pound per pound wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 09:54
I see a real chance for an upset.
It could happen. Although Miller is not a polished boxer, he is strong and he shows no fear, no respect. Dude looks he could take huge punches.
That's the key. Miller is one of only half a dozen fighters that have a better than 25% chance of beating AJ if they were to fight him this year.
Miller has the stamina, the work-rate and the fu-queue attitude that he is going to need. Now if he absorb punishment as well as that bull-like physique suggests he might, then he is fully equipped to give Joshua his toughest fight to-date.
If Joshua breaks him up and stops him in four rounds there are many will write this off as a mismatch and accuse Joshua of fighting an overweight, untested, patsy but although I see that as a very possible outcome, that would be to dismiss the fact that in the run up to the fight, Miller represents a very clear and present danger to AJ. If I were Hearn I'd have picked the comparatively easy option of Kownacki for Joshua's stateside debut.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 14:26
by oogiebe
Big Baby Miller at 252 LBS in his debut. Flabby fvck. His chest looks like flopsy and mopsy.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 18:03
by candyslim
Are Flopsy and Mopsy your pet-names for the appendages of a lady of your acquaintance, Oogie?
Seriously I know Miller looks like he works out bench pressing quarter pounders in Burger King, but we old geezers know there is more to a book than the artwork on its cover don't we? Hell you don't need to go back further than Washington v Kownacki to appreciate just how deceptive appearances can be.
If you have a mouth like Miller's you gotta be able to fight or you're going to look like a complete c-word in next to no time. I strongly suspect he can.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 18:08
by oogiebe
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 18:03
Are Flopsy and Mopsy your pet-names for the appendages of a lady of your acquaintance, Oogie?
Seriously I know Miller looks like he works out bench pressing quarter pounders in Burger King, but we old geezers know there is more to a book than the artwork on its cover don't we? Hell you don't need to go back further than Washington v Kownacki to appreciate just how deceptive appearances can be.
If you have a mouth like Miller's you gotta be able to fight or you're going to look like a complete c-word in next to no time. I strongly suspect he can.
Pretty much I used that for any lady acquaintance whose bra size is "38 long", Candy man!
No doubt he can fight, but at what level we don't yet know. My commentary is on his physique and its transformation. He has put on a tremendous amount of muscle over the last several years. I felt that this video helps to show that. Not casting aspersions, just questioning the approach a bit...
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
pound per pound wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 09:54
I see a real chance for an upset.
It could happen. Although Miller is not a polished boxer, he is strong and he shows no fear, no respect. Dude looks he could take huge punches.
That's the key. Miller is one of only half a dozen fighters that have a better than 25% chance of beating AJ if they were to fight him this year.
Miller has the stamina, the work-rate and the fu-queue attitude that he is going to need. Now if he absorb punishment as well as that bull-like physique suggests he might, then he is fully equipped to give Joshua his toughest fight to-date.
If Joshua breaks him up and stops him in four rounds there are many will write this off as a mismatch and accuse Joshua of fighting an overweight, untested, patsy but although I see that as a very possible outcome, that would be to dismiss the fact that in the run up to the fight, Miller represents a very clear and present danger to AJ. If I were Hearn I'd have picked the comparatively easy option of Kownacki for Joshua's stateside debut.
25 % ?? Maybe - if they play chess..........
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 18:03
Are Flopsy and Mopsy your pet-names for the appendages of a lady of your acquaintance, Oogie?
Seriously I know Miller looks like he works out bench pressing quarter pounders in Burger King, but we old geezers know there is more to a book than the artwork on its cover don't we? Hell you don't need to go back further than Washington v Kownacki to appreciate just how deceptive appearances can be.
If you have a mouth like Miller's you gotta be able to fight or you're going to look like a complete c-word in next to no time. I strongly suspect he can.
Pretty much I used that for any lady acquaintance whose bra size is "38 long", Candy man!
No doubt he can fight, but at what level we don't yet know. My commentary is on his physique and its transformation. He has put on a tremendous amount of muscle over the last several years. I felt that this video helps to show that. Not casting aspersions, just questioning the approach a bit...
