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oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:07

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:02

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 20:45
I'm in the US and wouldn't pay $74.95 for it. No way, no how.

so is aj even known in the us,

Nowhere near the status in the UK. But...boxing isn't as popular as it is in the UK, and AJ hasn't yet fought on American soil. He may never get the fame and adoration that Lennox Lewis eventually got, but he can be big in the US, I think. Wilder doesn't have a huge name in the US either!

yea i was thinking that, because if wilder ,a ko king ,heavey weight champ isnt a big name , than cant see aj being heard off , strange how the us seems not to be interested in boxing at the moment , as they loads of great fighters in a lot of the weights

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:07

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:02

so is aj even known in the us,

Nowhere near the status in the UK. But...boxing isn't as popular as it is in the UK, and AJ hasn't yet fought on American soil. He may never get the fame and adoration that Lennox Lewis eventually got, but he can be big in the US, I think. Wilder doesn't have a huge name in the US either!

yea i was thinking that, because if wilder ,a ko king ,heavey weight champ isnt a big name , than cant see aj being heard off , strange how the us seems not to be interested in boxing at the moment , as they loads of great fighters in a lot of the weights

miller would not be known even to casual boxing fans in the uk,

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:17

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:07
Nowhere near the status in the UK. But...boxing isn't as popular as it is in the UK, and AJ hasn't yet fought on American soil. He may never get the fame and adoration that Lennox Lewis eventually got, but he can be big in the US, I think. Wilder doesn't have a huge name in the US either!

yea i was thinking that, because if wilder ,a ko king ,heavey weight champ isnt a big name , than cant see aj being heard off , strange how the us seems not to be interested in boxing at the moment , as they loads of great fighters in a lot of the weights

miller would not be known even to casual boxing fans in the uk,

I'm just getting used to the term "casual fan." Even in the US, Miller is not well known amongst them. My friends have no clue the names of fighters. Some heard of Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder, but most don't. Forget the lower classes.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:26

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:17

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:16

yea i was thinking that, because if wilder ,a ko king ,heavey weight champ isnt a big name , than cant see aj being heard off , strange how the us seems not to be interested in boxing at the moment , as they loads of great fighters in a lot of the weights

miller would not be known even to casual boxing fans in the uk,

I'm just getting used to the term "casual fan." Even in the US, Miller is not well known amongst them. My friends have no clue the names of fighters. Some heard of Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder, but most don't. Forget the lower classes.

same here , mad how aj sells the venues out .the olympics has such a major pull on making a sports star , as i doubt 99% people in the uk ,dosent know who callum smith is

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:37

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:26

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:17

miller would not be known even to casual boxing fans in the uk,

I'm just getting used to the term "casual fan." Even in the US, Miller is not well known amongst them. My friends have no clue the names of fighters. Some heard of Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder, but most don't. Forget the lower classes.

same here , mad how aj sells the venues out .the olympics has such a major pull on making a sports star , as i doubt 99% people in the uk ,dosent know who callum smith is

Smith is awesome and I can't understand how no one knows who he is outside of hard core boxing fans and his friends and family!

Would be a reasonably interesting fight. I wouldn't expect much out of Miller beyond the 5th round, he might have his moments early.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 19:46

RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23 Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.

Lol you’re knowledge of boxing is hilarious

Yes makes me a fortune, big on Rivas KO Jennings last night - another underdog winner. Go buy into some hype, it's all your good for.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 20:14

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 19:36 1 at a time.

Yes, each body names one mandatory at a time. Candy is explaining strategy to avoid having too many mandatories in a row by not fighting Whyte until he is so named, if I'm not mistaken.

I wasn't confused, just letting him know it doesn't work like that. If a guy is #1 with two organization the one whose mandatory is up is the mandatory, the other will drop that fighter or elevate him for winning.

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:07

brilo33 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 21:02

so is aj even known in the us,

Nowhere near the status in the UK. But...boxing isn't as popular as it is in the UK, and AJ hasn't yet fought on American soil. He may never get the fame and adoration that Lennox Lewis eventually got, but he can be big in the US, I think. Wilder doesn't have a huge name in the US either!

yea i was thinking that, because if wilder ,a ko king ,heavey weight champ isnt a big name , than cant see aj being heard off , strange how the us seems not to be interested in boxing at the moment , as they loads of great fighters in a lot of the weights

Boxing is dead here.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 03:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 20:14

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 19:36 1 at a time.

