Why the referee helped Wilder in the fight against Luis Ortiz?

[ironbeard]

seems like a really random thread to make now, even our conspiracy boy illya had stopped, i think someones fishing

Look at all these threads:

Fanboys of Gingerhead the entitled Mexican prima dona.

Fanboys of AJ trying to make sense of their fathomless grief.

Haters of Wilder still litigating the Ortiz fight.

Fanboys of Fury making wholey as hell arguments for a “linearal” champ. Sounds like a social disease to me.

3G fanboys claiming Gingerhead II was a robbery.

If you are going to be a fanboy, jump on the one true King of Boxing’s chuck wagon!!



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[oogiebe]

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[ironbeard]

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. . . and one in the back of your trunks like a 45 for between rounds.

[oogiebe]

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[greg]

The new energy bar!

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[Tony1244]

IF I hadn't seen a ref give a fighter extra time in NY State, about 50 times I may be suspicious.

[Ilya Muromets]

Here are the WBCs rules:

4.24 Role of Medical Officers at WBC-Sanctioned Bouts.

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury, or to evaluate the boxer’s ability to continue. During the sixty (60) second rest period, a ring doctor may also on his own initiative examine a boxer in his corner, although he should not interfere with the seconds’ work...

The Showtime broadcast didn't show the ringside doctor using his own initiative to examine Wilder when he was sat on his stool during the interval, this is because they chose to display action replays instead.

So the referee correctly called a time out and invited the doctor to evaluate Wilder's ability to continue.

The referee followed the correct procedure, though one could easily argue the doctor himself should have inspected Wilder during the break, even though he correctly refrained from interfering with the seconds' work.

Either way, the referee did his job and followed the rules.

Unfortunately, Paulie Malignaggi’s comments misled viewers by implying that the referee’s actions were uncalled for, when in fact they 100% adhered to the WBC’s very own rules, which appear to be consistent amongst all the sports’ governing bodies.

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury,



Wilder wasn't cut nor did he have any other obvious injury like a broken bone or something. He was just on wobbly legs. If that rule was invoked every time a house favorite fighter was wobbled it would make boxing even more of a farce than it already is. And again, same ref and ring doctor, so why didn't they stop rd. 10 to examine Ortiz?

[Ilya Muromets]

IF I hadn't seen a ref give a fighter extra time in NY State, about 50 times I may be suspicious.

I have never seen anything like this before and neither have you and if u think u have show me the film. Now of course refs bend the rules to give the fave extra time after a knockdown like someone mentioned happened with Joshua the other night, but stopping a fight when the cash cow money star is wobbled to have the ring doctor examine him, nope never saw that.

[oogiebe]

*UNSUBSCRIBED*

(it was the only merciful thing to do...)

[Ilya Muromets]

This action is too habitual


They were dirty and protected Wilder, period


Look that fight of Coggi vs González

Wilder was out of the fight.

I did. That one was funny. Everybody and his brother was in there protecting that guy and letting him recuperate, but even there they didn't do the lady and donkey i mean ref and ring doctor act!

[Enlightened-One]

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury,



Wilder wasn't cut nor did he have any other obvious injury like a broken bone or something. He was just on wobbly legs. If that rule was invoked every time a house favorite fighter was wobbled it would make boxing even more of a farce than it already is.

Why didn’t you attempt to finish reading the sentence?

4.24 Role of Medical Officers at WBC-Sanctioned Bouts.

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury, or to evaluate the boxer’s ability to continue.

I’m not going to comment on Ortiz, because the thread topic specifically relates to the ref’s dealings with Wilder.

[Ilya Muromets]

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(it was the only merciful thing to do...)

What does unsubscribed mean? Get back here, Oogy Boogy!

[oogiebe]

What does unsubscribed mean? Get back here, Oogy Boogy!

No!

[Ilya Muromets]

Why didn’t you attempt to finish reading the sentence?

4.24 Role of Medical Officers at WBC-Sanctioned Bouts.

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury, or to evaluate the boxer’s ability to continue.

Can't you see how easily something like that can be - and was - abused?

Maybe the problem is mine. I'm looking at boxing as if it was a logical rational legitimate sport rather than the "sports entertainment" it really is, just like wrestling.

[Ilya Muromets]

No!

Ha ha ha!

[Susej_SOG]

IF I hadn't seen a ref give a fighter extra time in NY State, about 50 times I may be suspicious.

Why the doctor did not do the same with Ortiz?

That was a dirty act to help Wilder.

This is too habitual in boxing history

Of fact, the referee protected Joshua too.

[Enlightened-One]

Can't you see how easily something like that can be - and was - abused?

Maybe the problem is mine. I'm looking at boxing as if it was a logical rational legitimate sport rather than the "sports entertainment" it really is, just like wrestling.

Referees are not trained to identify serious head injuries and there have been fatalities in boxing due to fighters being allowed to continue competing whilst being hurt and without being evaluated by the ringside physician.

As far as I’m concerned, the safety of a fighter takes precedence over anything else, regardless of whether the consequences of the doctor’s inspection results in the consumption of several valuable seconds that could potentially affect the outcome of a contest.

