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Quillin ducked Korobov and $1.4 million by vacating his WBO title. He wasn't fighting GGG under any circumstances.

Good luck to him many a fighter didn't want a thing to do with him and that's not his fault,let him do what he wants

walter5 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 17:57 Quillin ducked Korobov and $1.4 million by vacating his WBO title. He wasn't fighting GGG under any circumstances.

Quillin had a plethora of personal issues to contend with, like the birth of his son and watching on as his uncle battle cancer, when he rejected the Korobov fight.

Also, Quillin subsequently agreed to face Andy Lee and Danny Jacobs, which kind of proves he didn't "duck" Matt Korobov due to any perceived "fear".

Also, it was Team GGG that actually rejected the opportunity to face Quillin, because the American wanted the fight to be awarded to the highest bidding network and promoter, but K2 couldn't permit this since Golovkin's exclusive contract with HBO forbid him from competing on rival networks, since 'Kid Chocolate' was an Al Haymon fighter affiliated with Showtime. Tom Loeffler confirmed this.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 16:08

apollo creed wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 16:02 Are you saying that someone made lots of cash from GGG ?

I think that's what he's saying. Someone had to make money with those amounts of views.

Absolutely spot on! I felt that GGG was exploited by HBO and K2 for the bouts he competed in prior to his fight against David Lemieux.

Adrien Broner would have received a combined total of roughly $3m for his 2013 bouts against Maidana (ballpark ≈$1.5m) and Malignaggi ($1.5m), which attracted 2.7m cable viewers in total that year.

Gennady Golovkin would have received a combined total of $750K for his 2013 bouts against Stevens ($400K) and Macklin ($350K), which attracted 2.5m cable viewers viewers in total that year.

Therefore, K2 and HBO must have made huge profits from GGG’s bouts staged during 2013, because Golovkin received 25% of the sums that Broner commanded, resulting in a ballpark ≈$3.25m discrepancy, despite achieving similar viewing figures for the events he headlined.

Somebody must have made a profit!

No wonder Golovkin is currently self-promoted and negotiating his own network deals!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 19:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 16:08

apollo creed wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 16:02 Are you saying that someone made lots of cash from GGG ?

I think that's what he's saying. Someone had to make money with those amounts of views.

Absolutely spot on! I felt that GGG was exploited by HBO and K2 for the bouts he competed in prior to his fight against David Lemieux.

Adrien Broner would have received a combined total of roughly $3m for his 2013 bouts against Maidana (ballpark ≈$1.5m) and Malignaggi ($1.5m), which attracted 2.7m cable viewers in total that year.

Gennady Golovkin would have received a combined total of $750K for his 2013 bouts against Stevens ($400K) and Macklin ($350K), which attracted 2.5m cable viewers viewers in total that year.

Therefore, K2 and HBO must have made huge profits from GGG’s bouts staged during 2013, because Golovkin received 25% of the sums that Broner commanded, resulting in a ballpark ≈$3.25m discrepancy, despite achieving similar viewing figures for the events he headlined.

Somebody must have made a profit!

No wonder Golovkin is currently self-promoted and negotiating his own network deals!

It makes sense. He smarten up himself.

Don't forget that somebody was covering Golovkin's expenses since he moved to the U.S. They needed to recover those expenses. Golovkin himself wouldn't release a Kazakh fighter he has been promoting (allegedly not very well) unless that fighter pays him back a $100K.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 21:23 Don't forget that somebody was covering Golovkin's expenses since he moved to the U.S. They needed to recover those expenses. Golovkin himself wouldn't release a Kazakh fighter he has been promoting (allegedly not very well) unless that fighter pays him back a $100K.

Agree but I think HBO could've put more money for GGG. He was/is an exciting fighter to watch. 3-4 M's for Martinez or JCCJr as a purse plus the PPVs and they would've fought Golovkin, no doubt. EO may be right this time.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 21:23 Don't forget that somebody was covering Golovkin's expenses since he moved to the U.S. They needed to recover those expenses. Golovkin himself wouldn't release a Kazakh fighter he has been promoting (allegedly not very well) unless that fighter pays him back a $100K.