Ah ok. When I say about whether he can fight, I do mean at an elite level. Sometimes as a kid I never knew when to STFU and it would get me in trouble that was probably better avoided. More than once I was approached by the big tough dumb kids who would ask "You fink you can fight me do ya?" and being more protective of the English language when my self preservation instinct should have been the priority, i would feel compelled to respond along the lines of "Yeah sure I know I can fight you. Whether I can beat you or not is an entirely different question ... "
Of course semantics was never the strong suit of these kind of kids and smart-ass replies were not greatly appreciated. My natural instinct was not to fight but I had to learn pretty fast
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
pound per pound wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 09:54
I see a real chance for an upset.
It could happen. Although Miller is not a polished boxer, he is strong and he shows no fear, no respect. Dude looks he could take huge punches.
That's the key. Miller is one of only half a dozen fighters that have a better than 25% chance of beating AJ if they were to fight him this year.
Miller has the stamina, the work-rate and the fu-queue attitude that he is going to need. Now if he absorbs punishment as well as that bull-like physique suggests he might, then he is fully equipped to give Joshua his toughest fight to-date.
If Joshua breaks him up and stops him in four rounds there are many will write this off as a mismatch and accuse Joshua of fighting an overweight, untested, patsy but although I see that as a very possible outcome, that would be to dismiss the fact that in the run up to the fight, Miller represents a very clear and present danger to AJ. If I were Hearn I'd have picked the comparatively easy option of Kownacki for Joshua's stateside debut.
25 % ?? Maybe - if they play chess..........
Are you saying 25% is being generous to these fighters? I think Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Usyk, whyte, and Miller are above 25% maybe up to 45% in one or two cases. People like Hrgovic will soon be above 25% which is why I limited my statement to only apply to this year.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
pound per pound wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 09:54
I see a real chance for an upset.
It could happen. Although Miller is not a polished boxer, he is strong and he shows no fear, no respect. Dude looks he could take huge punches.
That's the key. Miller is one of only half a dozen fighters that have a better than 25% chance of beating AJ if they were to fight him this year.
Miller has the stamina, the work-rate and the fu-queue attitude that he is going to need. Now if he absorbs punishment as well as that bull-like physique suggests he might, then he is fully equipped to give Joshua his toughest fight to-date.
If Joshua breaks him up and stops him in four rounds there are many will write this off as a mismatch and accuse Joshua of fighting an overweight, untested, patsy but although I see that as a very possible outcome, that would be to dismiss the fact that in the run up to the fight, Miller represents a very clear and present danger to AJ. If I were Hearn I'd have picked the comparatively easy option of Kownacki for Joshua's stateside debut.
25 % ?? Maybe - if they play chess..........
Are you saying 25% is being generous to these fighters? I think Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Usyk, whyte, and Miller are above 25% maybe up to 45% in one or two cases. People like Hrgovic will soon be above 25% which is why I limited my statement to only apply to this year.
I am speaking about Miller, you are too generous. I would not give him more than 5 % chance.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 04:15
by candyslim
So if I bet £100 with you on Miller to beat Joshua, you'll pay me £2,000 if he does, yes?
Joshua has to start favourite because his quality has been tested and not found wanting at elite level which we cannot claim for Miller, but even though I bow to your knowledge as a (former) betting man, nobody could convince me that the Big Baby isn't worth a whole lot better than twenty to one. I'd rate his chances between 35 and 40%.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
apollo creed wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 08:25
The only thing that could go wrong in this fight for AJ is the pressure-size of Miller. It could be suffocating and demoralizing to see a 'walrus' like Miller keep coming at you and take your best shots. I hope AJ is gonna sharpen his jab and his footwork.
I think the first stiff shot Miller receives will change his entire approach to the fight. This fight is levels up from any fight he's ever had. It's going to be shocking to him and he'll be pounded to dust.
I hope so. Miller looks like a much bigger version of Tua, size wise. It will be interesting to see how Miller is gonna take AJ's first solid shot.
If he's as one dimensional as Tua was against Lewis, Joshua is going to have an easy night.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 13:58
by ValMar
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 04:15
So if I bet £100 with you on Miller to beat Joshua, you'll pay me £2,000 if he does, yes?
Joshua has to start favourite because his quality has been tested and not found wanting at elite level which we cannot claim for Miller, but even though I bow to your knowledge as a (former) betting man, nobody could convince me that the Big Baby isn't worth a whole lot better than twenty to one. I'd rate his chances between 35 and 40%.