The primary concern of a referee is to prevent unnecessary damage to the boxer's health during the course of the bout.

I hope you agree?

[Susej_SOG]

Can't you see how easily something like that can be - and was - abused?

Maybe the problem is mine. I'm looking at boxing as if it was a logical rational legitimate sport rather than the "sports entertainment" it really is, just like wrestling.

Boxing it's logical, rational and a great SPORT with a lot of details

Fans are the problem

I can't understand the people saying that this was.normal and was nothing strange ...

Those 15 seconds were pure gold to Wilder.

I remember in the fight of Murray vs Martínez in Argentina, the referee helped Martínez, Murray dropped.him clearly and the referee did not count it.

[oogiebe]

Why the referee did not do the same with Ortiz?

That was a dirty act to help Wilder.

This is too habitual in boxing history

Of fact, the referee protected Joshua too.

Stop being ridiculous. It is a NYSAC rule. I've seen it done and even referenced one particular occurrence on another Ortiz/Wilder thread that went down this rabbit hole. Nothing's going to change the result of that fight. Certainly not your incessant whining about it. Why has it taken you so long to make an issue of it? Why not complain about the 26 seconds given to AJ after the fourth KD?

[Susej_SOG]

Stop being ridiculous. It is a NYSAC rule. I've seen it done and even referenced one particular occurrence on another Ortiz/Wilder thread that went down this rabbit hole. Nothing's going to change the result of that fight. Certainly not your incessant whining about it. Why has it taken you so long to make an issue of it? Why not complain about the 26 seconds given to AJ after the fourth KD?

Ok, give me a example of that situation .

Give me a.fight, ok?

Second

Wilder was not that bad, he was hurted but nothing dangerous, the doctor did it to help him to recover

Third.

Im a new user, but I noticed that the referee did it, and it was a dirty act too. Ruiz capitalized his moment but it's the same

Referees and doctors helping and protecting the star

[oogiebe]

Ok, give me a example of that situation .

Give me a.fight, ok?

Second

Wilder was not that bad, he was hurted but nothing dangerous, the doctor did it to help him to recover

Third.

Im a new user, but I noticed that the referee did it, and it was a dirty act too. Ruiz capitalized his moment but it's the same

Referees and doctors helping and protecting the star

I don't remember the fight I referenced, but now at least three other posters report having seen it occur. Tony is a good poster and doesn't make things up. You may not like the rule, but it has been used. For me I didn't understand what the ref's concern was as Wilder, to me, was recovered by then.

[gilgamesh]

I don't remember the fight I referenced, but now at least three other posters report having seen it occur. Tony is a good poster and doesn't make things up. You may not like the rule, but it has been used. For me I didn't understand what the ref's concern was as Wilder, to me, was recovered by then.

That's exactly the point. The concern was that he WASN'T recovered, and was about to be knocked out.

I'm not sure if it were corruption of any sort or not, or just a stupid rule, but I didn't care for it. When a guy hurt his opponent at the end of the last round, the beginning of the next round is still a crucial moment in the fight, and the referee robbed Ortiz of that.

Whether it was a rule or not, the result was the same. Ortiz was robbed of his biggest chance to win the fight.

[oogiebe]

That's exactly the point. The concern was that he WASN'T recovered, and was about to be knocked out.

I'm not sure if it were corruption of any sort or not, or just a stupid rule, but I didn't care for it. When a guy hurt his opponent at the end of the last round, the beginning of the next round is still a crucial moment in the fight, and the referee robbed Ortiz of that.

Whether it was a rule or not, the result was the same. Ortiz was robbed of his biggest chance to win the fight.

Robbed is a strong word. I don't think it impacted the outcome of the fight. Wilder was on sturdy legs at the time. The sad thing is that it left a question mark for some folks to point to.

[gilgamesh]

Robbed is a strong word. I don't think it impacted the outcome of the fight. Wilder was on sturdy legs at the time. The sad thing is that it left a question mark for some folks to point to.

I didn't say the result would've been different necessarily. I just said he was robbed of his "CHANCE" to win the fight. This is indisputably true. Whether or not he could've actually capitalized on that chance we'll never know, but he was robbed of even having it.

For the record, I'd think no, he wouldn't have gotten him. Whether or not we think he would've gotten through to Wilder, and hurt him again or stopped isn't the point though. The point is he should've gotten his chance.

[oogiebe]

I didn't say the result would've been different necessarily. I just said he was robbed of his "CHANCE" to win the fight. This is indisputably true. Whether or not he could've actually capitalized on that chance we'll never know, but he was robbed of even having it.

For the record, I'd think no, he wouldn't have gotten him. Whether or not we think he would've gotten through to Wilder, and hurt him again or stopped isn't the point though. The point is he should've gotten his chance.

The rule is the rule, and I don't particularly like it at all. Any rule that delays action due to a fighter's condition from a previous round (aside from cuts and such) has no place in the sport. That should be during the 60 seconds in between rounds or not at all.