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samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:30 Like saying his big following is over immediately.

Lol, do you have a beef with me?

I think his casual fanbase will suffer yes, but I accept that is unproven til he fights next

ewenhay wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:32 Lol, do you have a beef with me?

I think his casual fanbase will suffer yes, but I accept that is unproven til he fights next

Not at all

samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:29 Joshua boxed smart and got away then stopped him. He was fantastic that night, as much as he we was getting done last weekend.

You may be right. I respectfully disagree and think Wlad miscalculated

tobyh5 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:36 You may be right. I respectfully disagree and think Wlad miscalculated

Wlad didn't seem to have the gas to put it on AJ after the knockdown. Certainly not like Ruiz did. Oh those temple shots!

dr_devious wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:08 Not sure about that. He's only been down before against Vlad and that was via a punch that would have knocked anybody down and he got back up to win.

He was hurt a few times, stopped in the ams. Wlad fought like an idiot with a man ready to be taken out in front of him. Whyte had him all over the place and Whyte was sloppy as hell. He was rocked against Povetkin twice. And we saw how he crumbled vs Ruiz.

In saying all that, he got into trouble in the fight vs Ruiz when he was throwing hooks and getting countered. Although I think Ruiz actually had the skills to just come forward and throw caution to the wind and outman him with handspeed at pretty much any time. Ruiz is a very cautious fighter usually, doesn't take any undue risks. Joshua you could argue won 1,2,4,5 purely off the back of nothing much happening at all and Ruiz allowing himself to get outworked. If Joshua came in and fought with a 12 round gameplan to literally maintain distance with straight shots and not throw his poor lead left hook vs a sharper crisper left hooker, he has somewhat of a chance but his defence is pretty porous and he's going to get clipped over the top with something at some stage. He also doesn't have the ring IQ or maturity to do a Lewis vs Tua. Lewis took a lot of stick for that fight but he's not being remembered for being starched by Tua is he? And for my money Tua would run through Andy Ruiz. I can't imagine a more favourable style for Tua, a guy coming right at him willing exchange hooks. I know Ibeabuchi was able to hang with Tua fighting that fight but he showed an ATG chin and arguably got brain damage in the fight. And he wasn't really fighting like Ruiz fights, he was able to sit on Tuas chest and slow the pace down. Ruiz hasn't got that kind of skillset.

Joshua sparked Dill clean out, TKO Wlad and the only man to stop Povetkin. Stop with this nonsense.

He was rocked by Whyte in the second round but he was hardly all over the place. I wasnt aware hed been stopped in the ams and yes he was rocked a couple of times by Povetkin. You're right he's not exactly Oliver McCall and his form is dipping badly. If there was something amiss before the Ruiz fight then he can definitely win the rematch otherwise its likely to be another loss on the record

samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 18:47 Joshua sparked Dill clean out, TKO Wlad and the only man to stop Povetkin. Stop with this nonsense.

Your comment brings to mind the phrase; history is written by the winner.

Yes, the three fights you referenced above ended exactly as youve described. But each of those fights didn’t last 5 seconds, did they? The results don’t tell the full story. There were massive alarm bells regarding Joshua’s durability firstly against Whyte and secondly against Wlad.

Upon being tagged by both men, Joshua instantly became a gassed out lumbering target. He did great to get the wins but Wlad especially, massively fucked up by not taking out Joshua. If you’re unsure of this then please re-watch the Wlad fight. It really is quite alarming and equally as obvious. No doubts. Joshua was a stoppage waiting to happen and this was also recently affirmed by Adam Smith in an IFL TV video.

The comparison to Bruno is a natural one. Both are tremendous physical specimens with decent power and presence. But when they are tagged, they almost turn to stone and present themselves as a sitting duck with an inability to hold. They both have vulnerability.

I’m no hater of Joshua, he comes across as a decent guy and has achieved so much. I don’t believe him to be a corporate, well-trained robot. Instead, I think he is just an honest and decent guy who probably doesn’t really have the nastiness that I think someone like Wilder possesses.

liamlion wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 19:30 Your comment brings to mind the phrase; history is written by the winner.

Yes, the three fights you referenced above ended exactly as youve described. But each of those fights didn’t last 5 seconds, did they? The results don’t tell the full story. There were massive alarm bells regarding Joshua’s durability firstly against Whyte and secondly against Wlad.

Upon being tagged by both men, Joshua instantly became a gassed out lumbering target. He did great to get the wins but Wlad especially, massively fucked up by not taking out Joshua. If you’re unsure of this then please re-watch the Wlad fight. It really is quite alarming and equally as obvious. No doubts. Joshua was a stoppage waiting to happen and this was also recently affirmed by Adam Smith in an IFL TV video.

The comparison to Bruno is a natural one. Both are tremendous physical specimens with decent power and presence. But when they are tagged, they almost turn to stone and present themselves as a sitting duck with an inability to hold. They both have vulnerability.

I’m no hater of Joshua, he comes across as a decent guy and has achieved so much. I don’t believe him to be a corporate, well-trained robot. Instead, I think he is just an honest and decent guy who probably doesn’t really have the nastiness that I think someone like Wilder possesses.

Dill and Wlad landed huge KO shots on him, if you're unsure of this then please re-watch the fights.

Its heavyweight boxing anyone can get knocked out, might be a cliche but it's true.

samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:15 Why didn't a man of such experience as Wlad finish him off then?

