Fury not ready enough for Wilder?

[Onetimeonly]

You gotta give Gil a pass on this one. He hates Fury with a passion and finds it impossible to be logical and objective about anything "Gipsy King"related.

He is generally very knowledgeable and not given to making stupid comments but I guess we ll have our blind-spots.

You hate wilder more than he hates fury. At least he's honest about it.

Why would you say that?!

Slim despises wilder. Thinks wilder set up povetkin, runs the wbc, fears whyte, is only fighting fury because Tyson isn't ready, no credit for Ortiz, etc...

[oogiebe]

You hate wilder more than he hates fury. At least he's honest about it.

Why would you say that?!

Slim despises wilder. Thinks wilder set up povetkin, runs the wbc, fears whyte, is only fighting fury because Tyson isn't ready, no credit for Ortiz, etc...

Oh is that all! So many posters hate Wilder and argue relevant points such as ticket sales! LMAO!

[Onetimeonly]

Why would you say that?!

Slim despises wilder. Thinks wilder set up povetkin, runs the wbc, fears whyte, is only fighting fury because Tyson isn't ready, no credit for Ortiz, etc...

Oh is that all! So many posters hate Wilder and argue relevant points such as ticket sales! LMAO!

He's one of the worst.

[KiwiRider]

You gotta give Gil a pass on this one. He hates Fury with a passion and finds it impossible to be logical and objective about anything "Gipsy King"related.

He is generally very knowledgeable and not given to making stupid comments but I guess we ll have our blind-spots.

Yep. I always give Gil a pass on anything Fury related. Something about Tyson Fury grinds his gears, and that's fine. I get it.

'Something about Tyson Fury grinds his gears,' Could it possibly be any of the following?

Colossal amount of prefight boasting and promises time and time again but only delivering a huge lack of subsequent action. Playing the hard man when you're almost 7 foot tall, yet entering the ring with only 1 forward gear and 3 for reverse.

Avoided the Klitschko rematch at all costs. I bet Wlad would even agree to do it again now.

A controversial end to the drug test failure. Attempted to imply blackmail threats against UKAD.

Using mental health issues as a ready made excuse for his poor behaviour.

Many fighters, like the rest of us, have suffered from personal problems but prefer to address them privately. There are even rumours surrounding Wladimir's lacklustre performance against Fury himself, but so far Wlad has stoically kept his silence.
To make matters worse most, if not all of Fury's subsequent problems seem to have been self-inflicted.

A diabolical role model and ambassador for the sport that's made him a very wealthy man.

Continually playing the poor persecuted victim when challenged without once acknowledging his own shoddy behaviour towards fellow professional fighters.

Apart from that it's good to see him back in the ring, keeping busy, hopefully helping Deontay Wilder sharpen up for his showdown with Anthony Joshua next year.

That pretty much covers it. Maybe add his social media posts and homophobic rants?
Anyway, good work

[ironbeard]

Yep. I always give Gil a pass on anything Fury related. Something about Tyson Fury grinds his gears, and that's fine. I get it.

'Something about Tyson Fury grinds his gears,' Could it possibly be any of the following?

Colossal amount of prefight boasting and promises time and time again but only delivering a huge lack of subsequent action. Playing the hard man when you're almost 7 foot tall, yet entering the ring with only 1 forward gear and 3 for reverse.

Avoided the Klitschko rematch at all costs. I bet Wlad would even agree to do it again now.

A controversial end to the drug test failure. Attempted to imply blackmail threats against UKAD.

Using mental health issues as a ready made excuse for his poor behaviour.

Many fighters, like the rest of us, have suffered from personal problems but prefer to address them privately. There are even rumours surrounding Wladimir's lacklustre performance against Fury himself, but so far Wlad has stoically kept his silence.
To make matters worse most, if not all of Fury's subsequent problems seem to have been self-inflicted.

A diabolical role model and ambassador for the sport that's made him a very wealthy man.

Continually playing the poor persecuted victim when challenged without once acknowledging his own shoddy behaviour towards fellow professional fighters.

Apart from that it's good to see him back in the ring, keeping busy, hopefully helping Deontay Wilder sharpen up for his showdown with Anthony Joshua next year.

That pretty much covers it. Maybe add his social media posts and homophobic rants?
Anyway, good work

x2

Doubt anyone could say it better than that.

[candyslim]

You hate wilder more than he hates fury. At least he's honest about it.

Why would you say that?!

Slim despises wilder. Thinks wilder set up povetkin, runs the wbc, fears whyte, is only fighting fury because Tyson isn't ready, no credit for Ortiz, etc...

