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I can guarantee if Whyte came to Vegas he would get a career high payday and Wilder would be forced take a pay cut cause that's not a PPV worthy fight.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:32 I can guarantee if Whyte came to Vegas he would get a career high payday and Wilder would be forced take a pay cut cause that's not a PPV worthy fight.

Exactly right and a reason why Wilder isn't fighting him.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:32 I can guarantee if Whyte came to Vegas he would get a career high payday and Wilder would be forced take a pay cut cause that's not a PPV worthy fight.

That’s not a valid reason.

The majority of Wilder’s bouts weren’t PPV’s.

Dillian Whyte has actually headlined more PPV’s than Wilder.

Even if Wilder’s commercial worth has grown very recently, it doesn’t explain the reason why Deontay previously chose to take smaller paydays rather than accept a career-high purse to face Whyte.

If you believe otherwise, let me know, because I can barrage you with the actual numbers, since I’ve already had this debate on numerous occasions.

We already had this debate last year and you ignored the facts:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=222994&p=4956073&h ... h#p4956073

Dont worry I have a feeling Dillion will be fighting in the US often after he gets a back dated ban by UKAD.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:45 Dont worry I have a feeling Dillion will be fighting in the US often after he gets a back dated ban by UKAD.

We already had this debate with you last year and you ignored the facts:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=222994&p=4956073&h ... h#p4956073

I thought you lacked knowledge and was simply expressing an uneducated opinion, but it seems you’re just plain WRONG, because you already knew about Wilder rejecting a career-high payday to face Whyte, since this is one of your actual posts:

marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Jul 2018, 16:59 Wilder rejected career high money in an attempt to make the Joshua fight happen as soon as possible. He even offered to fight Whyte if Joshua was guaranteed after and that was rejected by Hearn.

I managed to silence you back then and it seems I’ve just repeated the same feat just now.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:17

Has Dan Rafael released his source for this. Because although he is chief writer at ESPN, without a source it is just his opinion.

Now you might want to take his opinion at face value. But given it serves ESPN's best interests to promote Wilder ahead of the rematch with Fury...
Remember the ESPN article that tried to suggest Wilder was the biggest name in heavyweight boxing based on Google searches...

What are his sources?

Finkel wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:55

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:17

Has Dan Rafael released his source for this. Because although he is chief writer at ESPN, without a source it is just his opinion.

Now you might want to take his opinion at face value. But given it serves ESPN's best interests to promote Wilder ahead of the rematch with Fury...
Remember the ESPN article that tried to suggest Wilder was the biggest name in heavyweight boxing based on Google searches...

What are his sources?

Do you have an alternative source on the purses and guarantees?

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:03

Finkel wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 22:55

Has Dan Rafael released his source for this. Because although he is chief writer at ESPN, without a source it is just his opinion.

Now you might want to take his opinion at face value. But given it serves ESPN's best interests to promote Wilder ahead of the rematch with Fury...
Remember the ESPN article that tried to suggest Wilder was the biggest name in heavyweight boxing based on Google searches...

What are his sources?

Do you have an alternative source on the purses and guarantees?

Did you read the bit about the NSAC’s figures? They’re accessible to the media.

By the way, you do realise that the same person, marvellous marv, who you’ve been cheerleading his posts, actually conceded that Deontay Wilder has openly admitted to rejecting career-high money to face Dillian Whyte?

What do you think about that? Do you still support his posts even though they oppose your opinions on the matter?

The purse is the flat fee to each fighter before the fight. The additional money comes later from PPV revenue.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:13 The purse is the flat fee to each fighter before the fight. The additional money comes later from PPV revenue.

Your words about Wilder’s refusal to face Whyte.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Jul 2018, 16:59 Wilder rejected career high money...

I believe it happened on two occasions.

As I'm not the one making claims about fight purses larger than the one's officially reported, I don't really need to prove that he isn't earning $20m

Heck it may be true that he is earning $20m, I certainly don't know.

But this is basically a circle jerk by the media. All the other articles reporting this are using this tweet as a source.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/d ... take-home/

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/11/23/ ... -7-million

The Athletic makes a similar claim "according to sources"

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/ ... sn9y4yrha7

Basically the source for this is Dan Rafael's tweet

Literally no one in America cares about this fight being made. Dillion was being used as a pawn to protect Joshua.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:20 Literally no one in America cares about this fight being made. Dillion was being used as a pawn to protect Joshua.

And yet...

marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Jul 2018, 16:59 Wilder rejected career high money...

on multiple occasions to face Dillian Whyte.

Wilder and Whyte were/are both network and promotional free agents, but Deontay rejected multiple career-high paydays, because he didn’t want to face the Brit.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:20 Literally no one in America cares about this fight being made. Dillion was being used as a pawn to protect Joshua.

