WildWaylon wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 18:33
When Tyson Fury fought big John McDermott the first time, he clearly lost, but he accepted the win given to him by the ref. There was trouble over it and from that point on there has had to be be three judges for English title fights. Fury claims he has never been beaten but in his heart he knows he has. Boxing scores are not an exact science and refs often do help fighters out. Having now watched the 12th round KD a few times, its amazing to me why the ref let the fight continue. Furys head hit the canvas with quite a thud.
Excellent refereeing
Cost me over 300 quid as i had bets on Wilder by KO but it was excellent by the ref, he didn't shit the bed, even at 6 Fury hadn't moved at all but the ref kept going.
I'm glad he did because Fury beat the count by the skin of his teeth then miraculously fired off the better shots in the remainder of the round.
It's just talk mate. AJ is the boss, make no mistake.
I agree. The Wilder fight was his choice. He chose not to fight him.
Stop talking bollocks man.
Ok pal.
Joshua named his price and it was met.
Did AJ (the boss) take the fight in your world?
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 05:11
by keithmoonhangover
The offer was nonsense. It would have meant fighting on BT. AJ os under contract to SKY. That would be like Harry Kane playing a game for Arsenal. It was an offer Finkel knew could not be accepted.
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 05:23
by mickey1975
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 05:11
The offer was nonsense. It would have meant fighting on BT. AJ os under contract to SKY. That would be like Harry Kane playing a game for Arsenal. It was an offer Finkel knew could not be accepted.
Could have boxed on both. He didn’t want it. Face it.
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 05:11
The offer was nonsense. It would have meant fighting on BT. AJ os under contract to SKY. That would be like Harry Kane playing a game for Arsenal. It was an offer Finkel knew could not be accepted.
Could have boxed on both. He didn’t want it. Face it.
The offer was for BT, not SKY. He's under contract with SKY.
Remember when Fury wouldn't fight David Price,? It's a bit like that.
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 05:11
The offer was nonsense. It would have meant fighting on BT. AJ os under contract to SKY. That would be like Harry Kane playing a game for Arsenal. It was an offer Finkel knew could not be accepted.
Could have boxed on both. He didn’t want it. Face it.
No way the top brass at BT and Sky would have allowed it to happen.
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 07:54
by Dixonian
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:07
I'll say the same thing I've said for the last year.
AJ knocks Wilder out early doors.
Fury beats Joshua on points in a close fight.
Agree completely. I think AJ's counterpunching is underrated and I could see him counterring Wilder's right hand to devastating effect. But I think Fury could beat him in a messy close fight.
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:07
I'll say the same thing I've said for the last year.
AJ knocks Wilder out early doors.
Fury beats Joshua on points in a close fight.
Agree completely. I think AJ's counterpunching is underrated and I could see him counterring Wilder's right hand to devastating effect. But I think Fury could beat him in a messy close fight.
That said, I wouldn't bet any money on Fury beating AJ.. AJ has an awful lot going for him in that fight. I was really impressed by the way Joshua found a way to beat Povetkin.
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 08:50
by WildWaylon
WildWaylon wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 18:33
When Tyson Fury fought big John McDermott the first time, he clearly lost, but he accepted the win given to him by the ref. There was trouble over it and from that point on there has had to be be three judges for English title fights. Fury claims he has never been beaten but in his heart he knows he has. Boxing scores are not an exact science and refs often do help fighters out. Having now watched the 12th round KD a few times, its amazing to me why the ref let the fight continue. Furys head hit the canvas with quite a thud.
Fury is beefing about being robbed, but several years ago now, he was quite happy to accept the decision in a fight he quite definitely lost. He needs to shut up and be grateful the ref didn't wave the fight off when he hit the canvas. OK he did recover but the ref didn't know that and neither did anyone else. He could have been seriously injured. Seems to me those who are pro Fury and the man himself are unwilling to accept he came very close to losing, so he should think himself lucky that he got a draw.
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 08:56
by coneye
If Wilder with his wild swings can hit Fury , i've no doubt AJ who is getting better all the time will land , difference is AJ will finish better . Wilder for me is a bigger risk to AJ , he actually boxes better than i though him and AJ is simple whoever lands first
WildWaylon wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 18:33
When Tyson Fury fought big John McDermott the first time, he clearly lost, but he accepted the win given to him by the ref. There was trouble over it and from that point on there has had to be be three judges for English title fights. Fury claims he has never been beaten but in his heart he knows he has. Boxing scores are not an exact science and refs often do help fighters out. Having now watched the 12th round KD a few times, its amazing to me why the ref let the fight continue. Furys head hit the canvas with quite a thud.
Fury is beefing about being robbed, but several years ago now, he was quite happy to accept the decision in a fight he quite definitely lost. He needs to shut up and be grateful the ref didn't wave the fight off when he hit the canvas. OK he did recover but the ref didn't know that and neither did anyone else. He could have been seriously injured. Seems to me those who are pro Fury and the man himself are unwilling to accept he came very close to losing, so he should think himself lucky that he got a draw.
Fury should be grateful that the ref administered a proper count? I don’t see why, that’s the ref’s job. We’re just so used to seeing terrible referees in the UK that we seem to have forgotten how it’s done.
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:23
by rhino222
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:48
Joshua's artillery is just better than Wilder's. He has more layers to his game, would put punches together and eventually stop a game Fury. Wilder just threw single shots last night, loading up from the third row and still almost stopped Fury.
I've changed my mind in that I think Fury would last longer vs AJ than I thought he would before last night, He would win a few rounds before being stopped.
but look how povetkin had Joshua 'dipping'...... and it wasnt the biggest of hits, imagine if Wilder landed on AJ's chin.
