Lomachenko is so annoying

[ewenhay]

This happens a lot these days. People like to rush to anoint everything as the best ever without letting matters take their natural course.

It was the same with Golovkin a few years ago.

Lomachenko is a cracking fighter but the best ever? Can't see it myself. Certainly not at present anyway. Even in recent times you'd have to rank Mayweather and Pac ahead of him. And that's only going back a few years. We're not even talking about the greats that came before them.

I mean are we really saying he's better than the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard with a straight face?

Who's calling him the best ever?

I've personally never seen better footwork from anyone else, but that's all I'd give him. I've definitely seen better, more accomplished fighters.

A few people on this thread alone have said he's the best ever. Various pundits were claiming it over the last couple of weeks.

[gilgamesh]

Who's calling him the best ever?

I've personally never seen better footwork from anyone else, but that's all I'd give him. I've definitely seen better, more accomplished fighters.

A few people on this thread alone have said he's the best ever. Various pundits were claiming it over the last couple of weeks.

Who?

Because whoever said that, can't be taken seriously.

He's not even definitely the best of RIGHT GODDAMN NOW, let alone the best ever.

[squiggy]

Who's calling him the best ever?

I've personally never seen better footwork from anyone else, but that's all I'd give him. I've definitely seen better, more accomplished fighters.

A few people on this thread alone have said he's the best ever. Various pundits were claiming it over the last couple of weeks.

Hmm, can you name some of the people in this thread who have said he's the best ever?

[Onetimeonly]

Lmao, there you go again. We got along much better when you actually read my posts. Lomas gifts are plenty, he doesn't need fanboy bullshit like saying Crawford is a big welter while he's a tiny, tiny lightweight. Neither is true.

I do read your posts, I didn't say anything that would imply I didn't.

I didn't say a goddamn thing about their relative sizes. My comment was on their victories, and how they've looked in their performances.

For Crawford to match Loma's achievements, he needs to beat some of the other name Welterweights. As of now he's steps below Loma.

Even if he were to beat Danny Garcia, Porter, Thurman all next year. He's still below Loma, but at least that would've gotten him closer.

Beating Spence would leapfrog him above Loma, but nothing else would. Except for a Loma defeat that is.

You quoted me directly in a response to someone saying Crawford had to fight big Jr middles to equal loma at light. No you didn't say a goddamn thing about size but that was my goddamn point in the conversation you decided to join. If you read my posts as you claim then you already know I don't have an issue with loma rated over bud, so I'm puzzled wtf you're talking about. Lol, just the other day I say I favor quillin and don't disagree that he'll win easily and you tell me the 21st will settle it!!! Now this nonsense. I've had bud #1 for several years. That's my opinion. I couldn't give two fucks what you think of it.

[ewenhay]

A few people on this thread alone have said he's the best ever. Various pundits were claiming it over the last couple of weeks.

Hmm, can you name some of the people in this thread who have said he's the best ever?

Getting my threads mixed up. It was in one of the other threads, apologies

[gilgamesh]

Ok Saad

My comments always fit in just fine, but if you wanna insist they don't whatever.

I certainly don't think Crawford NEEDS to fight Jr. Middles to prove he's better than Loma. The Welterweight division is deep. If he merely cleaned out THAT division it'd go a long way in proving his P4P superiority. Beating Spence alone would do it I'd say.

As for you believing Crawford is better than Loma, that's perfectly reasonable. I mean I don't see it at all, and his resume certainly doesn't show it, but go for it if it makes you feel better.

Spence vs Crawford would be fantastic as it'd be a battle of Greater Athleticism and Physical gifts vs a Superior tactical mind, and a great athlete in his own right.

I hope we get to see that fight, but I won't hold my breath. Without it though Crawford won't be passing up Loma's achievements anytime soon.

[Onetimeonly]

Ok Saad

My comments always fit in just fine, but if you wanna insist they don't whatever.

I certainly don't think Crawford NEEDS to fight Jr. Middles to prove he's better than Loma. The Welterweight division is deep. If he merely cleaned out THAT division it'd go a long way in proving his P4P superiority. Beating Spence alone would do it I'd say.

As for you believing Crawford is better than Loma, that's perfectly reasonable. I mean I don't see it at all, and his resume certainly doesn't show it, but go for it if it makes you feel better.

Spence vs Crawford would be fantastic as it'd be a battle of Greater Athleticism and Physical gifts vs a Superior tactical mind, and a great athlete in his own right.

I hope we get to see that fight, but I won't hold my breath. Without it though Crawford won't be passing up Loma's achievements anytime soon.

[gilgamesh]

Ok Saad

My comments always fit in just fine, but if you wanna insist they don't whatever.

I certainly don't think Crawford NEEDS to fight Jr. Middles to prove he's better than Loma. The Welterweight division is deep. If he merely cleaned out THAT division it'd go a long way in proving his P4P superiority. Beating Spence alone would do it I'd say.

As for you believing Crawford is better than Loma, that's perfectly reasonable. I mean I don't see it at all, and his resume certainly doesn't show it, but go for it if it makes you feel better.

Spence vs Crawford would be fantastic as it'd be a battle of Greater Athleticism and Physical gifts vs a Superior tactical mind, and a great athlete in his own right.

I hope we get to see that fight, but I won't hold my breath. Without it though Crawford won't be passing up Loma's achievements anytime soon.