Gennady Golovkin started appearing on HBO the year prior and far too many other fighters, some tied with the same network, were earning several hundreds of thousands (and in some cases millions) more per fight than what GGG was commanding, even though the Kazakh was attracting much better audience figures on HBO.

I’ve already provided lots of examples of these.

I think you’re clutching at straws. The discrepancy in paydays cannot be explained by relocation and housing expenses. I’m sorry, but I feel that you’re far too smart to sincerely believe this also.

It’s really strange that you profess to being a die-hard GGG fan, but yet you’re passionately defending the promoter and TV network that clearly exploited him, as if your life depended on it. Why is that?

I didn’t criticise GGG. I’ve always liked him, but I believe his career would have been handled much better by another boxing content provider, such as: Al Haymon, GBP, Top Rank, Matchroom etc.

They had to beg HBO to televize Golovkin vs Proksa. Only after somebody pulled out, HBO agreed to do that. They needed a few fights on HBO before they could demand more money. Besides, you don't know what their original contract with HBO was.
Maybe HBO put a cap on his purses. Don't compare a fighter from an obscure Kazakhstan barely speaking English with somebody like Broner who at the time many thought could be a new Mayweather.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 10:58 They had to beg HBO to televize Golovkin vs Proksa. Only after somebody pulled out, HBO agreed to do that. They needed a few fights on HBO before they could demand more money. Besides, you don't know what their original contract with HBO was.
Maybe HBO put a cap on his purses. Don't compare a fighter from an obscure Kazakhstan barely speaking English with somebody like Broner who at the time many thought could be a new Mayweather.

Surely a fighters’ perceived worth is all about the amount of money he generates for his promoter and network?

For a few years he attracted some of the sports’ biggest gate receipts and viewing figures, but he was being paid a hell of a lot less than his peers, who were attracting less viewers.

In 2013, Adrien Broner received about $3m for his 2.7m cable ratings. GGG commanded only $750K for his $2.5m. There was nothing obscure about Golovkin that year!

Surely the numbers must mean SOMETHING to you? Come on – they can’t be ignored!

A few more examples for you:

• Miguel Cotto earned $2.m for his 2013 bout against Delvin Rodriguez, which attracted 1.6m viewers on HBO.

• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. earned $2.5m for his 2013 bout against Bryan Vera, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

• Edwin Rodriguez was paid $600K and Denis Grachev was paid $400K for their 2013 bout, which was televised by HBO.

• Gennady Golovkin earned $400K for his 2013 bout against Curtis Stevens, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

You seem to doggedly maintain your stance that GGG was anonymous and being paid his worth by HBO/K2 from 2013 onwards, but the numbers tell a completely different story!

Yup there is no doubt that GGG was underpaid. I don't understand the hesitation of HBO to throw more money on such a great fighter like GGG after he fought Macklin or Stevens?! Language barrier? Not from a known country?

But also what it's interesting is after GGG fought Lemieux, the big fights came out?! Probably the views/demands were bigger?!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 11:16

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 10:58 They had to beg HBO to televize Golovkin vs Proksa. Only after somebody pulled out, HBO agreed to do that. They needed a few fights on HBO before they could demand more money. Besides, you don't know what their original contract with HBO was.
Maybe HBO put a cap on his purses. Don't compare a fighter from an obscure Kazakhstan barely speaking English with somebody like Broner who at the time many thought could be a new Mayweather.

Surely a fighters’ perceived worth is all about the amount of money he generates for his promoter and network?

Definitely not.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 11:16 A few more examples for you:

• Miguel Cotto earned $2.m for his 2013 bout against Delvin Rodriguez, which attracted 1.6m viewers on HBO.

• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. earned $2.5m for his 2013 bout against Bryan Vera, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

You are f*cking nuts thinking that 2013 Golovkin was worth the same as Cotto, Chavez Jr or Broner.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 16:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 11:16

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 10:58 They had to beg HBO to televize Golovkin vs Proksa. Only after somebody pulled out, HBO agreed to do that. They needed a few fights on HBO before they could demand more money. Besides, you don't know what their original contract with HBO was.
Maybe HBO put a cap on his purses. Don't compare a fighter from an obscure Kazakhstan barely speaking English with somebody like Broner who at the time many thought could be a new Mayweather.

