Can Andy Ruiz Jr refuse to rematch AJ in UK and what would be the concenquences?

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oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 12:23
margaret thatcher wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 12:17 well tbf, its hardly as if guys dont fight dirty outside the uk, though i agree the whyte situation looks bad
True. We'd be naive to think it's an isolated incident. If Wilder tested HOT, I'd be just as outraged. TBH more disappointed too.

Not with their legs he ain't pissing hot.
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Does anyone here have a copy of that private contract?
No.
Therefore, none can make any assertions.
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Lennox wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 16:55 Boxing is a business. Andy Ruiz earns lots for rematching AJ. No other fight pays the sort of money he will earn,

Eddie Hearn is super smart btw but everybody will make mistakes as we all do.
To be honest I‘m not aware of any mistakes he‘s made so far handling rematch...he‘ just protecting his interests...
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greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:37
Lennox wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 16:55 Boxing is a business. Andy Ruiz earns lots for rematching AJ. No other fight pays the sort of money he will earn,

Eddie Hearn is super smart btw but everybody will make mistakes as we all do.
To be honest I‘m not aware of any mistakes he‘s made so far handling rematch...he‘ just protecting his interests...
When the deal is done we'll know if Hearn did a good job or not. Hard to knock a guy who makes you millions of dollars, hate him or not. and I do despise Hearn.
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oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:48
greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:37

To be honest I‘m not aware of any mistakes he‘s made so far handling rematch...he‘ just protecting his interests...
When the deal is done we'll know if Hearn did a good job or not. Hard to knock a guy who makes you millions of dollars, hate him or not. and I do despise Hearn.
I‘ve no reason to despise him but you are certainly right regarding the first part...
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greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:52
oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:48
When the deal is done we'll know if Hearn did a good job or not. Hard to knock a guy who makes you millions of dollars, hate him or not. and I do despise Hearn.
I‘ve no reason to despise him but you are certainly right regarding the first part...
Not just him. I despise all promoters. Been rather open about it.
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oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:58
greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:52

I‘ve no reason to despise him but you are certainly right regarding the first part...
Not just him. I despise all promoters. Been rather open about it.
I understand, it‘s just a job though where they protect THEIR interests and investments, they are doomed to be hated I guess...
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greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 23:02
oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:58

Not just him. I despise all promoters. Been rather open about it.
I understand, it‘s just a job though where they protect THEIR interests and investments, they are doomed to be hated I guess...
LOL! I agree. I'm just really sensitive to spin and bullshvt. :OhYes:
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greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 23:02
oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:58

Not just him. I despise all promoters. Been rather open about it.
I understand, it‘s just a job though where they protect THEIR interests and investments, they are doomed to be hated I guess...
I don't really hate most promoters. While I don't approve of the shadier elements of what they do, I realize that without 'em we wouldn't have fights.

I mean fights don't just come together out of nowhere. They have to be made. They have to be funded. They have to be promoted.

So they're definitely a necessary Evil if we want to see the fights we want to see.
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oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 23:04
greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 23:02

I understand, it‘s just a job though where they protect THEIR interests and investments, they are doomed to be hated I guess...
LOL! I agree. I'm just really sensitive to spin and bullshvt. :OhYes:
:TU: you are not alone ;-)
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oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 15:07
candyslim wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 15:04 So if Hearn knows his job it's reasonable to assume that (being in the driver's seat offering Andy a shot at the title), he's going to remember to dot the 'I's and cross the 'T's when it comes to imposing the rematch clause (like he did much to Dillian Whyte's displeasure) ?

Of course we haven't seen the contract but I don't need to see the bank-vault to know I'm not going to be able to walk out with a rucksack full of gold ingots :D
Your assumption is fair. But if there is an ironclad rematch clause including location, then everything would be buttoned up in short order. None of us really know.
No we don't. It could just be Eddie and Josh locking horns over which side of the pond to stage it. Of course I'm just reaching here.
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SAPFO wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 18:53
oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 12:23

True. We'd be naive to think it's an isolated incident. If Wilder tested HOT, I'd be just as outraged. TBH more disappointed too.

