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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Jan 2019, 04:58

ajwesty13 wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 21:01

You'd be surprised I think filling Wembley with whyte and aj being an all English match up with extra added history of beef wouldn't be that difficult... if fought in the UK i personalily believe it would sell better than the other ones listed.. thats why also I've gone for whyte ...

I believe that a bout between AJ and Whyte would be a big event, but perhaps not as big as many people believe, for a number of reasons:

• The ignorant mainstream masses may find it hard to get excited about Joshua facing an opponent he’s already comfortably beaten (they may be blissfully unaware of Whyte’s improvement over the last few years)
• PPV sales may be cannibalised by the Wilder-Fury rematch that may take place two weeks later
• Hearn stated that the two-fight deal that Joshua signed with Wembley Stadium includes an obligation to sell 15,000 coach packages, with the Matchroom boss claiming that these seats won’t sell, because people aren’t willing to travel by that mode of transport
• The weather in April is usually poor around that time of the year

So, the rematch between Joshua and Whyte could do reasonably well, both in terms of gate receipts and also PPV-wise, but the total revenue the event would generate would probably be not much different to AJ’s last two or three outings.

I think that’s part of the reason why Eddie Hearn yesterday appeared to confirm that AJ will either compete in New York in June or the 13th April Wembley date could be pushed back to May or June (I believe the two-fight deal with that venue related to specific dates, meaning that the coach package stipulation may be renegotiated).

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2019, 02:40
I guess the one that annoys me the most is that Whyte has been made an offer less than his last fight. I suspect that is because if Hearn makes a sensible offer, Whyte will accept and then Wilder and Fury is out of the running.

jamamb wrote: ↑31 Jan 2019, 21:34 i think pulev is made for aj to starch....good jab and stamina,but not much power, chin up, upright

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 20:29 I'm waiting on team Joshua to announce Fees Oquendo as WBA mandatory.
Let's see them spin this as such a dangerous fight

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 09:53 This situation is becoming a farce and I’m also growing weary of all the speculation about AJ’s next opponent.

Based on the latest set of rumours, it seems that Dillian Whyte is now out-of-the-running and even Jarrell Miller appears to be considering declining the Joshua bout, due to Matchroom’s offer being inadequate.

So if we employ the process of elimination, it seems that Eddie Hearn may need to consider initiating negotiations with Kubrat Pulev’s team, since Wilder, Fury, Whyte and possibly Miller have all rejected opportunities to face Anthony Joshua.

At this rate, we may even end up seeing AJ defending his WBA strap against the utterly appalling Fres Ouendo - you think I'm joking, but Gilberto Mendoza's organisation owes the American a title shot!

Eddie Hearn and Team Joshua have fṹckḛd things up for themselves by submitting lowball offers to AJ's big name rivals.

joshj909 wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 11:07

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 09:53 This situation is becoming a farce and I’m also growing weary of all the speculation about AJ’s next opponent.

Based on the latest set of rumours, it seems that Dillian Whyte is now out-of-the-running and even Jarrell Miller appears to be considering declining the Joshua bout, due to Matchroom’s offer being inadequate.

So if we employ the process of elimination, it seems that Eddie Hearn may need to consider initiating negotiations with Kubrat Pulev’s team, since Wilder, Fury, Whyte and possibly Miller have all rejected opportunities to face Anthony Joshua.

At this rate, we may even end up seeing AJ defending his WBA strap against the utterly appalling Fres Ouendo - you think I'm joking, but Gilberto Mendoza's organisation owes the American a title shot!

Eddie Hearn and Team Joshua have fṹckḛd things up for themselves by submitting lowball offers to AJ's big name rivals.

I don't know why they don't take the Pulev fight. He's the only mandatory and Joshua has three belts. Miller would be a voluntary, Whyte might be, depending on whether the WBO enforce it as a mandatory defence after its arranged. If he waits until June to make a voluntary defence, then he won't have long before the IBF and WBO both need their defences and by that time the WBA will need their's defended as well. Risky business in my eyes.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2019, 02:35

Lackeos wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 01:35 Miller, Whyte, and Pulev have all done way beyond enough to earn title shots, and Kownacki is not far behind either. Since Pulev is a legitimately good boxer, and since his prime will probably end soon, I'd like him to get his title shot before his scalp is no longer with anything. Luis Ortiz has not earned a repeat title shot, but he would obviously be a formidable challenger, and doesn't have much time left.

So anyways, I voted for Pulev.

You think Pulev has done 'way beyond enough' to earn a title shot. I'd love you to articulate what exactly.

JohnMcMinn wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 11:36 I'd also enjoy seeing AJ fight five guys in one night, George Foreman-style. How about Bryan, Miller, Oquendo, Charr, and Wallin? That would wipe out a good chunk of the WBA top ten. With that level of opposition, he could probably do it. Come on WBA, make it happen!

Lackeos wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 12:42

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2019, 02:35

Lackeos wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 01:35 Miller, Whyte, and Pulev have all done way beyond enough to earn title shots, and Kownacki is not far behind either. Since Pulev is a legitimately good boxer, and since his prime will probably end soon, I'd like him to get his title shot before his scalp is no longer with anything. Luis Ortiz has not earned a repeat title shot, but he would obviously be a formidable challenger, and doesn't have much time left.

So anyways, I voted for Pulev.

You think Pulev has done 'way beyond enough' to earn a title shot. I'd love you to articulate what exactly.

