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jamamb wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 02:53 i think a lot of ppl have said breazeale is crappy for a while, not just suddenly after the weekend. i recall seeing it on forums for a long time, since he arguably got a lucky decision vs kassi at least. the reality is though he was a legit top 10 fighter still

Also he looked poor against Amir Mansour. Was losing that too.

Best Coast wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 02:36 Good one amigo!!

Wilder-bashing will never stop...no matter what he does.

Deontay Wilder and AJ were both Olympic medallists and 23 years of age when they made their pro debut.

Anthony Joshua was only 26½ years of age when he performed the very first defence of his IBF world heavyweight title against the undefeated Dominic Breazeale during his 17th outing. This was 995 days after the Brit made his pro debut (a career spanning roughly 2½ years).

When Deontay Wilder was 26½ years of age, he faced Owen Beck during his 23rd outing. The Bronze Bomber’s opponent had tasted defeat in all seven of his previous outings (six of those losses coming by way of KO). The Jamaican journeyman hadn't won a fight for almost three years.

Deontay Wilder’s 17th opponent was Damon Reed, a man that has tasted defeat twenty times and has been KO’d on thirteen separate occasions, having lost four of his previous six outings (three of those defeats came by way of stoppage) prior to facing the Bronze Bomber.

After competing in the pro ranks for 1,016 days, Deontay Wilder faced Dominique Alexander, a man that has tasted defeat eighteen times and has been KO’d on sixteen separate occasions, having lost four of his previous five outings (all stoppage defeats) prior to facing the Bronze Bomber.

Deontay Wilder was 33 years of age, competing in his 42nd bout of a professional career spanning 10½ years, whilst engaging in his tenth world title fight, at the time he faced Dominic Breazeale (a man that had already tasted defeat and had previously faced monumental struggles to defeat opponents that weren’t world-rated, whilst having hit the deck on numerous occasions).

AJ faced Dominic Breazeale almost three years ago and has subsequently performed five world title defences, against former world champions (such as Wladimir Klitschko, Alexander Povetkin and Joseph Parker), as well as adding the WBA & WBO world titles to the IBF strap he initially captured in 2016.

Deontay Wilder performed only his second mandatory defence of his WBC championship last weekend, against Dominic Breazeale, despite initially capturing his world title almost 4½ years ago.

Fans of the American might not like what I’ve written, but they can’t refute the accuracy of any of the above sentences.

It doesn't take a novel to convince anyone that Josh stepped up sooner and has a better resume than wilder. You must be one of those guys walking around a train station constantly mumbling to themselves.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 10:23 It doesn't take a novel to convince anyone that Josh stepped up sooner and has a better resume than wilder. You must be one of those guys walking around a train station constantly mumbling to themselves.

or most matters.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 10:23 It doesn't take a novel to convince anyone that Josh stepped up sooner and has a better resume than wilder. You must be one of those guys walking around a train station constantly mumbling to themselves.

The point I’ve made is that a lot of people were impressed by Wilder’s performance last weekend, where they feel the discrepancy in talent between himself and AJ has either narrowed or they may even now favour ‘The Bronze Bomber’.

However, the very same individuals also forget that AJ was a novice when he dominated and stopped Dominic Breazeale almost three years ago.

I also wanted to remind people of the type of opposition Wilder was facing when he was engaging in his 17th bout, after being a pro for only 2½ years and at the tender age of 26½ years old.

And I illustrated the point by listing facts - not waffle, lots and lots of facts!

People evaluate and perform comparisons between AJ & Wilder’s performances against Dominic Breazeale without taking into consideration the context of those bouts.

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 10:28 or most matters.

Agreed, certainly none of his are worth a read.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 10:29 The point I’ve made is that a lot of people were impressed by Wilder’s performance last weekend, where they feel the discrepancy in talent between himself and AJ has either narrowed or they may even now favour ‘The Bronze Bomber’.

However, the very same individuals also forget that AJ was a novice when he dominated and stopped Dominic Breazeale almost three years ago.

I also wanted to remind people of the type of opposition Wilder was facing when he was engaging in his 17th bout, after being a pro for only 2½ years and at the tender age of 26½ years old.

And I illustrated the point by listing facts - not waffle, lots and lots of facts!

People evaluate and perform comparisons between AJ & Wilder’s performances against Dominic Breazeale without taking into consideration the context of those bouts.

What does any of this have to do with the TV attendance on Saturday night or the result of the fight?

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 14:40 What does any of this have to do with the TV attendance on Saturday night or the result of the fight?

Only a remote link to the thread title. My post was more in relation to comments submitted in this thread.

To correct myself though. Wilder faced an opponent AJ beat as a novice and no wonder the audience figures were low.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 14:48 Only a remote link to the thread title. My post was more in relation to comments submitted in this thread.

To correct myself though. Wilder faced an opponent AJ beat as a novice and no wonder the audience figures were low.

AJ/Breazeale did around 300k views on Showtime during the day.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 14:48 Only a remote link to the thread title. My post was more in relation to comments submitted in this thread.

To correct myself though. Wilder faced an opponent AJ beat as a novice and no wonder the audience figures were low.

You can't really compare the two fights though. Do you think Joshua would knock Breazeale out in the first round?

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 15:05 You can't really compare the two fights though. Do you think Joshua would knock Breazeale out in the first round?

Can you please review my previous comments about the matter in this thread?

The main point I’ve tried to raise is that Wilder’s performance can’t be compared to AJ’s, because of context.