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:48
Joshua's artillery is just better than Wilder's. He has more layers to his game, would put punches together and eventually stop a game Fury. Wilder just threw single shots last night, loading up from the third row and still almost stopped Fury.
I've changed my mind in that I think Fury would last longer vs AJ than I thought he would before last night, He would win a few rounds before being stopped.
but look how povetkin had Joshua 'dipping'...... and it wasnt the biggest of hits, imagine if Wilder landed on AJ's chin.
Yep, Wilder has the exact same skills and timing as Povektin. Great point
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:54
by Covfefe
I think Fury is a much harder fight for AJ than Wilder, I actually think Fury is all wrong for him.
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 10:55
by Coco
Covfefe wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 10:54
I think Fury is a much harder fight for AJ than Wilder, I actually think Fury is all wrong for him.
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:48
Joshua's artillery is just better than Wilder's. He has more layers to his game, would put punches together and eventually stop a game Fury. Wilder just threw single shots last night, loading up from the third row and still almost stopped Fury.
I've changed my mind in that I think Fury would last longer vs AJ than I thought he would before last night, He would win a few rounds before being stopped.
but look how povetkin had Joshua 'dipping'...... and it wasnt the biggest of hits, imagine if Wilder landed on AJ's chin.
Yep, Wilder has the exact same skills and timing as Povektin. Great point
I look forward to Wilder's concentrated body attack backed up by extreme head movement out of a crouch when he fights AJ.
Joking aside, Fury's performance (which was actually not quite as good as I expected from him) has some otherwise sane people talking bollocks... Which, I suppose, they all were before the fight as well ("Fury'll get done inside five rounds etc etc etc").
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 13:50
by skanksta
Manc_Red wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:45
Heayweight division no matter what you think of the result last night is looking very healthy.
Wilder aint a great boxer but those bombs got him out of jail.
Fury goes up in my estimation massively for taking those bombs and somehow bordering on a miracle gets up.
So refreshing
It's a very exciting division with a lot of very good fighters with bizarre flaws that don't fit there body shapes
AJ - Olympic Adonis, but strangely Bruno-stiff and plodding.
Fury - huge, uncoordinated giant, but with delightful 'purist' style and no power.
Wilder - Spindly sub 220lber, but with dynamite power.
All odd, then you have the top prospect Joe Joyce
Joyce - A slow golem in treacle, but an Olympic medalist that can do gymastic backflips ?!
You could almost play Heavyweight Rock-Paper-Scissors with that lot !
Manc_Red wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:45
Heayweight division no matter what you think of the result last night is looking very healthy.
Wilder aint a great boxer but those bombs got him out of jail.
Fury goes up in my estimation massively for taking those bombs and somehow bordering on a miracle gets up.
So refreshing
It's a very exciting division with a lot of very good fighters with bizarre flaws that don't fit there body shapes
AJ - Olympic Adonis, but strangely Bruno-stiff and plodding.
Fury - huge, uncoordinated giant, but with delightful 'purist' style and no power.
Wilder - Spindly sub 220lber, but with dynamite power.
All odd, then you have the top prospect Joe Joyce
Joyce - A slow golem in treacle, but an Olympic medalist that can do gymastic backflips ?!
You could almost play Heavyweight Rock-Paper-Scissors with that lot !
add Chisora, Whyte, Ortiz and Usyk to that mix.......and its looking good
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 17:02
by handsofstone
Joshua would at least work the jab in as opposed to constantly cocking the right ready to unload, Joshua can be a slow starter these days we seen how Povetkin was able to outbox him and he struggled to get him into a rythym against Takam, Fury would start off in control i'd imagine, Joshua would press as the fight wore on with a lot more intelligence than Wilder though, its a great match up, Joshua's recouperitve powers have looked solid so far as well
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 17:09
by handsofstone
Interesting listening to this fella Brin on last night Boxing Asylum Podcast who was in Wilder's camp, his name escapes me, some pretty shocking claims, quite amateurish by the sounds o things and I don't think he rates Breland , go to 23:40
Re: after last night......
Posted: 03 Dec 2018, 17:12
by sharpei_louis
After last night I think Joshua beats Fury by stoppage no doubt about that, Fury just does not have anywhere near enough power to keep AJ off, whose pressure is far more effective than wild swinging that Wilder brings. Fury boxes well but gets caught every fight, doesn't have anything like enough in his shots to stop Joshua throwing caution to the wind at some stage.
I think Joshua beats Wilder, but there is a very real chance Wilder catches AJ early and knocks him out.
I thought Fury won last night but that's how I see it!
Re: after last night......
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 01:19
by Grilling Machine
sharpei_louis wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 17:12Fury boxes well but gets caught every fight, doesn't have anything like enough in his shots to stop Joshua throwing caution to the wind at some stage.
I think Joshua beats Wilder, but there is a very real chance Wilder catches AJ early and knocks him out.
I think that Fury can outbox Joshua, but he'll never win a decision unless it's clear as day, and he's not nearly as great as that. Only a handful in history were. If he wants to win on points he'll have to throw more than he'd like to, and then Joshua can get to him. If he stays mobile it could be another Hughie versus Parker and Pulev, else it might be a Graham-Jackson.
Agreed about AJ-Wilder. Wilder spins between dangerous and fragile on a dime. Joshua should have too much, but if Wilder lands early then it's probably over.
Re: after last night......
Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 01:50
by SticknMove
Fury has unorthodox skills that will give Joshua too many problems. Unless Joshua can bang him out I think the Gypsy King will manoeuvre a points decision.