That is very true. AJ wanted no part of Wilder so Hearn said wilder would have to fight Dill first. I really don't care about whyte or how much a fighter makes. It's all irrelevent to the level of the fighter. These forums are filled with bantering about who is the bigger PPV draw as if it makes a diff who the better fighter is. Wilder by early and utter knockout in this one, if it ever happens.

At this point no cares about Joshua vs Wilder either cause it wont happen unless Joshua loses December 7 and works his way up the rankings again.

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:26

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:20 Literally no one in America cares about this fight being made. Dillion was being used as a pawn to protect Joshua.

That is very true. AJ wanted no part of Wilder so Hearn said wilder would have to fight Dill first. I really don't care about whyte or how much a fighter makes. It's all irrelevent to the level of the fighter. These forums are filled with bantering about who is the bigger PPV draw as if it makes a diff who the better fighter is. Wilder by early and utter knockout in this one, if it ever happens.

And yet...

marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Jul 2018, 16:59 Wilder rejected career high money...

on multiple occasions to face Dillian Whyte.

Wilder and Whyte were/are both network and promotional free agents, but Deontay rejected multiple career-high paydays, because he didn’t want to face the Brit (who also happens to be the long-term highest ranked contender for the WBC world heavyweight title).

50 million for Joshua was career high money too and they turned it down.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:03
Do you have an alternative source on the purses and guarantees?

Did you read the bit about the NSAC’s figures? They’re accessible to the media.

By the way, you do realise that the same person, marvellous marv, who you’ve been cheerleading his posts, actually conceded that Deontay Wilder has openly admitted to rejecting career-high money to face Dillian Whyte?

What do you think about that? Do you still support his posts even though they oppose your opinions on the matter?

He's saying all the right things now. He's come to his senses obviously. LOL! A man has the right to change his view, besides he may have been right at the time. Doesn't mean that fighting Whyte was the best thing for Wilder at the time. He wanted AJ, not whyte.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:30 50 million for Joshua was career high money too and they turned it down.

Is this a debating tactic?

Change the topic under discussion if you can no longer defend your original argument?

Is that known as a “red herring” dishonest debating tactic, since we’re actually discussing Wilder’s reasoning for rejecting career-high payday opportunities on multiple occasions because he didn’t want to face Dillian Whyte?

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:31

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:05
Did you read the bit about the NSAC’s figures? They’re accessible to the media.

By the way, you do realise that the same person, marvellous marv, who you’ve been cheerleading his posts, actually conceded that Deontay Wilder has openly admitted to rejecting career-high money to face Dillian Whyte?

What do you think about that? Do you still support his posts even though they oppose your opinions on the matter?

He's saying all the right things now. He's come to his senses obviously. LOL! A man has the right to change his view, besides he may have been right at the time. Doesn't mean that fighting Whyte was the best thing for Wilder at the time. He wanted AJ, not whyte.

So you’re basically conceding that the original point I made was correct and that there was no logical reason to explain Wilder’s previous refusal to accept career-high money on multiple occasions to defend his title against a promotional and network free against like Dillian Whyte?

If so, why bother to argue in the first place?

Wilder definitely made the right decision. He wanted the Joshua fight straightaway. Dillion shouldn't have turned down the Joshua rematch, he would probably be champ today.

This forum is weird.

People argue against the claims made in one of my posts, even though they themselves previously made precisely the same claims in other threads!

They then instantly change the entire reasoning behind their argument after being reminded of their very own words!

Unbelievable, but funny!

Let’s not forget that...

marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Jul 2018, 16:59 Wilder rejected career high money...

on multiple occasions because he didn’t want to face Dillian Whyte.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:36

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:31

He's saying all the right things now. He's come to his senses obviously. LOL! A man has the right to change his view, besides he may have been right at the time. Doesn't mean that fighting Whyte was the best thing for Wilder at the time. He wanted AJ, not whyte.

So you’re basically conceding that the original point I made was correct and that there was no logical reason to explain Wilder’s previous refusal to accept career-high money on multiple occasions to defend his title against a promotional and network free against like Dillian Whyte?

If so, why bother to argue in the first place?

I concede nothing. Except that none of this matters much to me. What it matters to you is of unknown origin.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 23:53 This forum is weird.

People argue against the claims made in one of my posts, even though they themselves previously made precisely the same claims in other threads!

They then instantly change the entire reasoning behind their argument after being reminded of their very own words!

Unbelievable, but funny!

Whom are you talking to? Or are you thinking out loud?

Oh, and by the way, Deontay Wilder loses to Dillian Whyte.

There’s no logical reason that explains why ‘The Bronze Bomber’ has rejected multiple career-high paydays to defend his title against someone like Dillian Whyte, who also happens to be a promotional and network free agent, unless Team Wilder are fearful of tasting defeat.