Maybe the fact that he had experienced over 41 years on the planet meant he wasn't at his peak.

Exactly, he was an old man who looked great but you can't fool Father Time
If he had been 10 years younger he would have stopped Joshua

BigDoofus wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 03:50 Maybe the fact that he had experienced over 41 years on the planet meant he wasn't at his peak.

Maybe the fact that wlad hadn't gone for a ko in a decade?

section4 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 04:37 Exactly, he was an old man who looked great but you can't fool Father Time
If he had been 10 years younger he would have stopped Joshua

. . . and Fury.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 07:23 Maybe the fact that wlad hadn't gone for a ko in a decade?

Yep. Hilarious how people thought Wlad not going in for the kill was a function of his age and not the fact his style had been remodelled specifically NOT to do that.

wlad looked great in that fight, people just refuse to notice and instead get shortcircuited by stats about old people

If I had a pound for every time I heard that Joshua had been knocked down or out in sparring I’d go on a bender.

samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 18:47 Joshua sparked Dill clean out, TKO Wlad and the only man to stop Povetkin. Stop with this nonsense.

Whyte lit him up to the head and body, he was just too small. He's physically more powerful and would make short work of Joshua now.

Joshua was saved by the bell against a geriatric Wladimir who was well past it. If the timing was stil there for Wlad he would have caught AJ with that left hook he threw as AJ was falling to his arse, and that would've been that.

Povetkin was just another yesterday's man, a 40 year old still clinging on to the last breath of his career thanks to a decade worth of dodgy Russian asthmatic medication. He's so bad he almost got bingod by Price.

Joshua's most impressive win to date has been Parker, I'm not convinced he'd win a rematch though, Joseph is a better fighter and gave him too much respect

Ricky wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:02 Whyte lit him up to the head and body, he was just too small. He's physically more powerful and would make short work of Joshua now.

Joshua was saved by the bell against a geriatric Wladimir who was well past it. If the timing was stil there for Wlad he would have caught AJ with that left hook he threw as AJ was falling to his arse, and that would've been that.

Povetkin was just another yesterday's man, a 40 year old still clinging on to the last breath of his career thanks to a decade worth of dodgy Russian asthmatic medication. He's so bad he almost got bingod by Price.

Joshua's most impressive win to date has been Parker, I'm not convinced he'd win a rematch though, Joseph is a better fighter and gave him too much respect

beyond parody

Ricky wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:02 Whyte lit him up to the head and body, he was just too small. He's physically more powerful and would make short work of Joshua now.

Joshua was saved by the bell against a geriatric Wladimir who was well past it. If the timing was stil there for Wlad he would have caught AJ with that left hook he threw as AJ was falling to his arse, and that would've been that.

Povetkin was just another yesterday's man, a 40 year old still clinging on to the last breath of his career thanks to a decade worth of dodgy Russian asthmatic medication. He's so bad he almost got bingod by Price.

Joshua's most impressive win to date has been Parker, I'm not convinced he'd win a rematch though, Joseph is a better fighter and gave him too much respect

Put the pipe down

samwbr wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 10:51 Put the pipe down

Why not just admit you baught fast eddies hypejob instead of doubling down on this fraud.

samwbr wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 02:45 Dill and Wlad landed huge KO shots on him, if you're unsure of this then please re-watch the fights.

Its heavyweight boxing anyone can get knocked out, might be a cliche but it's true.

Putting it simply, I think Joshua is slightly fragile. I think he is certainly more fragile than Wilder and Fury and also less resilient.

liamlion wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 17:05 Putting it simply, I think Joshua is slightly fragile. I think he is certainly more fragile than Wilder and Fury and also less resilient.

Seems that way to me too and did before the Ruiz fight. But still top 4/5 HW today.

Dear me what a load of shite being written on here:

Let’s state some facts:

Whyte: won about 10 seconds in 7 rounds and KTFO

Wlad: hit AJ wIth a monster right hand and didn’t capitalise, somehow AJs fault

Parker: neutralised completely for 12 rounds

Povetkin: didn’t ‘rock’ AJ twice at all. Fantasy. never been stopped, AJ cleaned his clock

He lost a fight, feck me some people are revelling in it. If AJ wins the rematch on the end of the jab, everyone will call him a boring bugger. He can’t win

Wrists wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 17:29 Dear me what a load of shite being written on here:

Let’s state some facts:

Whyte: won about 10 seconds in 7 rounds and KTFO

Wlad: hit AJ wIth a monster right hand and didn’t capitalise, somehow AJs fault

Parker: neutralised completely for 12 rounds

Povetkin: didn’t ‘rock’ AJ twice at all. Fantasy. never been stopped, AJ cleaned his clock

He lost a fight, feck me some people are revelling in it. If AJ wins the rematch on the end of the jab, everyone will call him a boring bugger. He can’t win

I'm surprised at the turnaround on folks views on AJ. I remember the same BS with Lewis; with Wlad, hell I remember when Ali lost to Norton and everyone said he was through, even after the rematch.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 17:31 I'm surprised at the turnaround on folks views on AJ. I remember the same BS with Lewis; with Wlad, hell I remember when Ali lost to Norton and everyone said he was through, even after the rematch.

It’s astonishing , I made the same point on another thread. I can only assume many of these revisionists are new to boxing.