ESPN: 3rd Test failed By Miller!!

[Rob3_142]

On your two points:

1. Yes I agree, there should be greater transparency on who takes what. That being said, there is 100% transparency to the regulators and organisations. In the grand scheme of things, public opinion is pretty irrelevant (usually the public are not educated enough to understand the information objectively).

2. There is clear transparency in the process of obtaining TUE's, you just have to do a little research (I can assure you a google search will do half the work for you).

[greg]

On your two points:

1. Yes I agree, there should be greater transparency on who takes what. That being said, there is 100% transparency to the regulators and organisations. In the grand scheme of things, public opinion is pretty irrelevant (usually the public are not educated enough to understand the information objectively).

In this particular case, I was thinking of a published list of sportmen/women to know if they have/had legal access to medication that might improve their performance. I don't pretend to understand all the details nor do I want to in most cases, I just like to know if this sportsman who won this olympic medal achieved it on his own or resorted to the usage of legally prescribed medication.

2. There is clear transparency in the process of obtaining TUE's, you just have to do a little research (I can assure you a google search will do half the work for you).

.."transparency" being the wrong word I used...it seems that the process of obtaining medicinal exemptions largely depends on the integrity of your general practitioner around the corner. I guess I have my reservations whether he/she is always up to the task...

[SenorPipino]

Fans always want to believe. There are people who think Manny was clean. Hell, there are a few fanatics that think povetkin was clean! Once you get popped with gear you have to shoot, even the most naive have to accept it.

Well Manny has never tested positive. That's the standard.

A lot of insinuations about him as there are about plenty fighters. But he's never failed a drug test.

What are you going to do? Put a guy in jail just because you don't believe him, despite no hard blood evidence?

[Onetimeonly]

Well Manny has never tested positive. That's the standard.

A lot of insinuations about him as there are about plenty fighters. But he's never failed a drug test.

What are you going to do? Put a guy in jail just because you don't believe him, despite no hard blood evidence?

No, holy field and Mosley have never failed tests either.

[SenorPipino]

No, holy field and Mosley have never failed tests either.

And neither ever received suspensions.

Different era.

I think Mosley 'fessed up. He said publically that he used unknowingly.

But also reportedly told a grand jury that he injected himself with EPO.

[oogiebe]

And neither ever received suspensions.

Different era.

I think Mosley 'fessed up. He said publically that he used unknowingly.

But also reportedly told a grand jury that he injected himself with EPO.

I have little doubt that Holyfield was juiced. His transformation to HW was incredible.

[SenorPipino]

I have little doubt that Holyfield was juiced. His transformation to HW was incredible.

Probably.

And a lot of hair loss quickly.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Back then HW’s weighed around 220 anyway

[Onetimeonly]

And neither ever received suspensions.

Different era.

I think Mosley 'fessed up. He said publically that he used unknowingly.

But also reportedly told a grand jury that he injected himself with EPO.

I didn't call for PAC to be suspended. His use was as obvious as the other two. Shane had to admit it.

[tiny_acres]

Probably.

And a lot of hair loss quickly.

I wish since he is retired now that he'd write a book about his usage.
He'd make a fortune as I'm sure it would be a success. He could explain what damages it has done long term

[Lackeos]

No he does deserve some credit.
Who else has owned up to it?
None that I remember.
I'll give him props for confessing.
But I would never want to see him get another shot

Larry Olubamiwo confessed as well. And it's the ones who confess who paradoxically get vilified the hardest.

[Lackeos]

No, holy field and Mosley have never failed tests either.

Holyfield and Mosley both turned-up as Balco customers. Pacquiao wasn't caught purchasing PED's. Pacquiao wasn't caught doing anything with PED's. All you have is unjustified suspicion.

[oogiebe]

Larry Olubamiwo confessed as well. And it's the ones who confess who paradoxically get vilified the hardest.

Someone 'confessing' after being caught (three times) doesn't get extra points. It's an empty apology. More like a desperate attempt for forgiveness.

[ewenhay]

Someone 'confessing' after being caught (three times) doesn't get extra points. It's an empty apology. More like a desperate attempt for forgiveness.

Exactly. It's the act of a desperate man trying to get as short a suspension as possible

[tiny_acres]

Larry Olubamiwo confessed as well. And it's the ones who confess who paradoxically get vilified the hardest.

I i wasn't aware he confessed.
I know they suck for cheating but I'm glad at least 2 can own up to their illegal behavior

[oogiebe]

Exactly. It's the act of a desperate man trying to get as short a suspension as possible

I say screw him.

[ewenhay]

I say screw him.

Yep.

3 failed tests for 3 different substances including epo and the despicable drug that is hgh.

2 year ban should be the absolute minimum.

[Nightmare Roy]

He was very fast for a fatty, now we know why, all that shit he talked about AJ using peds, what a bell end

[oogiebe]

Yep.

3 failed tests for 3 different substances including epo and the despicable drug that is hgh.

2 year ban should be the absolute minimum.

Two years would end his run altogether. Boxing needs to make a statement if we are to have any hope of curtailing drug cheats.

[ewenhay]

Two years would end his run altogether. Boxing needs to make a statement if we are to have any hope of curtailing drug cheats.

Agreed. 6 month backdated bans certainly haven't been a deterrent.

[oogiebe]

Miller is now saying that reactions to his drug failure is racist. His promoter also said that she is being targeted because she is a woman in a male dominated sport.

You just can't make this shvt up. Ban him for life!

[greg]

Agreed. 6 month backdated bans certainly haven't been a deterrent.

..not only it is NOT a deterrent, it most likely makes it worthwhile to take a risk..

[SenorPipino]

I didn't call for PAC to be suspended. His use was as obvious as the other two. Shane had to admit it.

Well I won't convict people in either in the justice system or boxing if there's no concrete evidence to judge them guilty .

If someone never tests positive, I'll go with that. It does no good to vigorously point fingers at certain fighters, but present absolutely no proof.

Just a hunch, just a suspicion doesn't cut it.

[Lackeos]

Ban him for life!

A common reaction to the people who confess to using PED's.

... But not for the people who get caught using PED's and deny it.

[chuck9788]

Miller is now saying that reactions to his drug failure is racist.

Jack Johnson (a truly oppressed individual) is turning in his grave.