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Oiky wrote: ↑18 Oct 2018, 17:13 Wilder could spark aj but fury is too clever for him aj doesn't present nearly enough movement as fury and that could be his downfall

Wilder got clipped big and was in trouble by Spzilka and Ortiz, Joshua is bigger, faster and younger and hits harder than both and wouldn't let him off the hook.

Shhhh wrote: ↑18 Oct 2018, 17:57 Tyson gonna prov you all wrong

Maybe.

Shhhh wrote: ↑18 Oct 2018, 17:57He’s an all time great and will prove it

You’re quite mad.

Shhhh wrote: ↑18 Oct 2018, 17:57 Tyson gonna prov you all wrong, He’s an all time great and will prove it

I've been a huge fan of Fury's for the longest time. And I am not delusional like this.
Fury has very little chance of winning this fight

I think Wilder takes it but I wouldn't underestimate Fury to much. He can be slick and awkward, he is a good boxer. Wilder has had some trouble with far lesser opponents in the past.

I could see Fury grinding a decision out from Wilder.

astradamus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 05:49 Fury is a shot fighter indeed, he would probably have lost against Klitschko in the rematch if Klitschko was simply in his normal state and Fury might still be good enough to beat Wilder anyway, Wilder has never been that good at all, so it should be easy work.

You don't like Fury do ya. Giving him no credit for beating Klit then already getting your reason in for him beating Wilder by saying he's no good . What you gonna say when he stands Joshua on his head, AJ only lost so it sets up a bigger rematch. Come on be reasonable

If he beats Wilder I'll give him props.

I make Wilder slight a slight favourite going in to this.

Shhhh wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:08

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 Oct 2018, 21:48

Shhhh wrote: ↑18 Oct 2018, 17:57 Tyson gonna prov you all wrong, He’s an all time great and will prove it

I've been a huge fan of Fury's for the longest time. And I am not delusional like this.
Fury has very little chance of winning this fight

Seriously? Do u think they will rob him if it goes points?

Honestly no. I do not think either Fury or Wilder have the kind of appeal that will sway judges.
Honestly I just don't see the judges favoring either before the fight...… But on another note. I don't see this going to
the cards.

smiling assassin wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 08:44

astradamus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 05:49 Fury is a shot fighter indeed, he would probably have lost against Klitschko in the rematch if Klitschko was simply in his normal state and Fury might still be good enough to beat Wilder anyway, Wilder has never been that good at all, so it should be easy work.

You don't like Fury do ya. Giving him no credit for beating Klit then already getting your reason in for him beating Wilder by saying he's no good . What you gonna say when he stands Joshua on his head, AJ only lost so it sets up a bigger rematch. Come on be reasonable

It's the exact opposite, he's preparing to not credit wilder when fury gets splattered. He'd rather see wilder lose than a lifetime subscription to Sophia vergeras body.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:28

smiling assassin wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 08:44

astradamus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 05:49 Fury is a shot fighter indeed, he would probably have lost against Klitschko in the rematch if Klitschko was simply in his normal state and Fury might still be good enough to beat Wilder anyway, Wilder has never been that good at all, so it should be easy work.

You don't like Fury do ya. Giving him no credit for beating Klit then already getting your reason in for him beating Wilder by saying he's no good . What you gonna say when he stands Joshua on his head, AJ only lost so it sets up a bigger rematch. Come on be reasonable

It's the exact opposite, he's preparing to not credit wilder when fury gets splattered. He'd rather see wilder lose than a lifetime subscription to Sophia vergeras body.

Damn dude I know you are new here. But i already like you
Keep up the good posts

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:28

smiling assassin wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 08:44

You don't like Fury do ya. Giving him no credit for beating Klit then already getting your reason in for him beating Wilder by saying he's no good . What you gonna say when he stands Joshua on his head, AJ only lost so it sets up a bigger rematch. Come on be reasonable

It's the exact opposite, he's preparing to not credit wilder when fury gets splattered. He'd rather see wilder lose than a lifetime subscription to Sophia vergeras body.

Damn dude I know you are new here. But i already like you
Keep up the good posts

It's saad bro. I just can't keep the same interest in the sport without bickering with you derelicts. I made an account to rate fighters for title bout and merc told me to stick around.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:36

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:28

It's the exact opposite, he's preparing to not credit wilder when fury gets splattered. He'd rather see wilder lose than a lifetime subscription to Sophia vergeras body.

