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Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 14:58
by jamamb
lol ya, because he managed a draw getting dropped twice over 12 rounds? like you wouldve had ward doing vs kov? do you extend the same 5 kd and still wins treatment to ward in the us? do you think sam peter got badly robbed with 3 kds vs wlad?

am i excited? i dont know, excitments not necessarily a bad thing anyway :yay:

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 15:38
by guysecretan
If the rematch happens Wilder is more likely to hurt him remember Fury only just got up from that second knockdown. Why would he want to fight him again and risk losing his belt when he can become unified champion if he beats AJ ( unlikely but not impossible).

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 15:53
by Bullza
ironbeard wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 13:11
Bullza wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:55
ironbeard wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:08
:lol: “Wilder won’t take the risk again?” That’s rich. Fury is VERY unlikely to risk getting knocked clean out again any time soon.
Everyone already knows Wilder lost that fight. Fury isn't even at his best. Wilder would never take that risk a second time.
What risk? Fury poses far less risk than AJ, Ortiz, or even Povetkin.
He beat Ortiz though even then they had to cheat to make sure he did. He won't ever fight Fury again after practically losing the other day.

He might fight Joshua for the money and that's about it otherwise he'll stick with the soft touches that's he's had for the other 39 fights.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 16:47
by ironbeard
jamamb wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 14:58 lol ya, because he managed a draw getting dropped twice over 12 rounds? like you wouldve had ward doing vs kov? do you extend the same 5 kd and still wins treatment to ward in the us? do you think sam peter got badly robbed with 3 kds vs wlad?

am i excited? i dont know, excitments not necessarily a bad thing anyway :yay:
As I already mentioned, I had Ward winning the first fight by a single point. Depending on the round it would have happened, I would have had it either a draw or a Kovalev win if there had been a second KD.

In this fight, if there had been no KDs, and Fury won the two rounds that they happened in, which was entirely possible, I would have had it a draw, instead of 116-110.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 16:49
by oogiebe
ironbeard wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 16:47
jamamb wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 14:58 lol ya, because he managed a draw getting dropped twice over 12 rounds? like you wouldve had ward doing vs kov? do you extend the same 5 kd and still wins treatment to ward in the us? do you think sam peter got badly robbed with 3 kds vs wlad?

am i excited? i dont know, excitments not necessarily a bad thing anyway :yay:
As I already mentioned, I had Ward winning the first fight by a single point. Depending on the round it would have happened, I would have had it either a draw or a Kovalev win if there had been a second KD.

In this fight, if there had been no KDs, and Fury won the two rounds that they happened in, which was entirely possible, I would have had it a draw, instead of 116-110.
Dude, you are really taking it on all sides! Respect your position and your scoring whether or not I agree. Carry on!

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 16:55
by jamamb
ya, so fighters get dropped and can still win or draw, happens all the time and 2 kds can certanly be balanced out in a 12 rounder

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 16:58
by ironbeard
jamamb wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 16:55 ya, so fighters get dropped and can still win or draw, happens all the time and 2 kds can certanly be balanced out in a 12 rounder
Obviously, it happened on Saturday. I do not agree with it but that is what the judges saw, which is all that matters.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 16:58
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 16:55 ya, so fighters get dropped and can still win or draw, happens all the time and 2 kds can certanly be balanced out in a 12 rounder
Holmes Shavers comes to mind. I saw Holmes' eyes roll and he came back unbelievably from that KD.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 17:03
by ironbeard
Bullza wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 15:53
ironbeard wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 13:11
Bullza wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:55

Everyone already knows Wilder lost that fight. Fury isn't even at his best. Wilder would never take that risk a second time.
What risk? Fury poses far less risk than AJ, Ortiz, or even Povetkin.
He beat Ortiz though even then they had to cheat to make sure he did. He won't ever fight Fury again after practically losing the other day.

He might fight Joshua for the money and that's about it otherwise he'll stick with the soft touches that's he's had for the other 39 fights.
Biased much?

I believe that Wilder would be more than happy to take a rematch with Fury down the line. I am not convinced that Fury would be as happy to take the rematch.

I certainly could be wrong.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 08:51
by Bullza
ironbeard wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 17:03 Biased much?

