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Posted: **16 Feb 2019, 10:22**

At MW yes, I'm not so sure about SMW.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:03**

According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:06**

Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.

James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:14**

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.

Agreed. And a world class fighter would've probably stopped JDG this evening.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:41**

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.

Is Chris Eubank Jr. one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today?

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:46**

Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:41
ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.
Is Chris Eubank Jr. one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today?

Nope.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:48**

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:46
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:41
ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.
Is Chris Eubank Jr. one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today?
Nope.

Name ten 168lb-ers better than him?

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:50**

Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:48
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:46
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:41
ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.
Is Chris Eubank Jr. one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today?
Nope.
Name ten 168lb-ers better than him?

Nope.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 20:51**

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:50
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:48
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:46
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:41
ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.
Is Chris Eubank Jr. one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today?
Nope.
Name ten 168lb-ers better than him?
Nope.

Thank you for proving my point.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 21:00**

Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:51
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:50
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:48
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:46
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:41
ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.
Is Chris Eubank Jr. one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today?
Nope.
Name ten 168lb-ers better than him?
Nope.
Thank you for proving my point.

Sure, whatever you say, so long as you keep it short. Eubanks isn't world class.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 21:28**

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 21:00
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:51
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:50
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:48
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:46
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:41
ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:06
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 20:03 According to The RING, the eighth-rated super-middleweight fighter in the world, Chris Eubank Jr., not only delivered a career-best performance tonight, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

Therefore, Chris Eubank Jr. is a world-class fighter. He might not be a pound-for-pounder or someone that should be deemed worthy of receiving praise, but he’s one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today.
James Degale has not been world class for a while though. Eubank didn't beat a world class fighter tonight.
Is Chris Eubank Jr. one of the very best super-middleweights on the planet competing today?
Nope.
Name ten 168lb-ers better than him?
Nope.
Thank you for proving my point.
Sure, whatever you say, so long as you keep it short. Eubanks isn't world class.

Fair enough, if Eubank Jr. defeats the winner of the Dirrell-Yildirim fight to capture the WBC strap, would you still believe that Chris isn't world-class?

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 21:30**

Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 21:28
Fair enough, if Eubank Jr. defeats the winner of the Dirrell-Yildirim fight to capture the WBC strap, would you still believe that Chris isn't world-class?

Only if you tell me why you changed your name to Eolaithe. LOL! He would have to blow the winner of that fight away and maybe then I'd consider it.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 21:32**

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 21:30
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 21:28
Fair enough, if Eubank Jr. defeats the winner of the Dirrell-Yildirim fight to capture the WBC strap, would you still believe that Chris isn't world-class?
Only if you tell me why you changed your name to Eolaithe. LOL! He would have to blow the winner of that fight away and maybe then I'd consider it.

Eubank Jr. has already blew away Yildirim. I guess Chris would need to beat Dirrell also to persuade you to change your mind.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 21:35**

Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 21:32
oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 21:30
Eolaithe wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 21:28
Fair enough, if Eubank Jr. defeats the winner of the Dirrell-Yildirim fight to capture the WBC strap, would you still believe that Chris isn't world-class?
Only if you tell me why you changed your name to Eolaithe. LOL! He would have to blow the winner of that fight away and maybe then I'd consider it.
Eubank Jr. has already blew away Yildirim. I guess Chris would need to beat Dirrell also to persuade you to change your mind.

I just don't believe (for the 100th time) that CEJ is elite/world-class. If he was, he'd have ko'd the over the hill DeGale this evening. Why are you so consumed with Eubank's status? You seem to be all over this topic all over the forum. Are you two dating or something? And why did you change your name to Eolaithe?

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 21:45**

I mean Eubank is World Class when you consider that you're still World Class to even be consider one of the 10 best of a weight class at any given time. The World is a big place, and to be one of the 10 Best Boxers your size in it is definitely a World Class achievement I'd say.

That being said I don't think he's truly Elite, and could be bested by at least 5 or 6 guys at 168. Probably more. Nevertheless though, he's a good fighter. Just don't bet the farm on him when he's matched tough.

Posted: **23 Feb 2019, 22:42**

World class - (a person, thing, or activity) of or among the best in the world.

There are roughly 1300 super middleweight pro boxers in the world and Eubank Jnr is undoubtedly among the best of them.

Posted: **24 Feb 2019, 02:04**

euabnks win over yildrim looks better now, now that yildrim couldve arguably gotten the win vs dirrell

Posted: **24 Feb 2019, 02:06**

Wales wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 22:42 World class - (a person, thing, or activity) of or among the best in the world.