Damn dude I know you are new here. But i already like you
Keep up the good posts

It's saad bro. I just can't keep the same interest in the sport without bickering with you derelicts. I made an account to rate fighters for title bout and merc told me to stick around.

Brother I'm glad to see you back.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:41

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:36

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:31

Damn dude I know you are new here. But i already like you
Keep up the good posts

It's saad bro. I just can't keep the same interest in the sport without bickering with you derelicts. I made an account to rate fighters for title bout and merc told me to stick around.

Brother I'm glad to see you back.

Its a hard one with Fury , theres a couple of trains of thought , When he went and challenged Klitchko and fought in Germany , hhe had no choice Klitchko was the man , and what he said went , if he wanted it that fight would of took place on the north pole , Tyson had reached the pinnacle and really the big one was the only place left , so he had no choice .

Jump forward to present day , Ok he's had his problems sorted them and come back , , Now a while back i would of thought the sensible thing to do would be freeze Wilder out , I would of sat down thought about it and said , the yanks will NEVER let Wilder lose that title in america , so don't go there ,
Knowing the problems with the AJ - Wilder fight , i would of stuck around England , fought and won a few and all the time called Wilder out for a fight in England , sooner or later Wilder is going to have to fight a name , Miller in the USA would'nt be worth the risk , Aj is'nt going there , so with no Tyson , theres not many big money fights left for Wilder , his hand would be forced and he would of had to come to the UK to fight Tyson , Then alls Tyson has to do is not get knocked out and that title was his , and next the big one with AJ , , If Wilder did'nt come , does'nt matter everytime Tyson wins , the fight with AJ for more belts gets bigger .

But Tyson jumping in this soon to go to the states and fight Wilder , has me in two thoughts ,

1--- Tyson is shot he knows it , Frank knows it , and there after the one big payday

2 -- Tyson is doing well in the gym , and truely believes he can pull off another overseas upset , , and it would'nt suprise me if Fury actually believes he can stop Wilder , i think he can definetly outbox him , , and if your throwing punches that miss , they take it out of you , is Fury thinking make him miss for 8-9 rnds then go after him ,

Thing is , ITS TYSON FURY , you just don't know what goes on with him , He was definetly made out of different cloth than the rest of us .

Aj is miles the bigger draw. Interesting dynamic of where it generates more money. If it was ppv here it's a no brainer to have it in Vegas. With the dazn exclusive it's closer. Bigger gate here because y'all would travel. Dazn would get a shit ton of subscriptions here. What do you guys think the ppv drop off over there would be?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:41

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:36

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:31

Damn dude I know you are new here. But i already like you
Keep up the good posts

It's saad bro. I just can't keep the same interest in the sport without bickering with you derelicts. I made an account to rate fighters for title bout and merc told me to stick around.

Brother I'm glad to see you back.

X2

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 19:54 Aj is miles the bigger draw. Interesting dynamic of where it generates more money. If it was ppv here it's a no brainer to have it in Vegas. With the dazn exclusive it's closer. Bigger gate here because y'all would travel. Dazn would get a poo ton of subscriptions here. What do you guys think the ppv drop off over there would be?

AJ might be the biggest draw in boxing at the moment because he has had the entire might of Sky thrown behind him. Sky lost big with BT winning the rights to the Champions League and a big portion of the Premier League - both of which Sky had a monopoly on. They realised boxing is where to invest when Froch became a prizefighter & AJ has been the golden ticket. Wilder just hasn't had the same promotional backing.

Fury is by far the best self-promoter of the 3, maybe even the best in the business on that front. His career has been a farce though if we're being honest.

Aj being that huge is why I think a wilder fight generates more money here. Americans don't watch boxing in the afternoon as much as you guys stay up all night.

Well that's logical. The late nights can be awesome. Hatton vs Mayweather was a brilliant night, around 10 or 11 of us pouted into my mates dad's living room, drinking from around 11pm for a 5am fight then stumbling out the door at 6.

