Fight by Fight: Tyson Fury

[gilgamesh]

Personally I think he's waiting it out for Usyk. It's a fight I think he knows he cannot ignore because it's most likely that Joshua will not succeed in the rematch unless he catches the Ukrainian early.

It's certainly a winnable fight for Fury, but Usyk will certainly be the best person on paper that Fury will have ever fought. No question really about that.

Yeah I've been seeing AJ's trainer say their plan in the rematch with Usyk is to outwork him and wear him out. That's just plain stupid.

It does not make much sense. I wonder what they are thinking

Unless it's a trick, and they're saying 1 strategy while intending to employ another. It's straight up stupid.

Hell it'd be stupid to actually say what your strategy is too for that matter, but it's even dumber when the strategy is a bad idea on the face of it.

[HomicideHenry]

Update (as of October 2022)

Oleksandr Usyk, following his victory over Anthony Joshua in their rematch, publicly stated that he would not be ready to face Tyson Fury until spring of 2023.

This prompted Fury to issue a challenge to Anthony Joshua for a December matchup which seemed to be all systems go but all evidence seems to support that Joshua was promoter Eddie Hearn prevented it from happening.

Tyson Fury has publicly stated that he is open to challenges from the likes of Andy Ruiz, Luis Ortiz, Dereck Chisora, and others. As of this writing there is nothing set in stone or concrete although among the rumor mill Andy Ruiz seems to be at the top of the list considering he defeated Luis Ortiz and is presumably locked in to face the Wilder-Helenius winner for the number one contender spot for the WBC title.

[margaret thatcher]

Update

Fury says he needs to be paid half a billion dollars to fight usyk

A third fight with Chisora now being rumoured

[HomicideHenry]

Update

Fury says he needs to be paid half a billion dollars to fight usyk

A third fight with Chisora now being rumoured

I think the £500 million talk was largely banter. Of course it would be a fight worth quite a bit of money especially when you figure Fury offered team Joshua basically $105 million, and that was a 60/40 split, so clearly the Usyk fight would be worth more. Regardless, it's out there for anyone to see that team Usyk said that they would not be ready until April of 2023 and considering Fury's last fight was in April 2022, it would make absolutely no sense to wait an entire year. Fury has got to stay active.

As for Chisora, I really hope it doesn't happen. No sense in it. If Fury was to engage with Chisora or Charr, it ought to strictly be an exhibition or non-title fight. Neither men are deserving of an actual title shot. Personally I don't mind exhibitions or non-title fights, because after all I saw plenty of them growing up with people like Roberto Duran having unimportant contests in between title defenses.

[Cap]

Unfortunately, for Mr Fury, there are no such things as non-title fights in the heavyweight division. A title-holder must be ready to defend his claim in every fight. Real boxing fans live in hope of a true champion rising up through the ranks to put an end to the buffoonery that is Tyson Fury.

[HomicideHenry]

Unfortunately, for Mr Fury, there are no such things as non-title fights in the heavyweight division. A title-holder must be ready to defend his claim in every fight. Real boxing fans live in hope of a true champion rising up through the ranks to put an end to the buffoonery that is Tyson Fury.

Well it's comments like that that I just can't take seriously at all. Now someone can make an argument that technically if you are the lineal champion every single fight you have the title is on the line, so to speak, but aside from the lineal title there is such a thing as non-title fights and has been non-title fights in the heavyweight division historically.

Define "real boxing fans" to me. I guess the only ones who qualify in your book are the ones who are Tyson Fury haters, hmm? I truly do not get your rationale.

[HomicideHenry]

A fight nobody wants, but certainly will not upset the apple cart in terms of staging the undisputed championship fight with Usyk. Chisora trilogy with Fury is all systems go.

[HomicideHenry]

Not unexpectedly Tyson Fury once again wins over Dereck Chisora stopping him in the 10th round after pretty much a one-sided performance although it seems from this viewer's perspective that the WBC and lineal heavyweight champion was pulling back throughout the contest.



Following the match Tyson Fury has a face to face confrontation with unified heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk as well as a face to face confrontation with Joe Joyce. It seems that the British public would rather see Tyson Fury face Joe Joyce than the "midget" as Fury calls him.

[margaret thatcher]

where did the british public vote joe joyce as their desired opponent over a fight for the undisputed hw champ?

funnily enough, fury just fought a guy 2 inches shorter than the supposed midget, and has twice been dropped by guys the same height

[HomicideHenry]

where did the british public vote joe joyce as their desired opponent over a fight for the undisputed hw champ?

funnily enough, fury just fought a guy 2 inches shorter than the supposed midget, and has twice been dropped by guys the same height

The crowd cheered far louder over the prospect of Joyce than Usyk. Furthermore, being dropped means nothing. Usyk has never been a hard puncher, it's always been an accumulation of shots for him throughout his career. Lastly, there's a difference between natural 220-230 pound men and guys who were originally middleweights and bulked up over time. Usyk is naturally a small man who bulked up over time.