I believe that Wilder would be more than happy to take a rematch with Fury down the line. I am not convinced that Fury would be as happy to take the rematch.

I certainly could be wrong.
What bias? He almost got beat by old man Ortiz. They halted the start of Round 8 to buy Wilder some much needed time that should never have been allowed.

He obviously lost that fight to Fury. Yes he got two knockdowns but it is clear to almost everyone that Fury won that fight.

This was a prime Wilder and a flabbergasted inactive Fury and Fury won that fight. Any rematch with Fury being less rusty, being more in shape and being in the UK would not suit Wilder at all. Wilder should have lost the first time he wouldn't chance it again.

The man looked amateurish.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 08:52
by Oiky
Hopefully fury gets his aj fight :TU:

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 12:50
by DrDuke
Oiky wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 08:52 Hopefully fury gets his aj fight :TU:
A good option and seemingly far more easier to make, than AJ-Wilder, but for the current moment that fight doesn't look possible. Whyte-Chisora winner is apparently up next for AJ. Them two are with Hearn and Fury had some hostile negotiation history with Eddie. However, money matter the most and AJ-Fury fight can be far more profitable, than AJ vs Whyte/Chisora.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 13:29
by ironbeard
Bullza wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 08:51
ironbeard wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 17:03 Biased much?

I believe that Wilder would be more than happy to take a rematch with Fury down the line. I am not convinced that Fury would be as happy to take the rematch.

I certainly could be wrong.
What bias? He almost got beat by old man Ortiz. They halted the start of Round 8 to buy Wilder some much needed time that should never have been allowed.

He obviously lost that fight to Fury. Yes he got two knockdowns but it is clear to almost everyone that Fury won that fight.

This was a prime Wilder and a flabbergasted inactive Fury and Fury won that fight. Any rematch with Fury being less rusty, being more in shape and being in the UK would not suit Wilder at all. Wilder should have lost the first time he wouldn't chance it again.

The man looked amateurish.
:lol: :clap: Thank you for confirming your bias.

If they rematch, it would quite possibly end by way of Wilder poleax in the 13th or 14th round. Team Fury is well aware of that distinct possibility. :OhYes:

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:34
by Bullza
ironbeard wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 13:29
Bullza wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 08:51
ironbeard wrote: 03 Dec 2018, 17:03 Biased much?

I believe that Wilder would be more than happy to take a rematch with Fury down the line. I am not convinced that Fury would be as happy to take the rematch.

I certainly could be wrong.
What bias? He almost got beat by old man Ortiz. They halted the start of Round 8 to buy Wilder some much needed time that should never have been allowed.

He obviously lost that fight to Fury. Yes he got two knockdowns but it is clear to almost everyone that Fury won that fight.

This was a prime Wilder and a flabbergasted inactive Fury and Fury won that fight. Any rematch with Fury being less rusty, being more in shape and being in the UK would not suit Wilder at all. Wilder should have lost the first time he wouldn't chance it again.

The man looked amateurish.
:lol: :clap: Thank you for confirming your bias.

If they rematch, it would quite possibly end by way of Wilder poleax in the 13th or 14th round. Team Fury is well aware of that distinct possibility. :OhYes:
There is no if. After the humiliation which he had the first time, so bad in fact that now Wilder is pathetically making excuses like he broke his arm, he will keep far away from ever fighting him again.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 17:57
by ironbeard
Bullza wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 17:34
ironbeard wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 13:29
Bullza wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 08:51

What bias? He almost got beat by old man Ortiz. They halted the start of Round 8 to buy Wilder some much needed time that should never have been allowed.

He obviously lost that fight to Fury. Yes he got two knockdowns but it is clear to almost everyone that Fury won that fight.

This was a prime Wilder and a flabbergasted inactive Fury and Fury won that fight. Any rematch with Fury being less rusty, being more in shape and being in the UK would not suit Wilder at all. Wilder should have lost the first time he wouldn't chance it again.

The man looked amateurish.
:lol: :clap: Thank you for confirming your bias.