Surely a fighters’ perceived worth is all about the amount of money he generates for his promoter and network?

Definitely not.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 11:16 A few more examples for you:

• Miguel Cotto earned $2.m for his 2013 bout against Delvin Rodriguez, which attracted 1.6m viewers on HBO.

• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. earned $2.5m for his 2013 bout against Bryan Vera, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

You are f*cking nuts thinking that 2013 Golovkin was worth the same as Cotto, Chavez Jr or Broner.

Out of curiosity what were ggg total viewers in the same time frame

tiny_acres wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 18:17

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 16:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 11:16

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 10:58 They had to beg HBO to televize Golovkin vs Proksa. Only after somebody pulled out, HBO agreed to do that. They needed a few fights on HBO before they could demand more money. Besides, you don't know what their original contract with HBO was.
Maybe HBO put a cap on his purses. Don't compare a fighter from an obscure Kazakhstan barely speaking English with somebody like Broner who at the time many thought could be a new Mayweather.

Surely a fighters’ perceived worth is all about the amount of money he generates for his promoter and network?

Definitely not.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 11:16 A few more examples for you:

• Miguel Cotto earned $2.m for his 2013 bout against Delvin Rodriguez, which attracted 1.6m viewers on HBO.

• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. earned $2.5m for his 2013 bout against Bryan Vera, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

You are f*cking nuts thinking that 2013 Golovkin was worth the same as Cotto, Chavez Jr or Broner.

Out of curiosity what were ggg total viewers in the same time frame

I provided GGG’s viewing figures in the original post that boxing rocks replied to (see my previous post in this thread or the quote below).

Boxing rocks cherry-picked specific sentences to attack and intentionally excluded some of the pertinent facts I’d detailed because he either couldn’t explain them or they didn’t adhere to his preferred perception of reality.

In fact, I’ve provided more than a dozen real-world factually-correct examples of fighters earning either the same or more than GGG, despite attracting smaller viewing figures in this thread, but boxing rocks ignores them all.

Boxing rocks is defending the honour or K2 & HBO, as if his life depended on it, even though they both clearly exploited him, but then he professes to being a GGG die-hard fan! Only a Golovkin hater would behave that way, surely?

Here's my original post in it's entirety, with the details the points that Boxing rocks excluded from his response, since he couldn't address these facts:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 11:16Surely a fighters’ perceived worth is all about the amount of money he generates for his promoter and network?

For a few years he attracted some of the sports’ biggest gate receipts and viewing figures, but he was being paid a hell of a lot less than his peers, who were attracting less viewers.

In 2013, Adrien Broner received about $3m for his 2.7m cable ratings. GGG commanded only $750K for his $2.5m. There was nothing obscure about Golovkin that year!

Surely the numbers must mean SOMETHING to you? Come on – they can’t be ignored!

A few more examples for you:

• Miguel Cotto earned $2.m for his 2013 bout against Delvin Rodriguez, which attracted 1.6m viewers on HBO.

• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. earned $2.5m for his 2013 bout against Bryan Vera, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

• Edwin Rodriguez was paid $600K and Denis Grachev was paid $400K for their 2013 bout, which was televised by HBO.

• Gennady Golovkin earned $400K for his 2013 bout against Curtis Stevens, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

You [boxing_rocks] seem to doggedly maintain your stance that GGG was anonymous and being paid his worth by HBO/K2 from 2013 onwards, but the numbers tell a completely different story!

There are rumours circulating the internet relating to Gennady Golovkin’s DAZN debut opponent, with Kamil Szeremeta and Brandon Adams claiming they've received offers from GGG.

I’d be extremely disappointed if Golovkin faces either of those unheralded guys.

However, I have no doubt that many of the same people who defended Sergey Kovalev's decision to face Vyacheslav Shabranskyy and Igor Mikhalkin, will also aggressively claim that the likes of Kamil Szeremeta and Brandon Adams are genuine world-beaters that thoroughly deserve the opportunity to share the ring with GGG.