[margaret thatcher]

didnt hear it

former 6'3 cruiser steve cunn (13 stoppages in 40 fights) and 6'3 neven p (5 stop in 18 fights) weren't anything close to punchers either my man, quite something for multiple light punching midgets to drop fury and for big tyson to have just fought a super midget. a bit rich for him to throw around the midget nonsense

[gilgamesh]

where did the british public vote joe joyce as their desired opponent over a fight for the undisputed hw champ?

funnily enough, fury just fought a guy 2 inches shorter than the supposed midget, and has twice been dropped by guys the same height

The crowd cheered far louder over the prospect of Joyce than Usyk. Furthermore, being dropped means nothing. Usyk has never been a hard puncher, it's always been an accumulation of shots for him throughout his career. Lastly, there's a difference between natural 220-230 pound men and guys who were originally middleweights and bulked up over time. Usyk is naturally a small man who bulked up over time.

Usyk is also a better fighter than Fury, and would beat him.

[Wee Tommy]

where did the british public vote joe joyce as their desired opponent over a fight for the undisputed hw champ?

funnily enough, fury just fought a guy 2 inches shorter than the supposed midget, and has twice been dropped by guys the same height

Didn’t you know? Henri posted about wanting to come to the UK and now actually is the British public. Keep up man.

[Wee Tommy]

where did the british public vote joe joyce as their desired opponent over a fight for the undisputed hw champ?

funnily enough, fury just fought a guy 2 inches shorter than the supposed midget, and has twice been dropped by guys the same height

The crowd cheered far louder over the prospect of Joyce than Usyk. Furthermore, being dropped means nothing. Usyk has never been a hard puncher, it's always been an accumulation of shots for him throughout his career. Lastly, there's a difference between natural 220-230 pound men and guys who were originally middleweights and bulked up over time. Usyk is naturally a small man who bulked up over time.

When are you arriving in the UK, Hanky?

[Ambling Alp II]

Thanks to this thread I now know that Fury beat Chisora. Had not heard a word about this. With this victory over this legendary opponent, is there anything more for Fury to prove?

[HomicideHenry]

Thanks to this thread I now know that Fury beat Chisora. Had not heard a word about this. With this victory over this legendary opponent, is there anything more for Fury to prove?

I update this thread from time to time strictly because it's easier to write down history as it happens than to do retrospectives. As for your last comment, one is quite aware that you don't like this era of heavyweights and particularly did not like the fact when so many on the forum told you that the likes of Ezzard Charles could never have beaten Tyson Fury.

I've already said it many times on different sections of the forum that this is a fight that should have never went down as a title match and would have been better off as an exhibition; and had it been an exhibition I still would have included it on the thread as I have done with other similar threads I have made breaking down the careers of ex-heavyweight champions.

That being said it seems that Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk will most likely fight each other somewhere between February or March or April of 2023 and we will finally have the undisputed championship provided that the IBF or some other organization doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the situation by taking one of the titles away for whatever stupid reason they sometimes do.

If for whatever reason the match does not happen it seems that Joe Joyce will be the best possible substitute that Tyson Fury could ever face, and furthermore in the post-fight press conference Tyson Fury made a comment of a potential fourth fight with Deontay Wilder as well.

So potentially you have a 2023 that might very well be the following matches: Fury-Usyk, Fury-Usyk rematch, Fury-Joyce, and Fury-Wilder 4. And there is always the possibility that we might also see Anthony Joshua in the mix since there is talk of Anthony Joshua facing Deontay Wilder so the winner of that may very well face Tyson Fury for the WBC title anyways.

I think if Fury is able to defeat the Ukrainian all of this hate and nonsense towards Fury saying that he could not have defeated the likes of Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield or Muhammad Ali basically goes out the window since there is almost a universal agreement that Usyk is basically in the same caliber and stratosphere as all of those all-time great cruiserweights and smaller heavyweights fitting his dimensions.

[margaret thatcher]

is basically just a thread for homi to jizz to big tyson, fair play, he started his own thread for it rather than polluting another thread

[HomicideHenry]

is basically just a thread for homi to jizz to big tyson, fair play, he started his own thread for it rather than polluting another thread

I've also did similar threads for George Foreman and Roberto Duran and Lennox Lewis and the Klitschko brothers among others.

