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Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 11:30
by Nondescript
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 11:13
Believe whatever you want – that’s your prerogative.
Eddie Hearn and Dillian Whyte both claimed that Luis Ortiz rejected a $2.54m offer to face him. I don’t believe this claim has been refuted by the Cuban’s team. I can't prove silence.
Eddie Hearn also claimed that Luis Ortiz rejected multiple offers to face Anthony Joshua.
The Cuban’s team initially refuted those claims, by stating that they’d been low-balled, but when the Matchroom boss threatened to expose their lies, they eventually came clean and conceded the errors of their ways.
So even if Team Ortiz refuted Dillian Whyte’s claim, how reliable are they? Can you really trust what they say, when they've openly admitted to lying?
All I know is that I can prove that Eddie and Dillian made those claims about Luis Ortiz.
If you want to pretend that the “fearsome” King Kong Luis Ortiz has never turned down the opportunity to face any of his peers, that’s up to you.
Either way, believe whatever you want.
By the way, don't you find it rather interesting that none of Luis Ortiz’s handlers has ever attempted to make the Dillian Whyte fight, by initiating contract negotiations?
Don’t you also find it interesting that Ortiz only needs to face the likes of Cojanu, Kauffman & Hammer to receive a second world title opportunity, but Whyte has been ignored, despite recently facing the likes of Browne, Parker, Chisora & Rivas?
That seems exactly what you're doing.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 11:38
by ewenhay
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 11:13
Believe whatever you want – that’s your prerogative.
Eddie Hearn and Dillian Whyte both claimed that Luis Ortiz rejected a $2.54m offer to face him. I don’t believe this claim has been refuted by the Cuban’s team. I can't prove silence.
Eddie Hearn also claimed that Luis Ortiz rejected multiple offers to face Anthony Joshua.
The Cuban’s team initially refuted those claims, by stating that they’d been low-balled, but when the Matchroom boss threatened to expose their lies, they eventually came clean and conceded the errors of their ways.
So even if Team Ortiz refuted Dillian Whyte’s claim, how reliable are they? Can you really trust what they say, when they've openly admitted to lying?
All I know is that I can prove that Eddie and Dillian made those claims about Luis Ortiz.
If you want to pretend that the “fearsome” King Kong Luis Ortiz has never turned down the opportunity to face any of his peers, that’s up to you.
Either way, believe whatever you want.
By the way, don't you find it rather interesting that none of Luis Ortiz’s handlers has ever attempted to make the Dillian Whyte fight, by initiating contract negotiations?
Don’t you also find it interesting that Ortiz only needs to face the likes of Cojanu, Kauffman & Hammer to receive a second world title opportunity, but Whyte has been ignored, despite recently facing the likes of Browne, Parker, Chisora & Rivas?
We've told you many times before that Eddie Hearn, or any other promoter, claiming something is not a "fact".
"choose who you want to believe" is also not fact
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 11:40
by Nondescript
This article explains succinctly why Whyte hasn't had a world title shot yet -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.worldb ... ained/amp/
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 11:45
by jamamb
the wbc ordered a final eliminator 6 vs 12 (dom vs molina) before any whyte or ortiz final elim orderings, lmao, what a blatant move to get another pbc challenger
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 11:47
by oogiebe
Yeah, nothing we didn't know. Just stuff some choose to ignore, or spin.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 11:53
by jamamb
does it explain how despite being the highest ranked wbc contender whyte was passed up for that 6 vs 12 pbc fight in 2017
lol, imagine just having to beat eric molina to get a shot
what did the wbc and there lauded lawyers say about that one
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 11:59
by Nondescript
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:01
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 11:53
does it explain how despite being the highest ranked wbc contender whyte was passed up for that 6 vs 12 pbc fight in 2017
lol, imagine just having to beat eric molina to get a shot
what did the wbc and there lauded lawyers say about that one
I admire your passion concerning this. I just don't really care about Dillian Whyte. He earned a shot; he turned one down; the timing is bad with Fury and Ortiz; He should be focusing on Rivas right now and hopefully he'll get what he deserves after that, if he wins. He's not the first fighter in history kept waiting.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:04
by Nondescript
jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 11:53
does it explain how despite being the highest ranked wbc contender whyte was passed up for that 6 vs 12 pbc fight in 2017
lol, imagine just having to beat eric molina to get a shot
what did the wbc and there lauded lawyers say about that one
The rankings are a load of horse shit anyway. Where were Parker, Browne, Chisora, etc ranked in the WBC rankings when Whyte beat them? Were all of them even ranked with the WBC?
