

currently some 2-0 popov fellow vs former ebu champ but now losing journeyman giuseppe lauri

Pulev's little brother is fighting too. Oh so the fights have started - and still no luck with streams. It's not on any TV here In the US, free or pay, so it should be ok to post a link to it right on here if anyone knows of one.

It's on channel 5, also as a stream.

Fury has to start fuck8ng sit down on his punches, that's it! I don't see any big man faster on his feet or being a better boxer. He's a natural fighter since childhood like his cousin, you can't learn that. But you also can't learn the beastlike power & heavy handedness that joshua possesses, who is somehow clumsy in comparision but trains meticuously & hard on short combinations and the placing of his feet to make up the natural boxing talent.

Either one, pulev & fury will give joshua a tough fight, both have a much better jab, joshua's jab is more of a range measuring tool than a real punch. A powerful jab of a tall man like pulev's or fury's (if he puts some power in it) would be a tough task for aj trying to get past it.

Fury has to sit down on his punches!

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 12:56

Oiky wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 10:12 Skullduggery everywhere

Except in friendly Bulgaria!

ron4972 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 10:04

ValMar wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 07:51 . It is very, very simple, Hearn (or ODLH, or any Russian or German wealthy promoter) will always pay the judges (and refs) and they are always willing to be paid.

This is always the case in boxing, everywhere in the world. That's because promoters invest a lot of money in building up their star fighters. The only way the promoter can see a financial return on that investment is if his fighter keeps winning. One loss can wreck everything on a marketing and promotional level. If that happens, then the promoter's investment goes sour.

Given this reality, it's no surprise that promoter's everywhere hedge their investment by paying off officials to favor the hometown fighter. That's kind of like buying an insurance policy to protect their investment in the event of a disaster.

Unfortunate, but true.

Yes !

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 12:56

Oiky wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 10:12 Skullduggery everywhere

Except in friendly Bulgaria!

Oh, my Balkan...........

Pulev dominated Fury. I picked Fury to win, but I also saw this fight close, yet Fury did almost nothing.

pulv 9-3 for me...he was better then joe p was vs fury.

118-110
117-111
115-113

pulev ud

i had 117-111 Pulev. it was ugly fight but it was predictable.

dagilechia wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 17:21 i had 117-111 Pulev. it was ugly fight but it was predictable.

Thanks for the PM, Dags, and 117-111 sounds about right. The 115-113 was baloney. Loads of clinching. Surprised they stopped the cut so well. HF unimpressive.

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 17:19 pulv 9-3 for me...he was better then joe p was vs fury.

Yeah, and the score is acceptable, only about 1-3 rounds can be given to Fury.

That cut was deep, put him off & on the back foot the whole fight, he just didn't do enough or vary the punches. That right hand came from the hips swinging for the fences, on the rare occasions he kept it a tad shorter & put it in straight it was more effective.

He gassed too quite a bit, surely not in top shape. Still work to do on his fitness. No excuse, pulev put on a clinical performance, discussion about his shape & age should be over.

Fury is 24, you can't buy the experience he made tonight so he's got plenty time to take a step back, improve & come back & go for the top spots again. There's no one his age fighting opposition of that level at the moment.

If pulev is strong enough to give joshua some trouble, i doubt it, even fury had him rattled once but didn't follow up. He is open for the right hand and joshua will put him under a different kind of pressure coming forward.

Lennox wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 05:58 I shall be testing my boxing knowledge tonight because I see Pulev in a different league to Hughie Fury. Unless Kubrat has gone massively backwards I expect him to outpoint HF fairly easily. KP has much harder punching power.

I have never rated HF perhaps I am wrong.

No, you were right Lennox and I was wrong. Congratulations Kubrat, you might have done a fine impression of an octopus but no one could deny you won the fight clearly. You appeared to be as effective as you ever were. If you have begun your decline like Ortiz and Povetkin, then it will take a far better performance than Hughie's to expose that.

Hughie was a massive disappointment. He looked like the man approaching 38 years old. He wasted his mobility by going continually to the corner. Did he think he was against a tag team and the 'other opponent' was going to attack him from behind?. That tactic conceded his advantage in speed, and prevented him from making Pulev's old legs work overtime. It was Hughie looked totally drained though so perhaps it would have been his legs found wanting. I expected he would jab and move and make Pulev look laboured and dispirited.

To be fair Hughie threw the right quite a lot, but it was mainly wide, oh so ponderous, swings that Pulev was able to evade easily. The one time Fury got through with a clean shot that hurt Pulev, the awful referee jumped in to give him extra time to recover, after which Hughie stood off and gave hiim even more. The cut was unfortunate but the corner did a fantastic job to contain it.

On that performance there can be little doubt I've been guilty of overrating Hughie. On the positive side he is still very young in heavyweight terms, He has shown he can mix it with the big boys and remain vertical. His chin is on par with my estimation even if his stamina isn't. He has plenty of time and room for improvement and thie two losses should provide valuable experience. He should have a decent future in the ring. His time is not now though.

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 17:28

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Oct 2018, 17:19 pulv 9-3 for me...he was better then joe p was vs fury.

Yeah, and the score is acceptable, only about 1-3 rounds can be given to Fury.

