Tyson Fury ... Did we underestimate him ?

[SenorPipino]

If Klitschko was able to fight Fury in a rematch, Klitschko would have won. The fight was close with Fury rabbit punching and only had one point deducted by the ref.

I don't think so.

Klitschko's reflexes were on the decline. That's even more noticeable when your fighting a quicker, defensively oriented fighter such as Fury.

A 40 year old Klitschko simply would never be able to pull the trigger fast enough to connect consistently against a slick Fury.

And Fury won by 3 point on 1 card and 5 on another.

Even if you dock him another point or 2, Fury is still the winner.

Klitschko's time had passed. He wouldn't have fared better the second time around.

[ace_bubble]

He was underestimated.
After Wlad's win general consensus was that it was Wlad who lost the fight rather than Fury who one the fit.
No one still considered him a legit heavyweight champion or gave him credit for that victory.

After Wilder's fight he is clearly among top heavyweight's of the world and should have a place among all time greats.

What makes us to underestimate him, is lack of physique which we expect from a great heavyweight boxer and a big punching power. However he makes it up with great ring generalship and IQ. For a big man he really moves very effectively and makes it very hard for anyone to catch. Plus now we know he has a great chin.

Despite of 2 knockdowns against Wilder he could have got the decision had the fight happened on a more neutral ground.

He is a great heavyweight boxer.

[gilgamesh]

I underestimated his heart, and determination. I still don't think I've underestimated his ability by much, and don't think he's the defensive wiz everyone else seems to think he is. Though he is better than I'd initially given him credit for.

[danconnollyeire]

He was underestimated.
After Wlad's win general consensus was that it was Wlad who lost the fight rather than Fury who one the fit.
No one still considered him a legit heavyweight champion or gave him credit for that victory.

After Wilder's fight he is clearly among top heavyweight's of the world and should have a place among all time greats.

What makes us to underestimate him, is lack of physique which we expect from a great heavyweight boxer and a big punching power. However he makes it up with great ring generalship and IQ. For a big man he really moves very effectively and makes it very hard for anyone to catch. Plus now we know he has a great chin.

Despite of 2 knockdowns against Wilder he could have got the decision had the fight happened on a more neutral ground.

He is a great heavyweight boxer.

wtf, do you think boxing started in 2005? A close bore win vs Wlad and a draw vs Wilder doesn't make anyone even close to an ATG ffs

And I'm a Fury fan

[Lackeos]

I figured Fury stood the chance of becoming world class, but I certainly didn't expect him to beat Wladimir. I remember Fury was a 4:1 underdog.

There was a time when a lot of people in the forum were claiming that...
-Tyson Fury was ducking David Price
-David Price was better than Fury at the time (possibly true)
-David Price would always be better than Fury, refusing to acknowledge that Fury was an evolving youngster at the time.
-David Price was going to rule the heavyweight division.

I spent a lot of time arguing against these ridiculous opinions that would eventually look very silly in time.

[verlichte]

There was a time when a lot of people in the forum were claiming that...
-Tyson Fury was ducking David Price
-David Price was better than Fury at the time (possibly true)
-David Price would always be better than Fury, refusing to acknowledge that Fury was an evolving youngster at the time.
-David Price was going to rule the heavyweight division.

I spent a lot of time arguing against these ridiculous opinions that would eventually look very silly in time.

David Price rejected an £100K offer to face Tyson Fury.

Fury then vacated his British title to chase world honours. In fact, six months after vacating his British title, he won a WBC world title eliminator.

In stark contrast, shortly after capturing Fury’s former British crown, David Price suffered two career-ending losses (or at least those defeats permanently ended any world title aspirations).

People often make claims about things that are blatantly untrue and then choose to ignore any real-world facts that contradict any of their truly absurd theories.

[RScarf1]

If Klitschko was able to fight Fury in a rematch, Klitschko would have won. The fight was close with Fury rabbit punching and only had one point deducted by the ref.

I don't think so.

Klitschko's reflexes were on the decline. That's even more noticeable when your fighting a quicker, defensively oriented fighter such as Fury.

A 40 year old Klitschko simply would never be able to pull the trigger fast enough to connect consistently against a slick Fury.

And Fury won by 3 point on 1 card and 5 on another.

Even if you dock him another point or 2, Fury is still the winner.

Klitschko's time had passed. He wouldn't have fared better the second time around.

Klitschko would have been better than when he fought Joshua. He would have been a little younger and he was highly motivated. The rematch was cancelled twice because of Fury. Regarding the judges, they were biased for the most part. I scored it a draw and I think Fury should have been penalized more points for rabbit punches. One news website scored it for Fury by a slim margin, so it was close.

