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Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 14:23 All I know is, constant & unnecessary PPVs are definitely very damaging for the sport. I’ve definitely lost interest over the last couple of years if I’m honest - I just don’t have the money or inclination to buy Sky Sports plus BT Sports plus Sky PPV plus BT PPV plus ITV PPV. Maybe I’m just a casual now

Quite frankly, it's becoming an expensive addiction. 1,000/year or more if you get all the trimmings. Unsustainable model if you ask me.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 14:25

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 14:23 All I know is, constant & unnecessary PPVs are definitely very damaging for the sport. I’ve definitely lost interest over the last couple of years if I’m honest - I just don’t have the money or inclination to buy Sky Sports plus BT Sports plus Sky PPV plus BT PPV plus ITV PPV. Maybe I’m just a casual now

Quite frankly, it's becoming an expensive addiction. 1,000/year or more if you get all the trimmings. Unsustainable model if you ask me.

Just to follow the Japanese stuff, LEGALLY, you're looking at £300+, so if you want all the trimmings you're likely looking at £2k (Sky, BT, Isakura, Boxingraise, FITE PPV's, TFC TV), throw a VPN on top to watch some of the free but geolocked stuff as well...Awfully expensive

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 14:23 All I know is, constant & unnecessary PPVs are definitely very damaging for the sport. I’ve definitely lost interest over the last couple of years if I’m honest - I just don’t have the money or inclination to buy Sky Sports plus BT Sports plus Sky PPV plus BT PPV plus ITV PPV. Maybe I’m just a casual now

Me too,all in all sky,allong with warren and hearn has killed the sport. Well they have for us "casuals" lol

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:48

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:36

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Pretty much every major fight stream crashes as they do't have the bandwidth.

An official stream in HD with no buffering, pop-ups or crashing at the main event is worth a couple of quid of any serious fan's money.

Any serious fan is paying for fights they want to see.

Completely wrong. Particularly the £99/99p comment. Utter horse sh1t.

Eddie Hearn fooking over “his” company ‘s long-term business partner (Sky) to the benefit of his new business partner (DAZN) and then trying to blame it on market forces in the US, which Eddie is a significant player in driving. This must really stick in the throat of Barney Francis and Adam Smith and they must surely be wondering what sort of monster they have created.

It’s clear to see that Eddie has no real loyalty to Sky and it’s actually quite insulting of him to tell Sky to up their rights fees given that it is Sky who gave Eddie a monopoly, budget and platform to become a major promoter, which granted he has utterly maximised. Who needs enemies with friends like that springs to mind....

Eddie’s ambition is gonna cause a massive demise in his relationship with Sky unless he can reign in his US ambitions.

Personally, top British fighters fighting at 3 and 4am from America doesn’t do it for me and I can see myself starting to lose interest particularly if the British shows are basically full of fighters being built.

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 12:59

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:33

banjo wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:25

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Why not?

People are what they are.
The people that stream now will always stream if they can, doesn’t matter if it’s £99 or 99p

Explains why Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and Spotify are failing to attract customers i guess...

Do people no longer stream movies and shows via less than legit sites?

It doesn't help when boxers are demanding ridiculous fees either to be honest.

banjo wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 18:41 It doesn't help when boxers are demanding ridiculous fees either to be honest.

I really don’t believe they are, despite Hearn strongly suggesting they are. Hearn is the only one championing US fight purses, and continuously too. Let’s not forget that it’s Hearn’s new business partner, DAZN that have single handedly driven up the prices.

You’re actually repeating Hearn’s rhetoric. But the truth is; it’s Hearn who needs his UK fighters on DAZN because he’s struggled to sign high volume numbers of top level American fighters, which he thought he would do easy with DAZN’s financial clout.

There are patterns to Hearn’s behaviour whereby he plays on truths. And with his constant (near 24/7) access to and presence on media like IFL TV, BoxingSocial and Fight-Hype his words often become the believed and adopted narrative.