Yes, each body names one mandatory at a time. Candy is explaining strategy to avoid having too many mandatories in a row by not fighting Whyte until he is so named, if I'm not mistaken.

I wasn't confused, just letting him know it doesn't work like that. If a guy is #1 with two organization the one whose mandatory is up is the mandatory, the other will drop that fighter or elevate him for winning.

Thanks guys I'm always happy to be corrected if I've got it wrong.

Having said that it would still make sense to fight Whyte when he's a mandatory, because that gets one of the WBA or WBO off his case for a while, even if you're right about it not being both (and I trust your knowledge more than my own on this)

There again that leaves the question what to do about Wembley. Does Hearn bite the bullet and pay the cancellation fee or does he try to fill it as best he can with a lesser attraction? The clock's a tickin'.

RKY wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 02:38

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 19:46

RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23 Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.

Lol you’re knowledge of boxing is hilarious

Yes makes me a fortune, big on Rivas KO Jennings last night - another underdog winner. Go buy into some hype, it's all your good for.

You won a bet on an average boxer KOing another average boxer. Well done. Some scoop

RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23 Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.

What do you see in miller? He’s going to be sleeping like a big baby after Joshua lands on him.

RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23 Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.

His chin is untested nothing he’s faced suggests he has a granite chin, in my opinion AJ, Wilder, Whyte and Povetkin beat him

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 07:39

RKY wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 02:38

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 19:46

Lol you’re knowledge of boxing is hilarious

Yes makes me a fortune, big on Rivas KO Jennings last night - another underdog winner. Go buy into some hype, it's all your good for.

You won a bet on an average boxer KOing another average boxer. Well done. Some scoop

When fast car sells a hype train, irish Dan buys a first class ticket.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 08:38

RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23 Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.

What do you see in miller? He’s going to be sleeping like a big baby after Joshua lands on him.

The way to beat Joshua is pressure. Someone who is able to absorb some of his shots and put him on the back foot. Not entirely sure about Millers chin but he's a physical speciman, gets his weight behind his punches. If he has a good chin then i think he can put AJ somewhere he doesn't want to be.

I think there is a very good chance that AJ will batter Miller into submission ... however: If it turns out Miller can really soak up punishment (it's a big 'if'' but Miller sure looks like he might) and if he can carry the high punch-volume and stamina he has shown so far, with him up the levels as he takes on by far his toughest test, then RKY could well be right.

It is a massive "what if" but at this moment Miller is potentially - emphasis on "potentially" - Joshua's nemesis, which at least as far as 2019 is concerned, puts him in a very select group of fighters.

Realistically, how many others could you say that about? Wilder - can never write him off, TFury - perhaps, Whyte - outside bet, Ortiz - I think that ship has sailed, Usyk - better chance than most ... now I'm struggling.

RKY wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 09:10

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 08:38

RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23 Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.

What do you see in miller? He’s going to be sleeping like a big baby after Joshua lands on him.

The way to beat Joshua is pressure. Someone who is able to absorb some of his shots and put him on the back foot. Not entirely sure about Millers chin but he's a physical speciman, gets his weight behind his punches. If he has a good chin then i think he can put AJ somewhere he doesn't want to be.

i think millers pretty good by todays standards but i disagree specifically about him getting his weight behind his shots, he throws pushing arm punches for the most part and vs the better opposition hes faced didnt drop any of them, just beat them up on there feet

for him to win hes gonna need to be able to take a bad pounding like the one brewster took against wlad, and then have enough left to capitalize on aj being tired (if he is that tired)

Yes if he ever learns to put 300lb of prime beef behind those shots then better watch out, but I guess there's a trade-off as regards punch-volume.

RKY wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 09:07

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 07:39

RKY wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 02:38

Yes makes me a fortune, big on Rivas KO Jennings last night - another underdog winner. Go buy into some hype, it's all your good for.

You won a bet on an average boxer KOing another average boxer. Well done. Some scoop

When fast car sells a hype train, irish Dan buys a first class ticket.

Nah, I think Fury beats AJ. But you do know Hearn promotes Miller right? So, if you think he's that dangers, then you've bought the 'fast car hype train' hook line

RKY wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 09:10

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 08:38

RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23 Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.

What do you see in miller? He’s going to be sleeping like a big baby after Joshua lands on him.

The way to beat Joshua is pressure. Someone who is able to absorb some of his shots and put him on the back foot. Not entirely sure about Millers chin but he's a physical speciman, gets his weight behind his punches. If he has a good chin then i think he can put AJ somewhere he doesn't want to be.