William Hill, betting odds, Joshua vs. Miller 1) 1,12 X) 26,00 2) 6,00
My prediction has nothing with betting, at all. Simply, I can not imagine Miller winning.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 14:49
by apollo creed
Miller is a strong built lad. I hope AJ will make a statement against Miller but I won't write off the cheesburger king.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 14:51
by oogiebe
apollo creed wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 14:49
Miller is a strong built lad. I hope AJ will make a statement against Miller but I won't write off the cheesburger king.
Can't write him off entirely, no.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
apollo creed wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 14:49
Miller is a strong built lad. I hope AJ will make a statement against Miller but I won't write off the cheesburger king.
Can't write him off entirely, no.
Would you explain how Miller can be successful (against Joshua), please.
I can not see the way, I might be limited, of course.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
apollo creed wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 14:49
Miller is a strong built lad. I hope AJ will make a statement against Miller but I won't write off the cheesburger king.
Can't write him off entirely, no.
Would you explain how Miller can be successful (against Joshua), please.
I can not see the way, I might be limited, of course.
It's simple. At the top level, there's always a chance in the HW division. We don't know Miller very well, so we can't really predict how he'll respond to AJ in the ring. He's big; quick; and has a high output rate. While I believe he'll get starched, no one can be 100% in this situation.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 15:58
by Onetimeonly
I'm willing to give Miller zero chance.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 16:00
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 15:58
I'm willing to give Miller zero chance.
so you would give me 1,000-1 odds?
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 15:58
I'm willing to give Miller zero chance.
so you would give me 1,000-1 odds?
Lmao, that's the odds for that? Where'd you come up with that? Why not a million to 1?
You give him zero chance to win, so I'm asking for odds. If you are not willing to give 1000-1 on Miller, then you give him more than a zero chance.
I gave broner zero chance against maidana and git like +350. Very bizarre reasoning you got going there.
So your answer is no. Was that so hard? It was an exercise. Would you give 100-1? 20-1?
I don't seriously bet anything over -150 for fights. I've never been paid on one of these internet bets. If we were watching the fight together is give you the fight odds.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
apollo creed wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 14:49
Miller is a strong built lad. I hope AJ will make a statement against Miller but I won't write off the cheesburger king.
Can't write him off entirely, no.
Would you explain how Miller can be successful (against Joshua), please.
I can not see the way, I might be limited, of course.
It's simple. At the top level, there's always a chance in the HW division. We don't know Miller very well, so we can't really predict how he'll respond to AJ in the ring. He's big; quick; and has a high output rate. While I believe he'll get starched, no one can be 100% in this situation.
100 % ? We can not be sure if we (Joshua and Miller, too) will be alive tomorrow ?
Let us try to be realistic, I doubt that Miller is better than Whyte, Povetkin or Parker (should I mention Klitschko ?), and Joshua defeated all of them. I know something about lucky punch at HW (Douglas, Rahman, etc....), but it happens pretty rarely.
So, we know a lot about Joshua, and he is A+ HW, without any doubts, and Miller has never faced any A level opponent.
Miller's win would be something like miracle, for me.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 15:58
I'm willing to give Miller zero chance.
so you would give me 1,000-1 odds?
Lmao, that's the odds for that? Where'd you come up with that? Why not a million to 1?
You give him zero chance to win, so I'm asking for odds. If you are not willing to give 1000-1 on Miller, then you give him more than a zero chance.
I gave broner zero chance against maidana and git like +350. Very bizarre reasoning you got going there.
So your answer is no. Was that so hard? It was an exercise. Would you give 100-1? 20-1?
I don't seriously bet anything over -150 for fights. I've never been paid on one of these internet bets. If we were watching the fight together is give you the fight odds.
Fair enough. I wouldn't bet anyway. Just wanting to see if you really give Big Arse Miler a zero chance. We can only hope it's a decent fight in some manner.
Re: wow Miller really did his best to get under AJ's skin
Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 16:15
by Onetimeonly
If it was an exercise in stupidity. You nailed it.
I gave broner zero chance against maidana and git like +350. Very bizarre reasoning you got going there.