I remember the words of Ben Davison not long ago in relation to Hearn apparently being “unable” to secure Joshua an opponent for Wembley. He basically said that whilst Eddie Hearn can be very convincing, he wasn’t to be believed necessarily in what he puts out in the media. He specifically referenced that Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Dillian Whyte were all critical of Hearns’ offers and that they couldn’t do business with him, yet Fury and Wilder did business very easily. Interesting that the Wembley show collapse will have cost Sky an absolute fortune in potential PPV sales and gate receipts but will now benefit DAZN’s push for more subscribers at MSG versus Miller. I didn’t hear Joshua demanding to go fight in the US...

Dazn are vying to be the netflix of sport , not a bad move and really if its not DAZN it will be someone else , These people are not stupid they know its the future .

I take myself . for years and years , boxing nutcase , i would watch and pay for anything and everthing if it had boxing in it , But now Naaaw , STUFF EM ,,, i'M A STREAMER AND PROUD OF IT . do i feel bad that i'm streaming and probably taking a couple of quid out of AJ'S , Wilders , Canelo's pocket do i fook , do they feel bad charging 20-30-40- million to get in the ring and beat easy opponents , do they fook .

So they have a dillima , I and thousands no millions of others , will not pay to see Fury fight Schwarz , Wilder v Breazelle ,, or AJ ,, versus Miller ,, Why simply because its the best fighting anyone except each other .

So what do i do , its simple , when its a fight i think i don't want to miss , example Canelo - Golotkin 1 and 2 I buy the ppv . Fury v Wilder ,,AJ- Klitchko , i buy the ppv , WHY easy answer i don't want to miss it i don't want to risk a streaming site being overloaded shut down whatever reason i don't want to miss it .
,, Now a fight i know is a mismatch , know the winner before it starts , AJ -Miller ,, fURY -- sCHWATZ OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS , and countless others in fact the majority of fights , well do i care if i miss them NO , so i stream them if i lose the stream , not bothered go make a cup of tea and put netflix on , pick it up later on UTUBE if i can be bothered .

So the constant ducking , diving , manipulation of belts , holding back to marinate , has done what . its turned me a boxing fanatic into a casual watcher , How could they get me back , well the present way of subscribing to sky sports and then paying for rubbish mismatched fights certainly will not do it

But at the moment i subscribe to foxtel , which is not worth it but the missis loves her uk TV SO I'M FOOKED I'VE GOT TO PAY THE 70 DOLLARS A MONTH ,, but myself i quite happilly pay 10 dollars p/mth for Netflix and 10 dollars p/mth for Stan ,,

Why simple it gives me a contsant stream of good shows and movies , more than enough for me cos i'm not a tv addict so its worth it ,

Now if i had the option of DAZN for 10 bucks a month and i get every ppv included , well its a no brainer for 120 dollars a month i get it all I get Canelo - Golotkin , Fury -Wilder , i get the ones i want to watch , and the ones i don't care enough to buy .

Its a no Brainer , its the way of the future , Eddie knows this , he's not stupid , thats why he's aligning himself with them , first in best dressed scenario

ESPN+ is half the price with tons more content. Dazn won't ever come close to passing them here.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 18:32

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 12:59

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:33

banjo wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:25

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 11:11

G0mez wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 10:05

dbf wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 07:05 Hearn said something quite telling in an interview recently. He intimated that whilst Sky have been great partners to Matchroom the reverse was true too and that Matchroom were more valuable to Sky then Sky were to them. He sounded quite confident of that and also the tone suggested he was tired of people suggesting he was lucky to have the Sky contract. Hearn believes in the streaming model and its only a matter of time before DAZN launch in the UK and Hearn follows them. Do Matchroom have equity in DAZN? Is Hearn on the board etc??

At the end of the day, a lot of people who stream illegally would buy the genuine article if it was reasonably priced

Nope

Why not?

People are what they are.
The people that stream now will always stream if they can, doesn’t matter if it’s £99 or 99p

Explains why Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and Spotify are failing to attract customers i guess...

Do people no longer stream movies and shows via less than legit sites?

A much smaller number than did in a pre-streaming world. I suspect much of what is illegally streamed is due to it not being available on one of the services. I. E. New episodes of things not yet on a service

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 23:44 ESPN+ is half the price with tons more content. Dazn won't ever come close to passing them here.

And if it was available to me i would probably buy it , But at the moment here in Aust , its really pay your monthly subscribtion to foxtel , mines around 70 then the ppv usually around $49.95.

