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Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 21 May 2019, 20:54
by fanman
the first fight was very good, so why not a second. that is if fury or joshua fights cant be made.
i agree that it looks to be more favouring wilder this time.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 21 May 2019, 21:04
by oogiebe
fanman wrote: ↑21 May 2019, 20:54
the first fight was very good, so why not a second. that is if fury or joshua fights cant be made.
i agree that it looks to be more favouring wilder this time.
Kownacki is a fresh face to pummel.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 21 May 2019, 21:15
by Onetimeonly
I've got no interest in that. This was a really good fight. I'd be more up for it if Ortiz didn't look like the Simpsons when homer ate himself into disability and wore a moomoo
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 22 May 2019, 17:04
by funso banjo baby
Wilder v Ortiz 2 is a decent fight
if Team Wilder don't want Fury or AJ the only other excellent option is Whyte
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 02:53
by Bjl12
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 12:12
These kinda fights, no. Wilder was a clear winner. Wilder weathered the storm, Ortiz got a little tired.
Sometimes, if it's a few years down the line, it's okay.
In Wilder's case, every boxer, bar Fury, cannot claim they're owed a rematch. Because they got stopped.
Ortiz basically had Wilder out on his feet in the 1st fight. A rematch is fine.
The real shame is that Ortiz passed up $6-7 million for an AJ match.. ..beat AJ and you hold considerable leverage gainst Deontay/Fury...instead he'll get paid less against Deontay - a guy whose already stopped him.
And even if Ortiz does beat Deontay a trilogy is all but certain to happen which would be fun in those circumstances.
I guess Ortiz is banking on winning the Deontay rematch which means hes betting on himself...but he didnt bet on himself to make MORE $$ against AJ. Speaks volumes to me
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 02:56
by Bjl12
Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑21 May 2019, 20:23
No need for Wilder-Ortiz II. Ortiz is getting old, past age 40 if I remember correctly.
The fights we want are Fury-Wilder II, Fury-Joshua and best of all, Joshua-Wilder.
Honestly Ortiz can improve in a rematch. So can Deontay obviously, but Ortiz is the better rounded boxer with the Olympic pedigree.
The age factor is big though
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 02:59
by jamamb
ortiz never made the olympics, deontay won bronze though after only starting boxing 3 years before, pretty remarkable
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 03:02
by bluegloves
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:51
What’s the common denominator between the following fighters that Deontay Wilder successfully defeated in world title fights: Bermane Stiverne (twice); Eric Molina; Artur Szpilka; Chris Arreola; Gerald Washington; Dominic Breazeale; and Luis Ortiz (twice - TBC)?
They’re all PBC fighters.
Wilder is facing Ortiz again, because it ensures the WBC title remains with an in-house PBC fighter. It's necessary for that reason alone.
‘The Bronze Bomber’ will continue engaging in world title fights against fellow PBC stablemates for as long as Mauricio Sulaiman and Al Haymon remain on good terms.
The WBC will never force Wilder to face Dillian Whyte (unless the Brit signs with the PBC). And they will never instate Anthony Joshua as the mandatory challenger for Deontay’s title (like they did with Kovalev versus Stevenson).
great analysis
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 04:03
by Thomastearns
More to the point is, just who is the safest opponent for Wilder to face before Joshua or Fury again? Luis Ortiz looks the most sellable.
Given he went life and death last time with Ortiz, this still a tricky one for Wilder. Just a shame that Ortiz didn't have enough time to get clean to face Joshua.
At least we'll get to see the new back to basics reconstructed improved Deontay Wilder again.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 04:18
by Bjl12
jamamb wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 02:59
ortiz never made the olympics, deontay won bronze though after only starting boxing 3 years before, pretty remarkable
Thanks for correcting me
For some reason thought Ortiz was the Olympic guy and not Deontay
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 05:06
by joshj909
jamamb wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 02:59
ortiz never made the olympics,
deontay won bronze though after only starting boxing 3 years before, pretty remarkable
I'm always quite surprised by this. Has anyone watched enough of his amateur footage to tell me how he fights compared to now? because I can't imagine how style would translate to amateur boxing very well.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 06:15
by Enlightened-One
joshj909 wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 05:06
I'm always quite surprised by this. Has anyone watched enough of his amateur footage to tell me how he fights compared to now? because I can't imagine how style would translate to amateur boxing very well.
Have you ever heard of Mohamed Arjaoui and Abdelaziz Toulbini? What have these guys accomplished? Those are the guys he beat to make it through to the Olympic semi-finals. The luck of the draw.
That might sound harsh considering I've never heard of these guys, but my questions are valid.
And let’s not forget that Deontay Wilder only competed as a heavyweight during the 2008 Olympics, where most of the competitors never achieved anything of note in the pro ranks.
In stark contrast, the super-heavyweight division for the same tournament was stacked with talent, because the competitors included names like: Zhang Zhilei, Roberto Cammarelle, Kubrat Pulev, Óscar Rivas, Vyacheslav Glazkov, Robert Alfonso and David Price.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 23 May 2019, 19:42
by Bjl12
joshj909 wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 05:06
I'm always quite surprised by this. Has anyone watched enough of his amateur footage to tell me how he fights compared to now? because I can't imagine how style would translate to amateur boxing very well.
IIRC Deontay was KO'd during the amateurs. It's pretty hard to get KO'd in the amateurs with fewer rounds and headgear
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8C24O1F_t_Q
He's gotten through every test in the pros though except for Fury. Fury did win that fight.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 24 May 2019, 02:11
by joshj909
Bjl12 wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 19:42
IIRC Deontay was KO'd during the amateurs. It's pretty hard to get KO'd in the amateurs with fewer rounds and headgear
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8C24O1F_t_Q
He's gotten through every test in the pros though except for Fury. Fury did win that fight.
I've seen that. Romanov is ranked #10 with the WBO, hopefully we can see if he can't do that in the pros aswell soon. You'd think Wilder is the kinda person who would want revenge. Atleast it's a sellable narrative.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 24 May 2019, 03:03
by ClivePatrickLyons
Its a Jive fight or a bullsh.t go we already seen this and Ortiz now in his 40s i wont be watching a rematch that l know Ortiz has little chance of improving on the first fight and actually win the rematch he can have another good couple of rounds like round 8 in the first go it wont matter because Ortiz will never beat Wilder over the age of 40.
Re: Wilder vs. Ortiz II...is it at all necessary?
Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 21:28
by marvelous marv