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:05
by jamamb
going by wbc form, whyte could beat rivas and then get passed up for a chuck martin vs eric molina final eliminator
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:08
by jamamb
Nondescript wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 12:04
The rankings are a load of horse poo anyway. Where were Parker, Browne, Chisora, etc ranked in the WBC rankings when Whyte beat them? Were all of them even ranked with the WBC?
youd think so, and i mean they had and have whyte as there top contender, so either way hes ranked and beat solid opposition
meanwhile they order molina vs dom 6 vs 12 instead to ensure a pbc challenger, lou is on his 2nd shot, and whyte even if he wins really vs rivas is where
im not even a whyte fanboi, i just think its bizarre to think team wbc has been the straight party in this, or that whyte for some reason deserves to be set aside
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:11
by greg
..if all facts listed above are true, no reason for Whyte to keep whining..
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:11
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 12:05
going by wbc form, whyte could beat rivas and then get passed up for a chuck martin vs eric molina final eliminator
That hasn't happened so why don't we wait and see. We have a lot of time if the Fury/Wilder rematch comes to fruition. Probably a year before the winner of the rematch fights again. And no org would make either fight a mandatory after that fight is my guess. Poor Poor Dillian Whyte. Should have taken the AJ offer. He is making all that noise because he thinks he's a bigger draw than Fury. The WBC is just as bad as the other orgs. They all suck and that's the environment that all fighters are in.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:12
by oogiebe
greg wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 12:11
..if all facts listed above are true, no reason for Whyte to keep whining..
To be fair, the article is from the WBC viewpoint.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:17
by greg
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 12:12
To be fair, the article is from the WBC viewpoint.
could be..it's just that nothing I heard from Whyte convinced me otherwise...
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:18
by oogiebe
greg wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 12:17
could be..it's just that nothing I heard from Whyte convinced me otherwise...
me too.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:20
by Enlightened-One
Nondescript wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 11:30
That seems exactly what you're doing.
Nope.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:21
by jamamb
we take da fight for any money!!
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 12:25
by Enlightened-One
The article is wrong.
It’s factually inaccurate.
Look at the WBC rankings at the time they ordered the final eliminator between Breazeale and Molina.
That is one massive issue the article chooses to ignore.
It also fails to address the Chisora-Whyte eliminator.
There are several other huge issues that weren't mentioned in the article either, which I've already discussed at length with this forum.
The author of this article either isn’t aware of particularly pertinent points or they’re ignoring them as they don’t adhere to their preferred narrative.
Please argue with me on this!
There’s so much you clearly don’t know.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 13:20
by dickbelden
what is the highest bid WHYTE has rejected for a world title fight ? EDDIE HEARN has said that WHYTE has rejected excellent bids.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 13:27
by Enlightened-One
dickbelden wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 13:20
what is the highest bid WHYTE has rejected for a world title fight ? EDDIE HEARN has said that WHYTE has rejected excellent bids.
Whyte received a smaller purse for the AJ rematch than the one he was paid to face Chisora for a second time.
Around the same time, Hearn offered Miller $3m more than what he had offered Whyte.
Please argue with me on this!
This is far too damn EASY!!!
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 13:30
by Nondescript
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jun 2019, 12:25
The article is wrong.
It’s factually inaccurate.
Look at the WBC rankings at the time they ordered the final eliminator between Breazeale and Molina.
That is one massive issue the article chooses to ignore.
It also fails to address the Chisora-Whyte eliminator.
There are several other huge issues that weren't mentioned in the article either, which I've already discussed at length with this forum.
The author of this article either isn’t aware of particularly pertinent points or they’re ignoring them as they don’t adhere to their preferred narrative.
Please argue with me on this!
There’s so much you clearly don’t know.
Okay, to play devil's advocate- say you're right, why did he turn down the fight with Pulev, which would have been a final eliminator for a shot at Joshua?
Even Hearn admits it was offered on this article -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... g/43625503
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 13:34
by jamamb
basically to me, thing is, clearly the wbc was laughable in ordering the molina vs dom final elimator. 6 vs 12, ya, not some blatant way of ensuring a pbc challenger at all
and whyte vs chis had already been called an eliminator, and whyte won
and whyte has been sitting at the top of the ratings for a good few years now yet either gets totally passed over for lower ranked guys or put through more loops. this is despite clearly being the most deserving of all guys yet to fight for a title
the thing with an ortiz fight-----first, whyte had already been screwed prior to that with the laughable molina eliminator, not having his own eliminator mean anything, etc....and second, why assume the blame is on him for that not happening. why is it, when luis ortiz team are proven admitted liars, that we assume 'dil dont want none!'
the ortiz fight is not totally clear as to why / who it didnt happen because, but whyte IS clearly 1. deserving and clearly HAS been screwed before
so overall, i just find it a bit lame to cheer for the wbc and act like dils just been a mopey whiney baby.
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 13:35
by jamamb
apologies for the self published novel btw
Re: Dillian Whyte could be in danger of being pushed down the WBC Ratings if insults continue
Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 13:36
by Enlightened-One
IBF rules dictated that Whyte would have only received a 25% purse split.
Check for yourself. Google is a wonderful tool.
I’m knocking them out of the ballpark today.