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safe to say Wilder will nail AJ but not sure he can keep him down !

depending on the location it will be a points decision for Joshua!

I got AJ..

i would think that aj would have the defense and technique to set wilder up and flatten him.
as mentioned wilder really is a special talent. that level of punching power at heavyweight, ruthlessness, despite a lack of deep skills. he could be one of the biggest punchers ever.

i'm sure we'd like to see a back and forth contest, like a foreman-lyle, with heart and instincts playing a decisive role.
and if it was fun, why not see it twice, or thrice.
hopefully they strike whilst the iron is hot, and make this fight, as it is at its peak interest right now.
saying that, i'd still love to see fury-wilder 2, and fury-aj, along with everybody else.

Wilder will win by brutal KO IN 7

Relax kids. Wilder has power but that was a counter punch yesterday and counters always look more impressive than a cannon blast.

AJ has zero talent or natural boxing IQ, ability or ringsense. BUT, he is naturally strong, athletic and DETERMINED. He is confident based on ignorance... kudos to him for such belief. Deontay has ZERO skills or awareness or ring craft, BUT, he is "gifted" with one-punch KO power, is quick and so fearful that he fights on desperation mode from bell to bell.... he'll get the KO in the early going as AJ's EGO will try to "walk him down" and DW will get the KO most likely in the process of moving backwards or running scared and lashing out a desperate, winging right hand. Heavyweight is currently at an ALL-TIME LOW in terms of "actual" skills, smarts or experience. That being said, I enjoy watching both DW and AJ, lots of heart and cojones on both these dudes. Tyson Fury is superior to both these fellas, even though he has ZERO natural athletic gifts OR talent. He's smart and he maximizes his skills in conjunction with his size.
Tony Tubbs or Greg Page or Tyrell Biggs would be looking like the 3 GOATS if they were around in this era vs this era of heavies.

Anthony Joshua was only 26½ years of age, having competed in only 16 pro bouts of a career that was 2½ years old, whilst competing in only his second world title fight, faced and dominated an unbeaten Dominic Breazeale during 2016. At that point in time, the Brits’ career status more resembled Efe Ajagba’s current situation than today’s version of Wilder.

In stark contrast, Deontay was 33 years of age, competing in his 42nd bout of a professional career spanning 10½ years, whilst engaging in his tenth world title fight against Dominic Breazeale (a man that had already tasted defeat and had previously faced monumental struggles to defeat opponents that weren’t world-rated).

So we didn’t learn anything new last weekend. Wilder is vulnerable, lacks skill, is defensively irresponsible, but is clearly capable of scoring devastating one-punch KO’s over anyone.

I’d still consider AJ the favourite to win this fight. The American might be capable of scoring the upset, if he can somehow manage to land one of his lucky lottery-winning crude haymakers, but the Brit has the edge in most other areas.

I actually believe that if Wilder adopts a similar game-plan to the one he employed for the Luis Ortiz bout, then he loses rather badly against AJ, since I don’t expect the Brit to run out of gas like the Cuban did.

In order for ‘The Bronze Bomber’ to stand any chance of scoring the upset, he has to throw caution to the wind and attack Joshua with reckless abandon from the get-go, much akin to the legendary Hagler-Hearns bout.

The problem is that AJ always gets hit and here thats game over. Wilders one trick is landing that nuke right hand and he uses his left to blind his opponent or pull on his guard. Thtas not too hard agains Joshua.

BUT if Joshua can pin him down and work the body I can see him win. Joshuas biggest edge is his strength. He is technically better but his style is perfectly countered by wilders i think. Wilder is lacking to the body and in short range and that is the place to play for AJ.

I don't think AJ's defense is good enough to avoid Wilder's sledgehammer of a right hand for 12 rounds. I'll have to go with Deontay. Should be an amazing fight if it ever happens.

JohnMcMinn wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 12:06 I don't think AJ's defense is good enough to avoid Wilder's sledgehammer of a right hand for 12 rounds. I'll have to go with Deontay. Should be an amazing fight if it ever happens.

It's not. But Wilder's terrible fundamentals and awful accuracy gives Joshua far more opportunities to land the big shots during those 12 rounds.

Wilder isn't good enough to avoid Joshua's shots either. Nor can he take the best of them.

Wilder wins only if he can land a huge shot within the first 3 rounds. If he's relying just on sometime over the 12, then Joshua sends him to sleep first.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 16:08 It's not. But Wilder's terrible fundamentals and awful accuracy gives Joshua far more opportunities to land the big shots during those 12 rounds.

Wilder isn't good enough to avoid Joshua's shots either. Nor can he take the best of them.

Wilder wins only if he can land a huge shot within the first 3 rounds. If he's relying just on sometime over the 12, then Joshua sends him to sleep first.