[verlichte]

If Klitschko was able to fight Fury in a rematch, Klitschko would have won. The fight was close with Fury rabbit punching and only had one point deducted by the ref.

I don't think so.

Klitschko's reflexes were on the decline. That's even more noticeable when your fighting a quicker, defensively oriented fighter such as Fury.

A 40 year old Klitschko simply would never be able to pull the trigger fast enough to connect consistently against a slick Fury.

And Fury won by 3 point on 1 card and 5 on another.

Even if you dock him another point or 2, Fury is still the winner.

Klitschko's time had passed. He wouldn't have fared better the second time around.

Klitschko would have been better than when he fought Joshua. He would have been a little younger and he was highly motivated. The rematch was cancelled twice because of Fury. Regarding the judges, they were biased for the most part. I scored it a draw and I think Fury should have been penalized more points for rabbit punches. One news website scored it for Fury by a slim margin, so it was close.

I was hoping for a victory for Wladimir, but I couldn’t award him more than four rounds in the Fury bout. Most of the time, fighters aren’t rewarded by the judges for not letting their hands go. The official scorecards were in line with the media’s perception of the fight.

I do feel that Klitschko would have been slightly better in the cancelled Fury rematch, because his family had only just overcome a lot of problems occurring outside the ring (i.e. Wladimir's partner, Hayden Panettiere, was suffering from post-partum depression, she postponed their wedding and had only just checked into rehab three weeks prior to her partner's fight against the Brit).

Whilst it seemed obvious in the Fury fight that father time really had already caught up with Wladimir Klitschko, I still think he probably could have performed a little bit better in the rematch, because I’m fairly confident that the significant and distressing events taking place in his private life around the same time period would have adversely affected his training preparation and mental attitude.

[danconnollyeire]

I figured Fury stood the chance of becoming world class, but I certainly didn't expect him to beat Wladimir. I remember Fury was a 4:1 underdog.

There was a time when a lot of people in the forum were claiming that...
-Tyson Fury was ducking David Price
-David Price was better than Fury at the time (possibly true)
-David Price would always be better than Fury, refusing to acknowledge that Fury was an evolving youngster at the time.
-David Price was going to rule the heavyweight division.

I spent a lot of time arguing against these ridiculous opinions that would eventually look very silly in time.

1. you wasn't arguing sh1t. Find the post arguing Fury was better than Price
2. Price was head and shoulders above Fury at the time. You're being the king of absolute hindsight right now but back then he was an unbeaten, olympic bronze medalist and feared. It's only post-Thompson that people aren't scared of Price anymore. He was sparking out all the domestic prospects while Fury was struggling with McDermott and form was very up and down

[Eolaithe]

I figured Fury stood the chance of becoming world class, but I certainly didn't expect him to beat Wladimir. I remember Fury was a 4:1 underdog.

There was a time when a lot of people in the forum were claiming that...
-Tyson Fury was ducking David Price
-David Price was better than Fury at the time (possibly true)
-David Price would always be better than Fury, refusing to acknowledge that Fury was an evolving youngster at the time.
-David Price was going to rule the heavyweight division.

I spent a lot of time arguing against these ridiculous opinions that would eventually look very silly in time.

1. you wasn't arguing sh1t. Find the post arguing Fury was better than Price
2. Price was head and shoulders above Fury at the time. You're being the king of absolute hindsight right now but back then he was an unbeaten, olympic bronze medalist and feared. It's only post-Thompson that people aren't scared of Price anymore. He was sparking out all the domestic prospects while Fury was struggling with McDermott and form was very up and down

I've just read about Price rejecting a £100K offer to face Fury in 2011.

[skinnysteve]

clutchko sure underestimated him

[Noxy]

I'm a big Fury fan, I knew he was good and had been improving since McDermott etc. (as well as being in better shape). But I underestimated him, I didn't think he'd get the decision against Wlad. I did back him against Wilder though. I hope he has a great 2019.

[Eolaithe]

People usually either underrate or overrate fighters. There’s no in-between for most fans.

Fury was underrated because he looked bad physically, performed according to the type of opponent he was facing and also due to his irritating fake persona that he often used to sell his fights.

Nobody wants to give credit to fighters they don’t like.

[danconnollyeire]

People usually either underrate or overrate fighters. There’s no in-between for most fans.

Fury was underrated because he looked bad physically, performed according to the type of opponent he was facing and also due to his irritating fake persona that he often used to sell his fights.

Nobody wants to give credit to fighters they don’t like.

