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jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 12:41 seems like a really random thread to make now, even our conspiracy boy illya had stopped, i think someones fishing

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 12:58 A SNICKERS IN EVERY GYM BAG!

ironbeard wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:00 . . . and one in the back of your trunks like a 45 for between rounds.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:03 The new energy bar!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 12:44 Here are the WBCs rules:

4.24 Role of Medical Officers at WBC-Sanctioned Bouts.

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury, or to evaluate the boxer’s ability to continue. During the sixty (60) second rest period, a ring doctor may also on his own initiative examine a boxer in his corner, although he should not interfere with the seconds’ work...

The Showtime broadcast didn't show the ringside doctor using his own initiative to examine Wilder when he was sat on his stool during the interval, this is because they chose to display action replays instead.

So the referee correctly called a time out and invited the doctor to evaluate Wilder's ability to continue.

The referee followed the correct procedure, though one could easily argue the doctor himself should have inspected Wilder during the break, even though he correctly refrained from interfering with the seconds' work.

Either way, the referee did his job and followed the rules.

Unfortunately, Paulie Malignaggi’s comments misled viewers by implying that the referee’s actions were uncalled for, when in fact they 100% adhered to the WBC’s very own rules, which appear to be consistent amongst all the sports’ governing bodies.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:15 IF I hadn't seen a ref give a fighter extra time in NY State, about 50 times I may be suspicious.

Susej_SOG wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 12:39 This action is too habitual


They were dirty and protected Wilder, period


Look that fight of Coggi vs González

Wilder was out of the fight.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:42 (d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury,



Wilder wasn't cut nor did he have any other obvious injury like a broken bone or something. He was just on wobbly legs. If that rule was invoked every time a house favorite fighter was wobbled it would make boxing even more of a farce than it already is.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:48 *UNSUBSCRIBED*

(it was the only merciful thing to do...)

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:51 What does unsubscribed mean? Get back here, Oogy Boogy!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:50 Why didn’t you attempt to finish reading the sentence?

4.24 Role of Medical Officers at WBC-Sanctioned Bouts.

(d) During a contest, the referee may call time out and invite the ring doctor to examine a boxer for a cut or other injury, or to evaluate the boxer’s ability to continue.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:54No!

Tony1244 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:15 IF I hadn't seen a ref give a fighter extra time in NY State, about 50 times I may be suspicious.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:54 Can't you see how easily something like that can be - and was - abused?

Maybe the problem is mine. I'm looking at boxing as if it was a logical rational legitimate sport rather than the "sports entertainment" it really is, just like wrestling.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 13:54 Can't you see how easily something like that can be - and was - abused?

Maybe the problem is mine. I'm looking at boxing as if it was a logical rational legitimate sport rather than the "sports entertainment" it really is, just like wrestling.

Susej_SOG wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:05 Why the referee did not do the same with Ortiz?

That was a dirty act to help Wilder.

This is too habitual in boxing history

Of fact, the referee protected Joshua too.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:10 Stop being ridiculous. It is a NYSAC rule. I've seen it done and even referenced one particular occurrence on another Ortiz/Wilder thread that went down this rabbit hole. Nothing's going to change the result of that fight. Certainly not your incessant whining about it. Why has it taken you so long to make an issue of it? Why not complain about the 26 seconds given to AJ after the fourth KD?

Susej_SOG wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:32 Ok, give me a example of that situation .

Give me a.fight, ok?

Second

Wilder was not that bad, he was hurted but nothing dangerous, the doctor did it to help him to recover

Third.

Im a new user, but I noticed that the referee did it, and it was a dirty act too. Ruiz capitalized his moment but it's the same

Referees and doctors helping and protecting the star

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:36 I don't remember the fight I referenced, but now at least three other posters report having seen it occur. Tony is a good poster and doesn't make things up. You may not like the rule, but it has been used. For me I didn't understand what the ref's concern was as Wilder, to me, was recovered by then.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:38 That's exactly the point. The concern was that he WASN'T recovered, and was about to be knocked out.

I'm not sure if it were corruption of any sort or not, or just a stupid rule, but I didn't care for it. When a guy hurt his opponent at the end of the last round, the beginning of the next round is still a crucial moment in the fight, and the referee robbed Ortiz of that.

Whether it was a rule or not, the result was the same. Ortiz was robbed of his biggest chance to win the fight.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:45 Robbed is a strong word. I don't think it impacted the outcome of the fight. Wilder was on sturdy legs at the time. The sad thing is that it left a question mark for some folks to point to.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 14:48 I didn't say the result would've been different necessarily. I just said he was robbed of his "CHANCE" to win the fight. This is indisputably true. Whether or not he could've actually capitalized on that chance we'll never know, but he was robbed of even having it.

For the record, I'd think no, he wouldn't have gotten him. Whether or not we think he would've gotten through to Wilder, and hurt him again or stopped isn't the point though. The point is he should've gotten his chance.