[coneye]

didnt hear it

former 6'3 cruiser steve cunn (13 stoppages in 40 fights) and 6'3 neven p (5 stop in 18 fights) weren't anything close to punchers either my man, quite something for multiple light punching midgets to drop fury and for big tyson to have just fought a super midget. a bit rich for him to throw around the midget nonsense

All true it is a bit rich is'nt it
Tyson is good against the bigger men simply because he knows his distance and is faster ,, a smaller faster man , who knows his distance , can if he knows how make it difficult for a fighter making him punch down therfore losing a bit of distance ,, Don't think Henry quite grasps that 2 inch foot movement can give you 6-8 inches of reach , and USYK certainly does he's a master at it , called footwork

[HomicideHenry]

The midget talk is warranted considering that the unified heavyweight champion of the world lost to Shawn Porter in the amateurs. Tyson Fury always was a large man even in the amateurs in the super heavyweight class, while Usyk has been as low as 75 kilograms.

People are talking as if the Ukrainian is just going to run right through Tyson Fury when the man did not even run through Anthony Joshua who has more than a suspect chin. People are talking as if the Ukrainian is just going to duck and dodge all of Tyson Fury's punches and is just going to score without any problems when the Ukrainian had a pretty marked up face against Joshua and AJ never did land a lot of shots.

People are talking as if Tyson Fury suddenly became a stationary object himself and lost every bit of his boxing brain and has no speed with his hands anymore. People are talking as if the Ukrainian is unbeatable when he looked like dog crap against Chisora.

I'm not going to say Fury is just going to absolutely demolish the Ukrainian or anything like that, but boxrec has got to be the most fickle place in all of boxing websites when it comes to their so-called posters because the only thing consistent with boxrec forum posters is that they are consistently haters, consistently negative, and consistently finding themselves proven wrong.

Fury is right, no matter how many times he wins and no matter who he beats it's always discredited and downplayed by people. Or worse people suddenly become die hard fans of the man once he becomes undisputed champion, where they will say he finally proved himself to be the man of his era when the truth is he has been the lineal champion ever since Vladimir Klitschko.

He always was the consensus man to beat but nobody wanted to believe it because they always wanted Anthony Joshua or somebody else to be the champion because they hated Tyson Fury for whatever reasons it was they hated the man for.

[gilgamesh]

At this point I don't think too many Boxing fans really hate Fury. He's obviously good for the sport. Good at self marketing, talks a lot of sh*t which may be annoying to the hardcore fan who follows everything, but is attention getting, and fun for the casual sports fan which is who Fury attracts with his bombastic personality.

Has anyone suggest that Usyk would beat Fury easily? That would be outrageous if so.

I certainly don't think ANYBODY is gonna be beating Fury easily, but that being said. I certainly don't think he's unbeatable, and if anybody at Heavyweight can beat him. It's Usyk.

Everybody that Fury has fought so far just about, he's had more technical skill than them. He will not have that advantage over Usyk. He will have the height, the weight, the power, and he'll have such a tremendous advantage in those 3 assets that it will make it an incredible challenge for Usyk to overcome.

If they fought. Fury would be the betting favorite. Rightfully so. Stand the 2 fighters side by side, and everyone is gonna say "Well geez, Goliath over there is gonna smash David"

But that's what they said about Goliath too ain't it?

Usyk has all the skills to beat Fury. Fury has all the physical assets to beat Usyk. What wins out?

This is an intriguing matchup.

My money would be on Usyk.

[Ambling Alp II]

Thanks to this thread I now know that Fury beat Chisora. Had not heard a word about this. With this victory over this legendary opponent, is there anything more for Fury to prove?

I update this thread from time to time strictly because it's easier to write down history as it happens than to do retrospectives. As for your last comment, one is quite aware that you don't like this era of heavyweights and particularly did not like the fact when so many on the forum told you that the likes of Ezzard Charles could never have beaten Tyson Fury.

I've already said it many times on different sections of the forum that this is a fight that should have never went down as a title match and would have been better off as an exhibition; and had it been an exhibition I still would have included it on the thread as I have done with other similar threads I have made breaking down the careers of ex-heavyweight champions.

That being said it seems that Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk will most likely fight each other somewhere between February or March or April of 2023 and we will finally have the undisputed championship provided that the IBF or some other organization doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the situation by taking one of the titles away for whatever stupid reason they sometimes do.

If for whatever reason the match does not happen it seems that Joe Joyce will be the best possible substitute that Tyson Fury could ever face, and furthermore in the post-fight press conference Tyson Fury made a comment of a potential fourth fight with Deontay Wilder as well.

So potentially you have a 2023 that might very well be the following matches: Fury-Usyk, Fury-Usyk rematch, Fury-Joyce, and Fury-Wilder 4. And there is always the possibility that we might also see Anthony Joshua in the mix since there is talk of Anthony Joshua facing Deontay Wilder so the winner of that may very well face Tyson Fury for the WBC title anyways.