Not with their legs he ain't pissing hot.
If I understand that correctly you are saying that if Wilder was juicing, he wouldn't have those skinny bird-legs, is that the gist of it? I'm no expert but I don't think it works like that. You'd have to (want to) work on them.

Wilder has excellent stamina, resilience, power. I like to believe those freakish attributes in someone so angular is a gift of nature. I'm as confident as I can be but I wouldn't be so naive as to wager a large sum of money on it. Fighters have a habit of pissing (hot) on my faith in them.
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oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:48
greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:37

To be honest I‘m not aware of any mistakes he‘s made so far handling rematch...he‘ just protecting his interests...
When the deal is done we'll know if Hearn did a good job or not. Hard to knock a guy who makes you millions of dollars, hate him or not. and I do despise Hearn.
And there was me thinking you had a poster of him on your wall ;-)
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oogiebe wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:58
greg wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 22:52

I‘ve no reason to despise him but you are certainly right regarding the first part...
Not just him. I despise all promoters. Been rather open about it.
Kadoebi and reason are cool beans
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Yeah haricot and adzuki are not so bad either :TU:
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candyslim wrote: 28 Jul 2019, 03:59 Yeah haricot and adzuki are not so bad either :TU:
Reason do the Dangan cards, and essentially don't work with their own fighters (they only have about 3) so are almost solely a promoter of boxing shows, not boxers. Working across the Japanese gym system to put on compelling bouts as a promoter.

Kadoebi are just cool, they put most their shows online for free, are easy to contact and push their young prospects. Seem very much none politics, with their 2 big political issues being kicking a guy out of their gym for failing weight and refusing to sign the Kameda's a few years ago because the fighters didn't want the toxic environment.
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I feel that most fighters don’t truly want to fight in a different country and are using this controversy to get out of it.
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joshj909 wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 06:43 The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.
really? if he fights at home, all of mexico
and half of the US is watching ... and by then
UK is not even broadcasting to all of europe
anymore ... (pun intended) ....
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man wrote: 28 Jul 2019, 06:17
joshj909 wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 06:43 The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.
really? if he fights at home, all of mexico
and half of the US is watching ... and by then
UK is not even broadcasting to all of europe
anymore ... (pun intended) ....
"Lewis-Rahman.

Rahman tried to avoid the rematch and wanted to face Brian Nielsen instead, which compelled Lewis to file a $50m lawsuit."

"sacrifices" - i.e a big money lawsuit filed by AJ to Andy Ruiz Jr. The question is if there is a contractual clause about the venue of the rematch? And if not, could Andy find a way to fight AJ in US or skip the rematch? Also it could be some type of negotiation tactic from Andy to get more money if he will agree to fight AJ in UK.
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Boxing Prospect wrote: 28 Jul 2019, 04:58
candyslim wrote: 28 Jul 2019, 03:59 Yeah haricot and adzuki are not so bad either :TU:
Reason do the Dangan cards, and essentially don't work with their own fighters (they only have about 3) so are almost solely a promoter of boxing shows, not boxers. Working across the Japanese gym system to put on compelling bouts as a promoter.

Kadoebi are just cool, they put most their shows online for free, are easy to contact and push their young prospects. Seem very much none politics, with their 2 big political issues being kicking a guy out of their gym for failing weight and refusing to sign the Kameda's a few years ago because the fighters didn't want the toxic environment.
Thanks for taking the trouble BP. Now I feel bad for being flippant :oops:
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man wrote: 28 Jul 2019, 06:17
joshj909 wrote: 27 Jul 2019, 06:43 The consequences are that he sacrifices more money than he will ever earn.
really? if he fights at home, all of mexico
and half of the US is watching ... and by then
UK is not even broadcasting to all of europe
anymore ... (pun intended) ....
Nobody in the States knows who either one of them are.
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In light of the Whyte testing positive and apparent poor policies by UKAD and BBBofC, it may very well cause the Ruiz vs Joshua fight to NOT end up in the UK, unless they do some fast fixing of their rules. Imagine if Miller's failed test was not reported to Joshua's team and was allowed to fight? Big lawsuits coming.
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