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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 12:41 Anyone else find it strange Ruiz hasn’t posted anything on his social media? To announce the fight?

Andy Ruiz Jr. is a PBC fighter and his media communications and contract negotiations will inevitably be driven by the mysterious Al Haymon.

I wouldn’t read too much into the situation.

Ruiz Jr. clearly isn’t fearful of the challenge posed by AJ, but he might be forced to remain tight-lipped about the commercial aspects of his rematch against Joshua.

Quantrax wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 16:25

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 16:20
A fighter should focus their efforts on attaining their physical athletic prime rather than focussing their efforts on achieving a certain aesthetic appearance.

Ruiz Jr. seemed far more overweight during his teenage years, so perhaps there are limits to how “ripped” he’s capable of becoming, and I’m guessing that it would be impossible for him to achieve a physique like the prime versions of Kenny Norton or Evander Holyfield.

To be fair, Andy Ruiz Jr’s engine seemed vastly superior than the bodybuilding physique of AJ... and that fact shouldn’t be underappreciated.

I wasn't talking about aesthetics, in fact it's odd that you took that as the point I was making.

The point is that his stamina and agility would surely improve if he wasn't 20 pounds overweight.

When was he only 20 pounds overweight? He'll be pushing 300 for the rematch.

Quantrax wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 16:25

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 16:20
A fighter should focus their efforts on attaining their physical athletic prime rather than focussing their efforts on achieving a certain aesthetic appearance.

Ruiz Jr. seemed far more overweight during his teenage years, so perhaps there are limits to how “ripped” he’s capable of becoming, and I’m guessing that it would be impossible for him to achieve a physique like the prime versions of Kenny Norton or Evander Holyfield.

To be fair, Andy Ruiz Jr’s engine seemed vastly superior than the bodybuilding physique of AJ... and that fact shouldn’t be underappreciated.

I wasn't talking about aesthetics, in fact it's odd that you took that as the point I was making.

The point is that his stamina and agility would surely improve if he wasn't 20 pounds overweight.

Maybe it would but maybe it wouldn’t. Ruiz Jr’s physique is clearly misleading.

Superficially-speaking, you’re absolutely right, but in my mind, heavyweights should train as hard as they can, eat healthily and recover greatly through sleep, rather than focussing on the numbers displayed by the weighing scales.

I’m sure that if Ruiz Jr. does that, then he’ll likely lose a certain amount of excess weight, but perhaps he’s one of those misleadingly athletic people that are destined to always carry a certain amount of timber.

This may well mean nowt but most of the swimmers I see and know are lardy and incredible in the pool. Not only are they quicker than most, they just keep going too. Swimming is very much down to technique. I have had a few lessons from a triathlon club, and my swimming is much less effort and quicker and longer than ever. Anyway back to Ruiz, let's just say he has his technique down and fair play to him.

Whilst AJ is trying all sorts of techniques and the newest latest thing, he will besaying he is still learning the game. Maybe Ruiz just knows it already and is confident about it.

Never seen a fat Olympic swimmer.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 17:11 Never seen a fat Olympic swimmer.

Fair point, It is possible to be fat and fit be my point.

Let's get a fat marthoning champion

Roars Like Me wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 17:18

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 17:11 Never seen a fat Olympic swimmer.

Fair point, It is possible to be fat and fit be my point.

Actually swimmers generally have a higher (but not a high) %fat as compared to other athletes like track and field. It gives them some buoyancy.

Roars Like Me wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 17:18

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Aug 2019, 17:11 Never seen a fat Olympic swimmer.

Fair point, It is possible to be fat and fit be my point.

Definitely, I've resembled that remark. But I was never more fit fat than I was fit.

Fit is a bridge too far for even me describing TFKoB.

..the question is not so much about being able to win the title carrying extra weight, it is rather how long you'll be capable of defending it...it's the longevity of the reign that I would question unless Ruiz does some adjustments...

greg wrote: ↑24 Aug 2019, 06:57 ..the question is not so much about being able to win the title carrying extra weight, it is rather how long you'll be capable of defending it...it's the longevity of the reign that I would question unless Ruiz does some adjustments...

What do you mean by that?

Are you saying if he turns up the same weight next time he can't win? Or that he needs to be lighter than last time?

ewenhay wrote: ↑24 Aug 2019, 08:32

greg wrote: ↑24 Aug 2019, 06:57 ..the question is not so much about being able to win the title carrying extra weight, it is rather how long you'll be capable of defending it...it's the longevity of the reign that I would question unless Ruiz does some adjustments...

What do you mean by that?

Are you saying if he turns up the same weight next time he can't win? Or that he needs to be lighter than last time?

...I certainly don't exclude that he might lose in the rematch and his extra weight could be one of the reasons...

Ya, interested to see if Ruiz is on form again. A lot of people forget he has quite the history of mediocre/lacklustre showings. Bit of an up and down fighter, so let's see if he brings it again.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Aug 2019, 09:58 Ya, interested to see if Ruiz is on form again. A lot of people forget he has quite the history of mediocre/lacklustre showings. Bit of an up and down fighter, so let's see if he brings it again.

yeah, to a lot of people it's the last fight that counts...like they say "the winner takes it all, the loser's standing small..."

Joshua has surprisingly started talking sh!t recently. I wonder, if he tries to provide some beef at upcoming pressers.

Ruiz is going to disappoint a lot of people because they have built up a guy who doesn't exist.
Joshua isn't as good as he once was made out to be but he'll win the rematch and then lose
again to Fury or Wilder.

snake33 wrote: ↑30 Aug 2019, 15:54 Ruiz is going to disappoint a lot of people because they have built up a guy who doesn't exist.
Joshua isn't as good as he once was made out to be but he'll win the rematch and then lose
again to Fury or Wilder.

I think AJ winning is better for boxing in the long run. AJ vs Fury/Wilder is much more interesting to me than Ruiz.

snake33 wrote: ↑30 Aug 2019, 15:54 Ruiz is going to disappoint a lot of people because they have built up a guy who doesn't exist.
Joshua isn't as good as he once was made out to be but he'll win the rematch and then lose
again to Fury or Wilder.

Not sure if AJ wins, but it's definitely true a lot of people have totally overlooked Ruiz's history of inconsistence and past mediocre showings.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Aug 2019, 16:20

snake33 wrote: ↑30 Aug 2019, 15:54 Ruiz is going to disappoint a lot of people because they have built up a guy who doesn't exist.
Joshua isn't as good as he once was made out to be but he'll win the rematch and then lose
again to Fury or Wilder.

Not sure if AJ wins, but it's definitely true a lot of people have totally overlooked Ruiz's history of inconsistence and past mediocre showings.

I think it (inconsistency) has more to do with his past promotional issues and change of trainers. Robles seems to be in sync with Ruiz, unless the AJ fight was a fluke. We'll find out in December.

He was inconsistent when he was firmly signed by Top Rank, well before he was dropped/bought out. And he'd had a great title opportunity before, and while he fought respectably he still lose to Parker and really showed no hints of being an elite HW. He looked good vs AJ but that's just one case of a top level win. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he wins again, but then it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's true to past form and proves to be a one hit wonder.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Aug 2019, 16:28 He was inconsistent when he was firmly signed by Top Rank, well before he was dropped/bought out. And he'd had a great title opportunity before, and while he fought respectably he still lose to Parker and really showed no hints of being an elite HW. He looked good vs AJ but that's just one case of a top level win. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he wins again, but then it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's true to past form and proves to be a one hit wonder.

Great point and something to keep an eye on.