Despises is a very strong word, but I'm more indignant that you should accuse me of dishonesty. Am I dishonest with regard to my feelings about Wilder?. I don't think so, certainly not intentionally. I will wholeheartedly admit to being ambivalent about him, I might go so far as to say conflicted ...

I cannot bear to listen to him. His claims about being the best in the world and how he'd have beaten Mike Tyson etc do tend to stick in my throat. I don't find loudmouth braggarts appealing but I'll forgive them if they walk the walk. Yes I think he's an asshole with little class. Is it his fault? Probably not. Just because he's known to millions of fight-fans across the world doesn't mean he should be expected to be something he isn't.

Do I think he is overprotected? Without a doubt. His resume isn't bad at all were he just another contender, but he's been champion for four years and in that context his resume is very poor. I do believe his signature wins over Ortiz and I expect, Fury, were opponents selected on the basis of maximum kudos versus lowest risk. Ortiz because of his age and unimpressive recent outings, Fury because of his well documented troubles and inevitable unreadiness to face someone of Wilder's quality.

I gave and still give him massive credit for his win over Ortiz. He showed a champion's heart and an ability to withstand big punches and a sustained beating. I believe a younger Ortiz would have finished him though.

Do I think he fears Whyte?. Not personally, no but I do think those responsible for guiding his career believe Whyte is too big a risk. This is why they have consistently declined offers of twice what Wilder ever earned before. For the record I believe Wilder beats Whyte but it is a big risk for him.

Do I believe there was ever an intention that Wilder would defend his title in Moscow? I don't think so. Povetkin took a pretty innocuous substance which was perfectly legal and above board until the WBC decided it wasn't. They much later admitted it could not be determined whether Povetkin ingested Meldonium after the date it was banned. The fight was called off exactly one week before. Was Wilder in Moscow attending press conferences, giving interviews, generally getting acclimatized? No he was in Sheffield, England. When was intending to go to Russia? Did he have flight tickets? Did he have accomodation booked?

I keep reading bullshit about how I think Wilder runs the WBC. Of course he doesn't but he benefits greatly from the fact that Sulaiman dances to Al Haymon's tune. Dillian Whyte has shown his phone has a message from Wilder telling him, that he won't get a title shot for two years. Only the WBC can decide who Wilder faces and when, so either this is nonsense or it confirms that Haymon is pulling the strings. Given the shenanigans over the appointment of Breazeale as mandatory challenger, and the fact the mandatory hasn't even been called yet ... Gentlemen, place your bets.

I think that covers all the negatives. On the credit side I love to watch Wilder in the ring possibly more than anyone else.. I believe he is, despite technical deficiencies, one of the most effective heavyweight fighters in the world. He is extremely dangerous from start to finish, he is I believe the hardest puncher currently active in boxing. He just might be the hardest puncher of all-time but we can never know that so that is perhaps a pointless suggestion.

I desperately want him to fight Anthony Joshua which leaves me even more conflicted about the Fury fight, because on the one hand I really want Fury to win, there again if he does that makes Joshua v Wilder less likely and less meaningful.

One thing I can promise you. If Deontay announced that he was quitting the sport as of now because of his continuing problems with his hands, I would be as desperately upset as pretty much anyone on this forum. Although I don't much care for him as a man and I consider the WBC belt to have been held hostage, I do think the heavyweight scene would be far less exciting without Wilder and I am very happy that he is part of it.

That concludes the case for the defence. I leave it you to judge my guilt or innocence of the charges levelled against me by our learned friend.

[Onetimeonly]

Yikes, I don't do novels slim. Got any cliff notes?

[candyslim]

I tried to keep it short ... ish but failed miserably

[Onetimeonly]

No worries. I prefer your unbiased work anyway, anything not about wilder.

[candyslim]

You don’t think that having accused me of dishonesty that you could at least consider the points I raised in my defence?. I appreciate it’s long but It’ll take a fraction of the time to read it than it took me to type it. It was your comment that provoked it after all.

I had hoped to have explained that any bias I have is not born out of malice but a considered reaction to what I see, both good and bad. You’ve made several snarky comments without ever having attempted to pick apart what I’ve said and explain why I’m wrong. Does this not raise questions about your own bias which can be positive or negative?

I could even question your honesty but I feel that Impugning someone’s integrity should be saved for things which are far more serious than their opinion of a sportsman ... don’t you?

[ironbeard]

You don’t think that having accused me of dishonesty that you could at least consider the points I raised in my defence?. I appreciate it’s long but It’ll take a fraction of the time to read it than it took me to type it. It was your comment that provoked it after all.