I agree with you.
It was a pretty boring fight, Pulev has no chance against Joshua.

Two dreadful fighters to watch. Neither has ever been in a good fight and neither is skilled enough to outbox a fighter in an entertaining way. Garbage

How can you be a pro boxer without knowing how to throw a left? Fury didn’t throw 1 left all night. Aside from a lazy jab. His trainer should get his ass kicked. I wouldn’t give that kid his right handed boxing glove back until the kid could break and egg with the left.

@Ilya: Yes I thought I recognized you from the photograph. You're the one wearing the dark shirt and pants, right?

Re: Bulgaria. No your only previous explanation was"When I was back in Bulgaria". It makes sense now (birthplace)

Tuscongrad is the second city of the Russian Oblast of Arizonskaya. Seriously just a tongue-in-cheek reference to your colorful heritage.

Lastly re the demise of British sportsmanship, Back in my childhood every football team had an enforcer whose job it was to kick the opposition six feet up in the air. It was regarded as part of a tough sport played by men. There was no diving or play-acting though, these were brought into the English game by foreign imports. It was initially the source of derision and scorn but it has gradually become part of the English game just like everywhere else..

The fact is (for example) securing a penalty decision by cheating wins games so if you refuse to participate in such behaviour you put yourself at a serious disadvantage, and the knowledge that you played fair is scant consolation for the financial loss and general misery of getting relegated or leaving the World Cup prematurely.

Some might bemoan the fact we've sold out. Others will say we have wised up.

@Valmar: You're very kind (me being idealistic not naive). My knowledge of and interest in boxing is largely confined to fights and fighters, everything else I've picked up over the years is merely peripheral, so I could be talking shite here:

Correct me if you know better, but surely the promoter doesn't even get to know who the referee and judges are going to be until a short period before the event takes place? The appointments are selected by the governing body. I would have thought that the officials are paid by the BBBC in the UK and all the BBBC's costs, fees, expenses are subsequently charged to the promotion/ promoter, i.e. there is no direct interaction between promoter and officials? If that isn't how it is then it damn well ought to be.

So if the promoter is going to secure some insurance by crossing the palms of the judges with silver, then he or his proxy must make an illicit approach to presumably at least one judge, maybe more? Some might be receptive but they won't all be crooks. What happens when a judge with integrity reports the illegal approach to the BBBC? What happens when there have been several reports of attempted bribery on behalf of the same promoter over a period of years?.

Not only that but taking AJ as an example, the guy has knocked out all but one of his opponents, in fact it could be Parker was only the exception because AJ wanted the experience of going the full twelve rounds (or maybe not)

Knowing what you know of Eddie Hearn, do you think he is likely to spend money on the services of the judges who history has shown are unlikely to be called upon anyway, even if doing so were not illegal and extremely risky?

Now there's a great deal I don't know about, but it seems to me that we on here (me included) are quick to make casual allegations of corruption without necessarily giving a lot of thought to the practicalities of how that might be made to work

You're so level headed when it doesn't involve wilder. Really bizarre, somehow you have an unpopular American running a Mexican organization and yet you post that sensible post. Lol

It always makes me laugh how Wilder fans always accuse his detractors of saying how Wilder controls, Wilder influences, Wilder schemes etcetera, when in reality nobody ever says such things. Let's be clear it's a wonder Wilder can find his ass to wipe it, never mind occupy the centre of a world wide web of intrigue.

The point is Deontay has extremely powerful people protecting his interests notably Al Haymon whose interest I suspect is more a matter of prestige than finance, and he exerts control through his instrument the WBC. This isn't the paranoid delusion of a rabid Joshua fan, you only have to look at the history of it. Since beating the very average Bermane Stiverne for the title he has faced only one mandatory challenger in four years, guess who, yes Bermane Stiverne who had only had one fight in the intervening period, where he climbed off the floor to scrape past journeyman Derric Rossy. A man who had no right to be the mandatory other than being managed by another croney Don King. A man that to noone's surprise didn't survive the opening round.

Oh but it wasn't Wilder's fault Povetkin failed a drug test, he was willing to go to Russia. Was he? One week before the fight he was still in England - when was he going, on the day of the fight? Did he have tickets, accommodation, or was he just waiting for confirmation he could come home? The drug test failure has since been shown to be bogus and Povetkin has a lawsuit going on because of it.

Dillian Whyte has earned his number one WBC ranking fighting regularly against rated opposition. Wilder wants no part of Whyte and has rejected more than double his best ever earnings to face him on several occasions. An exasperated Eddie Hearn suggested he'd be forced to defend against Whyte for much less pay once the WBC called their mandatory but as if by magic the WBC made a "mistake" and made mandatory not their number one contender but the winner between their numbers two and nine. Even now the WBC haven't called for Wilder to fight their mandatory Dominic Breazeale. Wilder texted Whyte to tell him he would keep him waiting for two years before giving him a title shot. Of course only the WBC can make that a reality - go figure.

As I've said to you before I didn't start out despising Wilder, he has earned it. I could be a massive fan of his because he is exciting and fun to watch. I'll tell you what though - if Joshua was going to such lengths to avoid Miller (assuming Miller had earned his shot like Whyte has) then I would be furious with him and ashamed of him and the US/UK thing wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.