Last I looked no one has figured out how to beat AJ. It's all good until AJ smashes Miller in the mouth.

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 11:26

RKY wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 09:10

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 08:38

What do you see in miller? He’s going to be sleeping like a big baby after Joshua lands on him.

The way to beat Joshua is pressure. Someone who is able to absorb some of his shots and put him on the back foot. Not entirely sure about Millers chin but he's a physical speciman, gets his weight behind his punches. If he has a good chin then i think he can put AJ somewhere he doesn't want to be.

i think millers pretty good by todays standards but i disagree specifically about him getting his weight behind his shots, he throws pushing arm punches for the most part and vs the better opposition hes faced didnt drop any of them, just beat them up on there feet

for him to win hes gonna need to be able to take a bad pounding like the one brewster took against wlad, and then have enough left to capitalize on aj being tired (if he is that tired)

Agree regarding Miller's punches.
They are arm punches, he has these massive thighs which don't come into it when he throws.
Arm punching has got him this far, and that's all well and good, but his true potential will not shine through until he can utilise his body behind his shots. He batters his opponent, he dosent have the sort of power a guy with his build has.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 15:09

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 11:26

RKY wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 09:10


The way to beat Joshua is pressure. Someone who is able to absorb some of his shots and put him on the back foot. Not entirely sure about Millers chin but he's a physical speciman, gets his weight behind his punches. If he has a good chin then i think he can put AJ somewhere he doesn't want to be.

i think millers pretty good by todays standards but i disagree specifically about him getting his weight behind his shots, he throws pushing arm punches for the most part and vs the better opposition hes faced didnt drop any of them, just beat them up on there feet

for him to win hes gonna need to be able to take a bad pounding like the one brewster took against wlad, and then have enough left to capitalize on aj being tired (if he is that tired)

Agree regarding Miller's punches.
They are arm punches, he has these massive thighs which don't come into it when he throws.
Arm punching has got him this far, and that's all well and good, but his true potential will not shine through until he can utilise his body behind his shots. He batters his opponent, he dosent have the sort of power a guy with his build has.

He may never learn how to get his lower body into his punches. He hasn't had to due to the nature of his opposition and his method of utilizing punch output to, as you put it, batter his foes. His current method would make him take too much punishment from the top three HW's, IMHO. He has no defense except his offense.

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 15:13

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 15:09

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 11:26

i think millers pretty good by todays standards but i disagree specifically about him getting his weight behind his shots, he throws pushing arm punches for the most part and vs the better opposition hes faced didnt drop any of them, just beat them up on there feet

for him to win hes gonna need to be able to take a bad pounding like the one brewster took against wlad, and then have enough left to capitalize on aj being tired (if he is that tired)

Agree regarding Miller's punches.
They are arm punches, he has these massive thighs which don't come into it when he throws.
Arm punching has got him this far, and that's all well and good, but his true potential will not shine through until he can utilise his body behind his shots. He batters his opponent, he dosent have the sort of power a guy with his build has.

He may never learn how to get his lower body into his punches. He hasn't had to due to the nature of his opposition and his method of utilizing punch output to, as you put it, batter his foes. His current method would make him take too much punishment from the top three HW's, IMHO. He has no defense except his offense.

You see it often with kickboxers who go onto boxing. They tend to use their upper torso for punching and keep their feet light and not planted. It works up to a certain level. Ex kickboxers always tend to move well- Miller does too, but they need retraining to throw punches from planted feet using the legs, hips and shoulders to create real power.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 15:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 15:13

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 15:09
Agree regarding Miller's punches.
They are arm punches, he has these massive thighs which don't come into it when he throws.
Arm punching has got him this far, and that's all well and good, but his true potential will not shine through until he can utilise his body behind his shots. He batters his opponent, he dosent have the sort of power a guy with his build has.

He may never learn how to get his lower body into his punches. He hasn't had to due to the nature of his opposition and his method of utilizing punch output to, as you put it, batter his foes. His current method would make him take too much punishment from the top three HW's, IMHO. He has no defense except his offense.

You see it often with kickboxers who go onto boxing. They tend to use their upper torso for punching and keep their feet light and not planted. It works up to a certain level. Ex kickboxers always tend to move well- Miller does too, but they need retraining to throw punches from planted feet using the legs, hips and shoulders to create real power.

Like Vitali! Nice post, learned something!