Me like i said unless its a real good fight i don't want to miss , i'll stream most boxing , and buy Dazn or whoever else comes in with a low ball offer . But paying twice for rubbish fights not happening

coneye wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 02:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 23:44 ESPN+ is half the price with tons more content. Dazn won't ever come close to passing them here.

And if it was available to me i would probably buy it , But at the moment here in Aust , its really pay your monthly subscribtion to foxtel , mines around 70 then the ppv usually around $49.95.

Me like i said unless its a real good fight i don't want to miss , i'll stream most boxing , and buy Dazn or whoever else comes in with a low ball offer . But paying twice for rubbish fights not happening

Why bother watching a fight at all if it’s rubbish and you don’t value it enough to buy it? Don’t you value your time?

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 03:33

coneye wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 02:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Mar 2019, 23:44 ESPN+ is half the price with tons more content. Dazn won't ever come close to passing them here.

And if it was available to me i would probably buy it , But at the moment here in Aust , its really pay your monthly subscribtion to foxtel , mines around 70 then the ppv usually around $49.95.

Me like i said unless its a real good fight i don't want to miss , i'll stream most boxing , and buy Dazn or whoever else comes in with a low ball offer . But paying twice for rubbish fights not happening

Why bother watching a fight at all if it’s rubbish and you don’t value it enough to buy it? Don’t you value your time?

Sometimes you get a decent fight on the undercard - or a random upset.

E.g. Khan vs Breidis Prescott

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 13:30 Sky only care about Joshua. Nobody else matters to them because nobody comes close to actual numbers which is what it’s all about.

Boxing is way down the list anyway, I’m sure they barely give a toss. Hopefully the exclusive Hearn deal is done soon and we get other promoters competing to get on the channel.

I used to like back in the day where most Fridays Sky did small hall shows. I had a lot of decent nights drinking beer and watching them.

ILikeBeer wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 06:01

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 13:30 Sky only care about Joshua. Nobody else matters to them because nobody comes close to actual numbers which is what it’s all about.

Boxing is way down the list anyway, I’m sure they barely give a toss. Hopefully the exclusive Hearn deal is done soon and we get other promoters competing to get on the channel.

I used to like back in the day where most Fridays Sky did small hall shows. I had a lot of decent nights drinking beer and watching them.

The days when Takaloo defended his WBU title live on Sky on Friday night and signed on in Margate on Wednesday morning

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 06:26

ILikeBeer wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 06:01

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 13:30 Sky only care about Joshua. Nobody else matters to them because nobody comes close to actual numbers which is what it’s all about.

Boxing is way down the list anyway, I’m sure they barely give a toss. Hopefully the exclusive Hearn deal is done soon and we get other promoters competing to get on the channel.

I used to like back in the day where most Fridays Sky did small hall shows. I had a lot of decent nights drinking beer and watching them.

The days when Takaloo defended his WBU title live on Sky on Friday night and signed on in Margate on Wednesday morning

The absolute glory years of British boxing!!

I miss Sky sports Friday fight nights. Nearly 10 years since Moore - Rhodes. Jamie Moore fights in general. Hennessy shows (his good days) Maloney shows. The odd Hatton show.

Glass Joe wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 16:20 I miss Sky sports Friday fight nights. Nearly 10 years since Moore - Rhodes. Jamie Moore fights in general. Hennessy shows (his good days) Maloney shows. The odd Hatton show.

10 years that’s obscene. Friday night fights were the fckin best. Cracking British title fights.

If I were Sky I'd be dubious of this. Eddie is on a cut of the "show" as far as i know so if Sky have to pay more, doesn't this mean Eddie makes more too ? How about Eddie takes less ?!?!

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 17:55

Glass Joe wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 16:20 I miss Sky sports Friday fight nights. Nearly 10 years since Moore - Rhodes. Jamie Moore fights in general. Hennessy shows (his good days) Maloney shows. The odd Hatton show.

10 years that’s obscene. Friday night fights were the fckin best. Cracking British title fights.

Yes absolutely! Remember coming back from the pub absolutely soszled, collapsing in bed and watching mad fights through a drunken haze! The glory days. How time flies. Too quick.