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Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 22:03
by Ambling Alp II
It wasn't the same thing. Tyson was the floor, out of it. He instinctively tried to put in mouth piece. (Notice how well he got it it.)
Lewis was asked if he could continue. He immediately held up his gloves. He was responding to a question. He was able to do that because unlike Tyson, he was aware of what was going on. If he was totally out of it he would not have done that.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 13:20
by Cojimar 1946
I also find it interesting that Lewis's era is viewed with reverence by many today when at the time that was not the case. Back when he was active the era had numerous critics and certainly the general view was not that it was not a great era. The way people talk about Klitschko's era or the present era is not so very different from the consensus view of Lewis's era at the time.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 13:28
by paddy chavez
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 13:20
I also find it interesting that Lewis's era is viewed with reverence by many today when at the time that was not the case. Back when he was active the era had numerous critics and certainly the general view was not that it was not a great era. The way people talk about Klitschko's era or the present era is not so very different from the consensus view of Lewis's era at the time.
Lewis was considered a pretty safety first fighter the Americans seemed to like him more than Brits did , he came after the excitement of Tyson and was never really loved till near the end
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 14:53
by Ambling Alp II
He isn't view with reverence today. He is considered a great fighter who wasn't perfect. He odes oddly get criticized for things that he should not be and seldom gets criticized that he should. Probably a wash in the end.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 17:42
by Cojimar 1946
Opinion of him pretty clearly shifted since he retired. I find myself skeptical of those who bash the current era and exalt the 90s given how poorly the era was thought of back then. If anything I would say people today have a more positive view of the current heavyweight scene than people did back in the 90s.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 18:56
by fanman
there are 3 super-heavy, undefeated champs right now. that's pretty unique.
i guess lewis & bowe were in a similar situation & even more talented arguably.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 19:02
by Onetimeonly
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 17:42
Opinion of him pretty clearly shifted since he retired. I find myself skeptical of those who bash the current era and exalt the 90s given how poorly the era was thought of back then. If anything I would say people today have a more positive view of the current heavyweight scene than people did back in the 90s.
Lol, it was, and is, known as a great era. Just because fighters were criticized doesn't mean people thought those fighters were bums.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 19:38
by Cojimar 1946
Many people, probably even the majority did not see Lewis as great while he was active and certainly most did not see the era as great at the time.
The idea that it was a great era seems to have started in the 2000s and probably reached its peak around 2010 though now the era is starting to lose ground.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 20:32
by Onetimeonly
Yes they did. You're just making stuff up.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 21:55
by Cojimar 1946
Who did? Maybe you did but most did not.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 21:59
by Cojimar 1946
In America Lennox Lewis did not start to gain widespread respect until late in his career. For example most American publications picked him to lose to Andrew Golota.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 22:02
by Onetimeonly
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2018, 21:55
Who did? Maybe you did but most did not.

Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 22:06
by Cojimar 1946
We at EBM have no trouble admitting when we blow a prediction. We were extremely confident that the Andrew Golota who clearly dominated both Riddick Bowe bouts would take out the weak-chinned Lennox Lewis. And we weren't alone:
"Golota will force Lewis into his kind of a fight, and his power will be the determining factor in the bout." - Dave Bontempo, ESPN Boxing Analyst
"Golota is an underrated fighter who doesn't get enough credit. He will have leaned his lessons from the Bowe fights and will finish off Lewis." - Anthony Gargano, New York Post
"Golota in two rounds - no contest. I think Lewis talks, but can't back it up with the the walk. Golota will absolutely be too much for him." - Dan Hirshberg, The Trentonian
"Golota will put too much pressure on Lewis, who will make the mistake of slugging it out with him." - Steve Sneddon, Gannet News Service
"It'll be close through four, and then Golota hits and hurts Lewis in the fifth with a booming right. He then proceeds to wear Lewis down for a ninth-round win." - Chris Thorne, Newark Star-Ledger
"Golota will turn the fight into a war. he can take a short. I'm not sure that Lewis can. Lewis will try to keep his distance but won't be able to for long." - Robert Seltzer, El Paso Times.
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/gollewis.htm
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 22:08
by Onetimeonly
You're actually backing up the fact that it was a highly regarded era in real time.. Anyway, no trolls for me. You have fun kid.
Re: Prime George Foreman vs Luis Ortiz
Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 22:24
by Cojimar 1946
I'm certainly not getting that impression. Can you point to articles from that time period that refer to the era as great, golden, one of the best ever, something of that nature?
Many people today see the 90s as the best heavyweight era ever, even better than the 70s, are there many, if any, references from the 90s suggesting it was better than the 70s?