I had hoped to have explained that any bias I have is not born out of malice but a considered reaction to what I see, both good and bad. You’ve made several snarky comments without ever having attempted to pick apart what I’ve said and explain why I’m wrong. Does this not raise questions about your own bias which can be positive or negative?

I could even question your honesty but I feel that Impugning someone’s integrity should be saved for things which are far more serious than their opinion of a sportsman ... don’t you?

You are swerving into Homi country with that great wall of words.

[Onetimeonly]

You don’t think that having accused me of dishonesty that you could at least consider the points I raised in my defence?. I appreciate it’s long but It’ll take a fraction of the time to read it than it took me to type it. It was your comment that provoked it after all.

I had hoped to have explained that any bias I have is not born out of malice but a considered reaction to what I see, both good and bad. You’ve made several snarky comments without ever having attempted to pick apart what I’ve said and explain why I’m wrong. Does this not raise questions about your own bias which can be positive or negative?

I could even question your honesty but I feel that Impugning someone’s integrity should be saved for things which are far more serious than their opinion of a sportsman ... don’t you?

Its not personal, I'll never read something that long on a message board. I'm sorry you wasted your time. At least I let you know so you won't in the future. Feel free to question anything you want, I promise it won't drag a million words out of me.

[candyslim]

I can tell you what I think in just a few words. Telling you why I think what I think takes a lot longer.

It was a long one but I'm not sure if that was my longest, and I'm damn sure that wasn't even close to the forum record.

Anyway if you can't be arsed to read my full explanation fair enough, but at least have the good grace in future to accept that my attitude toward Wilder is kind of love/hate, and leave it at that. .

[Onetimeonly]

That I can't do, I've read too much to the contrary. The love is the dishonest stuff you preface your hate with.

[candyslim]

You've got a f***ing nerve when you can't even read the points I've made never mind argue them. Still, never let the facts stop you arriving at your chosen conclusion, eh?

[ninetypercent]

Remember candyslim, people who wrestle pigs get covered in mud.
No I don't think Fury is as ready as he could be. Yes I do think he will eventually get caught flush and that will be the end. Saying that I have bought this fight and will be hoping each and every round that Fury survives the round and wins it on points. Wilder has devastating power but is crude as they come so nothing to admire there.

[Enlightened-One]

This fight could play out like a slow-motion version of Herol ‘Bomber’ Graham’s shocking KO loss to Julian ‘The Hawk’ Jackson, which means the bout might not end as prematurely, meaning that the duration is likely to venture past six rounds, but the narrative and also the outcome of the contest could be eerily similar in nature.

I’d like to be proven wrong about my prediction, because a victory of Fury would be a fantastic conclusion to his fascinating comeback story and it may be sufficient for him to earn him a place on the Hall-of-Fame ballot when he retires, though probably not enough to be actually inducted into the IBHoF. So I’ll be cheering for the British underdog this weekend.

That being said, I won’t be overly upset if Wilder does what he’s expected to do either, because when he’s not trash talking, he comes across as a decent guy and I’d like to see him eventually share the ring with Anthony Joshua at some point during 2019.

[Onetimeonly]

You've got a f***ing nerve when you can't even read the points I've made never mind argue them. Still, never let the facts stop you arriving at your chosen conclusion, eh?

The facts are that you hate wilder to a ridiculous degree. You have no problem calling Gil on fury hate but can't deal with the mirror. And no, slim, I'll never read a word of that bs novel that no doubt is you once again trying to cover your bias with roses.

[ironbeard]

Sweetskinny be triggered

[candyslim]

Thanks for that very timely reminder 90%. I'm done wrestling for the moment. I'm going to clean up

Sadly not in a financial sense

[Onetimeonly]

Apologizing to Gil for your hypocritical attack would be a good first step in your recovery.

[candyslim]

How was that an attack?. I was speaking up for him. I'm sure Gil wouldn't have a problem with what I said, but if he did he'd get a full apology from me because I was not having a go at him.

You're quite the stirring little sh1t aren't you?

[Onetimeonly]

[candyslim]

Very eloquent. Gil is just one of a good many posters on this forum whom I respect irrespective of whether we agree on a particular issue or not.

If you ever start contributing something to a discussion rather than just dropping in spiteful little one-liners then you might even join them, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Onetimeonly]

Very eloquent. Gil is just one of a good many posters on this forum whom I respect irrespective of whether we agree on a particular issue or not.

If you ever start contributing something to a discussion rather than just dropping in spiteful little one-liners then you might even join them, but I'm not holding my breath.

The respect of a biased hypocrite isn't high on my to do list. Thanks anyway.