There are roughly 1300 super middleweight pro boxers in the world and Eubank Jnr is undoubtedly among the best of them.

where is the marker for that though, like a guy 35th out of 1300 is better then the vast majority of smws in the world, is he world class too

that said eubank i think in the current state of smw is one of the best 10

Posted: **24 Feb 2019, 02:21**

It seems that Anthony Dirrell’s moderately controversial victory over Avni Yildirim has pushed Chris Eubank Jr’s stock even higher, since the American went life-and-death with an opponent who was demolished within three rounds by the Brit.

So I’d expect Chris Eubank Jr’s rating by The RING to rise significantly from his current position of eighth place.

Especially considering he not only delivered a career-best performance last night, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

He also out-performed the sixth-placed super-middleweight (Dirrell), coupled with the fact that the second highest-rated 168lbs fighter (Gilberto Ramirez) has moved divisions as well.

I sincerely believe that Chris Eubank Jr. deserves to be rated amongst the top-five super-middleweights on the planet, possibly as high as fourth, just behind the likes of: Callum Smith; David Benavidez; and Canelo. Admittedly, there’s a decent argument for Jose Uzcategui being rated higher than the Brit though.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re dismissive of Chris Eubank Jr’s talents, he’s almost certainly one of the top-five ranked 168lb-ers competing today. Perhaps that’s a reflection of the super-middleweight class being weak, but nonetheless, it’s undeniable to claim that the Brit is technically “world class”.

Posted: **24 Feb 2019, 02:25**

ya tbf yildrim doing so well vs dirrell looks nice on eubank

Posted: **24 Feb 2019, 06:40**

Yes he already was.

Posted: **24 Feb 2019, 06:48**

Eolaithe wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 02:21 It seems that Anthony Dirrell’s moderately controversial victory over Avni Yildirim has pushed Chris Eubank Jr’s stock even higher, since the American went life-and-death with an opponent who was demolished within three rounds by the Brit.

So I’d expect Chris Eubank Jr’s rating by The RING to rise significantly from his current position of eighth place.

Especially considering he not only delivered a career-best performance last night, but he also dominated an Olympic gold medallist and a former two-time world champion, who was rated as being in 5th place in the 168lbs division.

He also out-performed the sixth-placed super-middleweight (Dirrell), coupled with the fact that the second highest-rated 168lbs fighter (Gilberto Ramirez) has moved divisions as well.

I sincerely believe that Chris Eubank Jr. deserves to be rated amongst the top-five super-middleweights on the planet, possibly as high as fourth, just behind the likes of: Callum Smith; David Benavidez; and Canelo. Admittedly, there’s a decent argument for Jose Uzcategui being rated higher than the Brit though.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re dismissive of Chris Eubank Jr’s talents, he’s almost certainly one of the top-five ranked 168lb-ers competing today. Perhaps that’s a reflection of the super-middleweight class being weak, but nonetheless, it’s undeniable to claim that the Brit is technically “world class”.

Agree, the SMW is pretty weak for the moment and also he did do his best against Degale but then again Degale hugged himself to a decision loss. Did work in the olympics to win the gold but not tonight.

Also Degale looked weak.

Posted: **24 Feb 2019, 08:06**

It depends how you view world class.

World class to me is qualitative rather than quantitative. I don't think you need to choose an arbitrary number like all top 15 at each weight are world class.

My view is that you can have as little as one or two world class fighters at one weight and you can have 15, 20 whatever at another weight depending on the depth of quality in each division. In that method Eubank is not world class.

I've no issue with others having a quantitative approach. In that method Eubank would be world class.

Posted: **25 Feb 2019, 06:54**

[quote=ewenhay post_id=5107064 time=1551009988 user_id=82339

I've no issue with others having a quantitative approach. In that method Eubank would be world class.
[/quote]

It's the only option for those with a certain type of 'black and white' mind, and all the limitations that come along with it.

Posted: **25 Feb 2019, 10:06**

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 06:54
ewenhay wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 08:06 I've no issue with others having a quantitative approach. In that method Eubank would be world class.
It's the only option for those with a certain type of 'black and white' mind, and all the limitations that come along with it.

For some people, the term "world-class" is a fictitious concept that is subjective in nature, whereby people’s opinions differ greatly. For those individuals, the phrase “world-class” cannot be measured or quantified.

So, I prefer to use an objective barometer, such as being a top-ten world-rated fighter competing in their weight class, regardless as to whether the division is perceived as being weak or not.

For instance: Rey Loreto is a world-class light flyweight, despite suffering loads of losses, as well as competing in a weak division where there are very few fighters capable of weighing 108lbs. Just because the Filipino is a “world-class” light flyweight, it doesn’t mean we have to respect his talents. However, we can’t pretend he’s not a top-ten “world-class” light flyweight either.

Just because it sometimes “rains”, we can’t pretend that it isn’t “raining”, simply because we don’t like it.

It is what it is, we don’t have to read too much into the prestige of being “world-class”, because its meaning differs greatly in context.

No concept is perfect, to the point it has no flaws.

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