If they rematch, it would quite possibly end by way of Wilder poleax in the 13th or 14th round. Team Fury is well aware of that distinct possibility. :OhYes:
There is no if. After the humiliation which he had the first time, so bad in fact that now Wilder is pathetically making excuses like he broke his arm, he will keep far away from ever fighting him again.
:lol: Wilder and Fury will likely meet again. I acknowledge that it is possible that they will not rematch though for a number of reasons.

See how that works?

Every one of your last few posts are clear evidence of your bias. :OhYes:

Carry on.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 18:41
by ewenhay
ironbeard wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 17:57
Bullza wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 17:34
ironbeard wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 13:29
:lol: :clap: Thank you for confirming your bias.

If they rematch, it would quite possibly end by way of Wilder poleax in the 13th or 14th round. Team Fury is well aware of that distinct possibility. :OhYes:
There is no if. After the humiliation which he had the first time, so bad in fact that now Wilder is pathetically making excuses like he broke his arm, he will keep far away from ever fighting him again.
:lol: Wilder and Fury will likely meet again. I acknowledge that it is possible that they will not rematch though for a number of reasons.

See how that works?

Every one of your last few posts are clear evidence of your bias. :OhYes:

Carry on.
Laughing at people and throwing out insults over multiple threads is not a good look.

You're getting pretty boring very quickly.

But you're enjoying yourself so that's all that matters to you

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 19:07
by ironbeard
ewenhay wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 18:41
ironbeard wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 17:57
Bullza wrote: 04 Dec 2018, 17:34

There is no if. After the humiliation which he had the first time, so bad in fact that now Wilder is pathetically making excuses like he broke his arm, he will keep far away from ever fighting him again.
:lol: Wilder and Fury will likely meet again. I acknowledge that it is possible that they will not rematch though for a number of reasons.

See how that works?

Every one of your last few posts are clear evidence of your bias. :OhYes:

Carry on.
Laughing at people and throwing out insults over multiple threads is not a good look.

You're getting pretty boring very quickly.

But you're enjoying yourself so that's all that matters to you
I am enjoying myself, and I insult those who are insulting.

I am fine with anyone’s score of this fight. I will not tolerate those who offend anyone and everyone who do not see things their way.

You may attempt to reason with them, but you are wasting your time, and you do them no favors. I tell them who and what they are directly.

It is quite possible that they have never had to face the truth about themselves in their entire lives.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 19:04
by Mexi-Box
skanksta wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:50 I think they'll both thoroughly enjoy freezing AJ for out a bit - and why not ? :-P

AJ is The Golden Child and Fast Eddie has been snarkily cussing their marketability while low-balling opponents. Now these two have put on a great show - which I think we'd all watch again ( ? ) and reveled in the whole "we're the best 2" schtick. And for once the main HW fight people want to see doesn't involve AJ.
They'll love letting him stew...
Hey, you were right that they could freeze out AJ. Not bad PPV buy-rate, and the rematch will be bigger. Yup, you were right here.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 19:18
by jamamb
300k good but hardly some massive blockbuster. ajs still the biggest fight for either so will be interesting if anything gets done toward a fight with him

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 19:20
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 19:18 300k good but hardly some massive blockbuster. ajs still the biggest fight for either so will be interesting if anything gets done toward a fight with him
The more time that AJ avoids either Fury or Wilder, the less of a big fight it will become. The attention is already more on a Wilder/Fury Rematch then an AJ/Whyte or anyone else.

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 19:22
by jamamb
aj-pov was more lucrative then fury-wilder, hes still the money man, i cant imagine that fury-wilder wouldnt easily get a career best payday vs him rather then each other

Re: is a wilder vs fury rematch pretty much certain?

Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 19:26
by Mexi-Box
jamamb wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 19:18 300k good but hardly some massive blockbuster. ajs still the biggest fight for either so will be interesting if anything gets done toward a fight with him
They have a huge upside for rematching, though. I think the rematch will be bigger. 500K is definitely worth it in terms of money with the PPV prices being crazy expensive in the US. Hell, it might even do more than 500K. I mean I've been seeing highlights on the knockdown. Casuals are hyped now.

I don't remember how much I was expecting when they took a poll, but going into the night of the fight, I wasn't expecting anything over 200K. Seems people watch when it's HW's fighting (American that is).