I think if Fury is able to defeat the Ukrainian all of this hate and nonsense towards Fury saying that he could not have defeated the likes of Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield or Muhammad Ali basically goes out the window since there is almost a universal agreement that Usyk is basically in the same caliber and stratosphere as all of those all-time great cruiserweights and smaller heavyweights fitting his dimensions.

If he beat Usyk that means he would have beaten Holyfield or even Ali? That would a no.

Fury-Usyk, Fury-Usyk rematch, Fury-Joyce, and Fury-Wilder 4 are not all going to happen in one year. We would be lucky if he fights one of them.
Nobody wants to see fight Wilder again. That would prove nothing.
Joyce? I guess you are trying to build him up for some reason. He has done nothing yet and a win over him would not mean anything. At all.
A win over Usyk would mean something. Saying it means he would beat one of the legends if just plain stupid.

[gilgamesh]

I wouldn't say beating Joyce would mean nothing, but I think Joyce needs to be a little more firmly established before he gets a title fight personally. He's on his way though.

Fury vs Wilder 4 would be pointless yes, and I don't look for Fury to ever have 3 fights in a year ever again. Let alone 4.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong on this because I think all guys should fight more frequently personally, but I'm not wrong.

We'll be lucky if Fury fights any of those 4 fights next year though. He may fight Charr or Luis Ortiz just as likely as he may fight any of the 4 Homi mentioned.

He's not exactly a guy that jumps at challenges. He takes 'em on sometimes, but spends a lot more time dancing around 'em.

[HomicideHenry]

I beg to differ Alp, when so many people are already saying that the Ukrainian is the greatest Cruiserweight of all time ahead of Evander Holyfield. The man is physically bigger, albeit by an inch and ten or so pounds, than Muhammad Ali was so I figure if Fury beats Usyk who relies heavily on foot movement and speed then it gives more credibility to the argument that Tyson Fury could have defeated somebody like Muhammad Ali who relied heavily on foot movement and speed also.

I'm more than aware it's highly unlikely there would be four major fights in one year out of any champion regardless of weight class these days, but I reckon in that 2023-2024 time frame we could get all of those fights or some combination of them along with someone like Andy Ruiz thrown into the mix.

Wilder 4 would only make any sense if Wilder fought Joshua and defeated Joshua. There are some rumors floating about that Joshua and Wilder may meet each other in the ring since Wilder seems to have very little interest in facing Andy Ruiz in a wbc number one contenders match.

In a perfect world Fury beats Usyk and defeats him in a rematch, then faces Joshua, then he retires after matches with Ruiz or Joyce. But as we all know boxing is not so cut and dry but I'm happy it seems all systems are a go for the undisputed heavyweight title fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk.

If Fury beats Usyk, one could make an argument that he doesn't need fights with Joshua or anyone else after that point considering the Ukrainian already defeated Joshua as did Andy Ruiz. So it would kind of be a foregone conclusion to assume that Fury would beat him as well.

True one could bring up the fact that just because fighter A defeated fighter B doesn't mean that he can beat fighter C because fighter C lost to fighters A and B, kind of like the game of musical chairs between Ali and Foreman and Frazier or Hagler and Duran and Hearns and Leonard.

But considering this is a division that is not as deep as the 1990s or the 1970s I think it's a safe assumption that if Tyson Fury defeats the Ukrainian most likely he would defeat Joshua as well especially when you consider Joshua has already lost before three times.

[gilgamesh]

If Fury sticks to his word from his recent interviews he'll be fighting for a while to come, and he may well wind up facing all those guys before it's all said and done.

Of course his word changes with the seasons.

You have somewhat of a point with the Usyk/Ali size comparison, but stylistically they're not very similar.

I will say this though. I'd already pick Tyson Fury to beat Mike Tyson in a hypothetical dream match. Mike Tyson always struggled with tall guys, and the ones that beat him weren't as good as Fury.

So basically Mike Tyson would have a puncher's chance against Fury, but otherwise he'd lose most rounds and drop a UD.

Also I think Wilder and his team may be smart enough to know that Anthony Joshua is a much SAFER fight for them than Andy Ruiz. A bigger one too.

Wilder vs AJ is the biggest Heavyweight fight that can be made that doesn't involve Fury.

And for the record I'm not saying Wilder is ducking Andy Ruiz or anything either. It's just, he's under no obligation to fight him, and why would he take him on instead of AJ when AJ is more beatable and a bigger money fight.

Ruiz obviously has a lot of flaws, but he's tough as sh*t, and if Wilder can't knock him out. Which I think is a strong possibility. He can't outbox him either.