Fury has always had fitness and motivation problems. People forget he was clearly beaten by that fat lump big John McD but the ref gave the win to Fury which brought about having judges for the English title. Fury did win however in the rematch. Klitscho was way past his best when Fury fought him. Fury was on the back foot keeping well out of range of Klitschos jab while picking up points. Had he stood toe to toe with him, he would have been knocked out. I don't think Fury is shot. I just don't think he is World class. Good enough to beat Price but certainly not Wilder or Joshua. He will have to be fast to keep out of danger with Wilder. Klitscho didn't have the speed that Wilder has. Although Wilder is a fighter, I think he is underestimated for his boxing ability, although his defence it has to be said is not the best. Easy win by Wilder IMO, but Wilder v Joshua to me is a 50/50.

fury had been a pro 9 months when he fought mcdermott the first time, and had just turned 21. i dont think ppl forget about that fight as much as they realise the context. he is a world class hw for sure, or at least was

wilder crushes him either way. aj probably beats wilder. those two are far better then pretty much all the contenders out there.

astradamus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 09:42

smiling assassin wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 08:44

astradamus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 05:49 Fury is a shot fighter indeed, he would probably have lost against Klitschko in the rematch if Klitschko was simply in his normal state and Fury might still be good enough to beat Wilder anyway, Wilder has never been that good at all, so it should be easy work.

You don't like Fury do ya. Giving him no credit for beating Klit then already getting your reason in for him beating Wilder by saying he's no good . What you gonna say when he stands Joshua on his head, AJ only lost so it sets up a bigger rematch. Come on be reasonable

I do like him and I do give him credit, somehow he's not in the good shape he used to be and Klitschko would probably have won in the rematch. Klitschko simply showed a terrible performance, can't make much else of it and in the end, he was still only two rounds behind. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Wilder/Fury/AJ make a triangle. I think AJ wins against Fury, Fury wins against Wilder and Wilder got a better chance against AJ compared to against Fury. This is why I'm highly surprised that Wilder wanted to fight Fury, despite Fury is out of shape, because I think Wilder got a better chance against an in shape AJ compared to an in shape Fury.

There seems to be 2 opinions to the klitschko fight. Either you thought Fury made Klitschko look bad or that Klitschko just didn't turn up. I give Fury the credit which I think he deserved. Can see your point in your reasoning that they can all beat each other and I agree with you that Wilder has a better chance against AJ than Fury. I think Wilder thinks he's getting Fury at the best time that's why he's took the fight because if he wins he beat the man who beat the man when all the belts were his.

I thought they both looked horrific. The only enjoyable part was seeing was lose. Fury was so wide open all night for a counter hook when he puts his chin on a golf tee and bends over for that southpaw jab to the body I was nervous the whole time. He still gets credit for a huge win, for some it made him Whitaker.

I think Wlad would have beaten AJ if their rematch had taken place. He’d have watched the film from the first fight and decided it would be wise to hit him whilst he was seeing stars for two rounds. So, really, Wlad should have beaten both by now.

RKY wrote: ↑17 Oct 2018, 07:54 Just got round to watching his last fight.

Slow. Fat. Plodding. Inflated sense of his skillset. He looked like a comic doing impressions of different boxing styles.

3 years out an balllooning up in weight, clearly aged with drugs and lost all his hair. This guy is a shadow of the boxer we seen weave around Klitchko in Hamburg.

I think Fury is going to get flattened by Wilder, but at least he'll make enough money to go back into retirement, probably best he makes it permanent. Or maybe his rivalry with Price will be relevant again.

wilder is a banger , ortiz at 62 years old nearly did a job on him , tyson only fights one fight every 2 years , he will school wilder like a chief

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 15:27 I think Wlad would have beaten AJ if their rematch had taken place. He’d have watched the film from the first fight and decided it would be wise to hit him whilst he was seeing stars for two rounds. So, really, Wlad should have beaten both by now.

That’s the thing - Wlad “coulda” got loads of KOs throughout his career, but didn’t.
Gunshy, mentally weak, too gentle a soul -whatever you call it - Wlad never had that finisher’s spite.
If they’d had a rematch, Wlad woulda floored AJ, then - just when he had him a sitting-duck...?
He wouldn’t pull the trigger - again - he’d let AJ recover and win - again - and people would say, “Wlad coulda had him if he’d really gone for it” AGAIN !
Just his nature.