Wilder has the skill to quickly deliver his one-two. and he punches through his opponent. He's also faster than AJ. AJ is the better overall fighter, but I don't see this as clear cut either way.

the whole 'aj cant avoid that power forever' stuff thats around so regularly assumes that he cant get to dw first. they can stop each other

..it doesn't really matter who's got the biggest punch..both are heavy hitters..the difference between AJ and Wilder being that you take this punch away from Wilder and there'll be not much left..you take it away from AJ and he is still capable of outboxing you and winning on points...

greg wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 17:17 ..it doesn't really matter who's got the biggest punch..both are heavy hitters..the difference between AJ and Wilder being that you take this punch away from Wilder and there'll be not much left..you take it away from AJ and he is still capable of outboxing you and winning on points...

Well, Wilder does have that punch, and frankly, he's better than most give him credit for. It's a 50/50 fight.

55-45 aj

jamamb wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 17:5455-45 aj

50.75-49.25 Wilder

I agree that Wilder has no chance of winning a decision. But AJ has no head movement. If he takes the number of punches that he took in the early rounds against Povetkin it’s lights out.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 16:12 Wilder has the skill to quickly deliver his one-two. and he punches through his opponent. He's also faster than AJ. AJ is the better overall fighter, but I don't see this as clear cut either way.

I tend to agree. AJ is the better boxer but while I saw him as a clearcut favorite before Wilder KOd Breazeale I think Deontay's performance closed the gap somewhat. Not because the KO came so quickly compared to AJ vs Breazeale but because Wilder was throwing straighter punches vs Dominic than he did vs Ortiz or Fury. DW did get sloppy and reverted to roundhouse, wild punches when he backed DB into the corner, but the finishing punch was straight down the pike!!

Wilder will need straight shots like that to hurt or stop Joshua but I still have AJ a slight favorite. Joshua can win by decision or KO while DW needs a KO because I dont think he can outbox AJ.

wilder actually tends to keep it straight a lot off the time. the windmills come when hes hurt his man...instict comes in and he loses the technique drilled into him

fury, ortiz, szpilka, stiverne..,washington, breazeale, etc... straight right hands were the big moment to either kick it off or finish it right away. but if he doesnt end it straight away on the first big shot he then gets real wild

Tyson Fury today claims the earliest date his rematch will happen against Deontay Wilder will be March or April 2020. I can only assume this bout will include an immediate rematch clause for one of the competitors or perhaps it’ll be a two-fight deal, regardless the outcome.

This means that AJ is unlikely to receive an opportunity to face Fury or Wilder until 2021.

There's a possibility that Deontay Wilder may already be past-his-prime, perhaps 36 years of age, by the time he eventually manages to share the ring with Anthony Joshua.

There might not be any appetite from fight fans to see this bout if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ has already tasted defeat in his rematches against Tyson Fury.

Wilder fights twice per year and his next bout is supposedly against Luis Ortiz, which means the American almost certainly won’t be facing either Fury or AJ before the end of the current calendar year.

What’s really strange is that four weeks ago Eddie Hearn correctly predicted that Deontay Wilder’s next opponent was Luis Ortiz. The Matchroom boss then claimed that this bout would be followed-up with ‘The Bronze Bomber’ making another voluntary defence against Adam Kownacki at the beginning of 2020, which would delay the Fury rematch by another six months or so (assuming Eddie's claisms are true).

This means that Wilder's schedule is already full for 2019 & 2020. So I reckon he won't consider facing AJ until the second half of 2021.

jamamb wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 16:31 the whole 'aj cant avoid that power forever' stuff thats around so regularly assumes that he cant get to dw first. they can stop each other

That's right. And Wilder isn't that hard to hit.

1 round blow out either way, I suspect Wilder takes it, he's much less stiff than AJ.

Ricky wrote: ↑21 May 2019, 11:17 1 round blow out either way, I suspect Wilder takes it, he's much less stiff than AJ.

is he defensively better then aj. is that what being less stiff translates to?

jamamb wrote: ↑21 May 2019, 11:50 is he defensively better then aj

Neither of them are great in that regard and open to counters imo. Even vs Breazeale DW got caught trying to pour it on. It was actually like the Ortiz fight crammed into 1 round.

Ricky wrote: ↑21 May 2019, 11:54 Neither of them are great in that regard and open to counters imo. Even vs Breazeale DW got caught trying to pour it on. It was actually like the Ortiz fight crammed into 1 round.

Someone here on boxrec had suggested beforehand that Breazeale could try acting hurt to lure Wilder in. I don't think Breazeale was pretending but nevertheless it did result in DW abandoning any attempt at defence as he lunged in after the hurt Breazeale.

If Breazeale had got more on his counter or the follow up...

Even as it was Breazeale was getting back in the fight when suddenly his world turned black. As it has done for virtually everyone who's shared a ring with him.

Wilder's fights are almost all knife edged and double sided. That's why Wilder is the most exciting fighter out there right now. That's also why his opponents are carefully matched.

There's definitely a touch of Thomas Hearns about Wilder, and the way he lights up the division. Who knows what he can do? Maybe next time he'll surprise us with his speed, reach and jab and outbox his opponent over 12.

Or maybe he won't.

Either way, there's no such thing as a boring Deontay Wilder fight.