I'm a Fury fan but I genuinely don't think he was underrated. He looked crap early on, undisciplined, liked to scrap. not great balance, defence wasn't close to what it is now. And some poor performance vs McDermott, Cunningham etc. He improved massively, adapted his style and fought smart

[jamamb]

People usually either underrate or overrate fighters. There’s no in-between for most fans.

Fury was underrated because he looked bad physically, performed according to the type of opponent he was facing and also due to his irritating fake persona that he often used to sell his fights.

Nobody wants to give credit to fighters they don’t like.

r u eo my man?

[oogiebe]

People usually either underrate or overrate fighters. There’s no in-between for most fans.

Fury was underrated because he looked bad physically, performed according to the type of opponent he was facing and also due to his irritating fake persona that he often used to sell his fights.

Nobody wants to give credit to fighters they don’t like.

r u eo my man?

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. Another fresh start for the great wordsmith!

[Lackeos]

I figured Fury stood the chance of becoming world class, but I certainly didn't expect him to beat Wladimir. I remember Fury was a 4:1 underdog.

There was a time when a lot of people in the forum were claiming that...
-Tyson Fury was ducking David Price
-David Price was better than Fury at the time (possibly true)
-David Price would always be better than Fury, refusing to acknowledge that Fury was an evolving youngster at the time.
-David Price was going to rule the heavyweight division.

I spent a lot of time arguing against these ridiculous opinions that would eventually look very silly in time.

1. you wasn't arguing sh1t. Find the post arguing Fury was better than Price
2. Price was head and shoulders above Fury at the time. You're being the king of absolute hindsight right now but back then he was an unbeaten, olympic bronze medalist and feared. It's only post-Thompson that people aren't scared of Price anymore. He was sparking out all the domestic prospects while Fury was struggling with McDermott and form was very up and down

-I was specifically arguing that by the time Tyson Fury was anywhere near his prime, i.e. when he was at least 27 years old, that he would be light years ahead of David Price. But that expecting Fury of age 20 - 23 to fight David Price right now, when he wasn't in his prime yet, is to expect the unreasonable and is not a prime-for-prime match-up yet.
-Proving it is going to be impossible, because these were debates from the 2010 - 2012 era, and the Current Scene purges have erased all of my Current Scene posts prior to June 2014 except for two threads that eluded the purge -- the heavyweight sweepstakes thread and the ratings thread. I can't prove the existence of any of my posts from 2011, and you're looking like the idiot for asking me to produce that which has already been erased (and somehow not knowing that the forum has done this).

I had close to 7,000 posts at the time of the first purge from 2012, and there is still documented evidence of that in the Boxrec Hall of Infamy. However, if you search my Current Scene post history, it will only show like 4 posts from prior to 2014. That should be adequate evidence that the Current Scene has experienced numerous rounds of purges.

Here's a small morsel of Fury - Price discussion from July 11 2011, which still persists, because it was in the British & Irish forum, which is not a forum I spend much time in.

I don't understand why it would be PPV in America and free to air in England. It would seem like, if anything, Brits might be willing to pay money for it and Americans wouldn't.

Despite the fact that nobody, including Brits, really likes Chisora or Fury very much, the winner of this fight will pretty much be carrying the future of England's hopes and dreams. Chisora already won a prospect showdown with Sexton, and the winner of this will clearly be Britain's champion of prospects.

Have to disagree there mate think David Price is most peoples favourite british Heavyweight prospect.

Agreed. David Price is the guy most of us believe has very good potential. The main worry with him is his chin.

Hard to imagine anyone hanging their hopes on a 28-year-old "prospect," who has just barely cracked the top 50. In terms of potential and development, that sounds like the British version of Seth Mitchell, Johnathon Banks, or what Kevin Johnson was a few years ago. But whatever, he's your prospect, not mine.

[greg]

..Fury certainly did a better job than I expected against Wilder ..still there's no garantie he won't be taken out in the rematch..see it as a 50/50 fight with Fury being a better boxer..will never put my money though predicting Fury's future...

PS. by the way these purges was a shame, too many great posts were lost..

[Lackeos]

PS. by the way these purges was a shame, too many great posts were lost..

[fanman]

before the vlad fight i hadn't followed fury much at all. i knew he was this big, clumsy guy who'd punched himself in the face. of course undefeated, and big, so of some interest.

in retrospect the dominant performance over chisora really showed his quality. chisora who ran top 5 whyte close recently was totally controlled and taken down.

the wlad fight could have been a one-off at the time. probably if he'd done the rematch for money, unmotivated he would have been ko'd.

i did think he would beat wilder, who seems to be outboxed by everybody decent at all, and relies on his power.

at this point if fury can beat wilder (again) and then manage to outbox joshua, he can go down as an all time great.
that huge size combined with good boxing ability is quite unique.