Apart from already retaining a high rating after his loss to Wlad, he has since then smoked Chisora and Hughie (who were each top 15 and top 20 at the time of fighting), not to mention some much lesser wins against Mo Harris, Sam Peter, and Kevin Johnson. In a post several months ago, I gave the breakdown on what every first-time HW title challenger of the last decade did to earn their first title shot. Speaking from memory, I'm pretty sure that Pulev's wins over Chisora and Hughie trump what was done by at least 80% of other HW title challengers. So Pulev is easily way past the point of needing to earn a second title shot, and really ought to be getting his shot right now.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 05:08

Lackeos wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 12:42

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2019, 02:35

Lackeos wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 01:35 Miller, Whyte, and Pulev have all done way beyond enough to earn title shots, and Kownacki is not far behind either. Since Pulev is a legitimately good boxer, and since his prime will probably end soon, I'd like him to get his title shot before his scalp is no longer with anything. Luis Ortiz has not earned a repeat title shot, but he would obviously be a formidable challenger, and doesn't have much time left.

So anyways, I voted for Pulev.

You think Pulev has done 'way beyond enough' to earn a title shot. I'd love you to articulate what exactly.

Apart from already retaining a high rating after his loss to Wlad, he has since then smoked Chisora and Hughie (who were each top 15 and top 20 at the time of fighting), not to mention some much lesser wins against Mo Harris, Sam Peter, and Kevin Johnson. In a post several months ago, I gave the breakdown on what every first-time HW title challenger of the last decade did to earn their first title shot. Speaking from memory, I'm pretty sure that Pulev's wins over Chisora and Hughie trump what was done by at least 80% of other HW title challengers. So Pulev is easily way past the point of needing to earn a second title shot, and really ought to be getting his shot right now.

Whilst Pulev has managed just one win against a top 20 opponent in the last 5 years, the rest of the division has moved on, thus shifting Pulev into obscurity. You may well get away with sitting on a ranking for 5 years in this sport, but don't sit here pretending to justify it.

The key wins of other title challengers at the time of their first shot (I've left out a few like Briggs and Rahman whose best wins were like decades old):
Luis Ortiz: Jennings, Malik Scott, past-it Tony Thompson, Kayode
Ustinov: past-it David Tua, Monte Barrett
Washington: draw with Mansour, past-it Chambers
Szpilka: Adamek
Duhaupas: MD over Charr
Molina: Tony Grano
Charles Martin: Tom Dallas, pre-prime Dawejko
Takam: Tony Thompson, draw with Mike Perez
Hughie Fury: Andriy Rudenko
Razvan Cojanu: literally nobody
Parker: Takam, Dimitrenko
Ruiz Jr.: Joe Hanks, Tor Hamer, corpse of Liakhovich
Breazeale: Mansour (and mostly because Mansour didn't have a real gum shield)
Anthony Joshua: unproven Dillian Whyte (borderline top 50 at the time), Gary Cornish
Wilder: Malik Scott
Stiverne: Arreola
Lucas Browne: Richard Towers, corpse of James Toney, Andriy Rudenko
Tyson Fury: Chisora, Cunningham, Hammer
Jennings: Mike Perez, Szpilka, Fedosov, past-it Liakhovich
Glazkov: Cunningham (gift), Adamek
Pulev: Tony Thompson, Ustinov, Dimitrenko
Alex Leapai: Denis Boytsov
Chisora: Sam Sexton
Manuel Charr: Taras Bidenko
Odlanier Solis: Ray Austin, Monte Barret
Albert Sosnowski: draw with Pianeta
Francesco Pianeta: past-it Oliver McCall, pre-prime Duhaupas, draw with Sosnowski
Wach: Tye Fields, pre-prime Christian Hammer
Andrzej Wawrzyk: Denis Bakhtov, Devin Vargas
Kevin Johnson: Devin Vargas
Cedric Boswell: past-it Oliver McCall, Roman Greenberg
Povetkin: Chambers, past-it Chris Byrd
Arreola: Jameel McCline, Chazz Witherspoon

kbackup408 wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 07:40 Lost interest in Joshua, his team are too difficult make a deal with wake me up when it is Joshua vs Fury/Wilder fight week, cheers!

candyslim wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 18:06

kbackup408 wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 07:40 Lost interest in Joshua, his team are too difficult make a deal with wake me up when it is Joshua vs Fury/Wilder fight week, cheers!

Too difficult to make a deal with?

Team Joshua have offered 40% to both Wilder and Fury. How much is that $30m?, $40? more than that? Nobody knows but it's probably nearer to ten times than five times what either of them have ever earned in one fight, maybe more than either have earned in their entire ferkin careers.

On what planet is that not a fantastic offer?

Joshua has done all the heavy lifting. He holds the belts, has done the unifying, regenerated interest in the division and single-handedly increased purses for all the top heavyweights.

Now I have been accused of being a Wilder-hater so let's take Dillian Whyte who I'm a massive fan of because of his warrior attitude. Whyte wants 40% same as has been offered to Wilder and Fury. How TF does Dillian work out he's worth 40%, he doesn't have a belt, not even an invisible one like Fury?

It's a question of risk v reward. Dillian will fight anyone and would back himself to beat most of the top ten. He has worked very hard and taken big risks to get a very high rating from all the governing bodies, and establish himself as a UK PPV star in his own right.

He's not scared of Joshua but he knows most good judges are expecting him to lose and there's a reason for that. If he loses to Joshua he stands to lose a lot more than just the fight, which is why he would rather choose the road of less risk less reward. I believe this is the thinking of Wilder and Fury too.

Miller has everything to gain and little to lose which is why he is more financially amenable .

candyslim wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 18:18 Why Oogie has OTO commandeered your computer?

candyslim wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 18:25 Am I wrong though?