Good move. When you can't get the better of a discussion, just stop having it

I do that to you a lot don't I

[Onetimeonly]

Good move. When you can't get the better of a discussion, just stop having it

I do that to you a lot don't I

[Lackeos]

It was feather vs lightweight. Two diviisons difference.

You're entitled to your own reality. Wait, no you're not. It was lightweight vs lightweight. This was Lomachenko's fourth consecutive fight at lightweight. You're a perfect example of what's so annoying about Lomachenko's fans.

[Deleted_Scenes]

P4P, Linares is far better than anyone Crawford has ever fought. He had a decent size advantage too (the fight night weight difference was greater than Loma enjoyed vs Rigo). Loma vs the bigger lightweights, is roughly similar to Crawford vs the bigger junior middleweights. Let's see how much trouble they give Crawford, before trying to compare the two.

I like Crawford, and he's clearly elite, but his resume is among the very thinnest of the P4P guys.

Poor little loma getting compared to giant Crawford. You guys are ridiculous.

I never said Crawford was huge. He isn't. He's just not fighting anyone naturally 1-2 divisions heavier than he is, nor does he have the quality name's on his resume.

Crawford is awesome. He just gets a bit too much credit for cleaning out a weak division, and hasn't really made much noise at welterweight yet. Until Crawford actually does something to prove otherwise, such as beating the other elite welters, or beating a good fighter who's naturally bigger than him, then he's not getting ranked above Loma, Canelo, Usyk, Golovkin or Inoue on my list.

It's my list. It's subjective. If you disagree with me, that's fine. I just don't see it as a fair critique, to mark one fighter down vs another, based on showing more vulnerabilities, when that fighter has been fighting a higher level of opposition.

[ironbeard]

It was feather vs lightweight. Two diviisons difference.

You're entitled to your own reality. Wait, no you're not. It was lightweight vs lightweight. This was Lomachenko's fourth consecutive fight at lightweight. You're a perfect example of what's so annoying about Lomachenko's fans.

X2

[Onetimeonly]

Poor little loma getting compared to giant Crawford. You guys are ridiculous.

I never said Crawford was huge. He isn't. He's just not fighting anyone naturally 1-2 divisions heavier than he is, nor does he have the quality name's on his resume.

Crawford is awesome. He just gets a bit too much credit for cleaning out a weak division, and hasn't really made much noise at welterweight yet. Until Crawford actually does something to prove otherwise, such as beating the other elite welters, or beating a good fighter who's naturally bigger than him, then he's not getting ranked above Loma, Canelo, Usyk, Golovkin or Inoue on my list.

It's my list. It's subjective. If you disagree with me, that's fine. I just don't see it as a fair critique, to mark one fighter down vs another, based on showing more vulnerabilities, when that fighter has been fighting a higher level of opposition.

Your list is just fine, pretending loma is this tiny any fighting huge great fighters is just a fantasy world. Crawford is a smallish welter, but a welter all the same as loma is a lightweight. Linares, Campbell, crolla aren't different level opposition.

[Impractical Poster]

A few people on this thread alone have said he's the best ever. Various pundits were claiming it over the last couple of weeks.

Who?

Because whoever said that, can't be taken seriously.

He's not even definitely the best of RIGHT GODDAMN NOW, let alone the best ever.

He's the best I've seen in my time watching fights. But I admit, I have not really watched many fights pre 95ish.

[Counter-puncher]

You've seen Floyd and think Loma is the best?

I always knew you were pussy-struck over Loma.

[Onetimeonly]

I'm old as fornicate, but I doubt loma would be in the top 100 I've seen.

[gilgamesh]

Who?

Because whoever said that, can't be taken seriously.

He's not even definitely the best of RIGHT GODDAMN NOW, let alone the best ever.

He's the best I've seen in my time watching fights. But I admit, I have not really watched many fights pre 95ish.

I've been a hardcore fan since 2001, and Loma isn't the best I've seen.

[Impractical Poster]

You've seen Floyd and think Loma is the best?

I always knew you were pussy-struck over Loma.

My view seems to have riled you up.

My top 3 I've seen.

Lomachenko
RJJ
Mayweather

Loma is better at working offense and defense together. Floyd was a brilliant defensive fighter. His counters are some of the best ever. Loma takes it though. Never seen anything like him. He made other elite fighters look like novices and quit. I don't understand why my view is under attack. But ok.

[Impractical Poster]

He's the best I've seen in my time watching fights. But I admit, I have not really watched many fights pre 95ish.

I've been a hardcore fan since 2001, and Loma isn't the best I've seen.

Out of curiosity, what fighters do you see as better?

[gilgamesh]

I've been a hardcore fan since 2001, and Loma isn't the best I've seen.

Out of curiosity, what fighters do you see as better?

Floyd, Pacquiao, Hopkins

Loma still has a ways to go to match any of those 3, and he may not even definitively wind up as the top talent of this current generation that he has a tenuous grasp on the #1 slot on. Usyk, Spence and Crawford all on his heels.

I've never seen better footwork than Loma's though. The fluidity of his movement is something to behold for sure.

[jujigatame]

Loma is amazing but I don't think you can put him up there with Mayweather yet. Floyd performed similarly against superior opponents. Loma never cleaned house at 130 and Linares is the only elite fighter he's faced in quite some time.

He might be an ATG but Top Rank is holding him back.

[gilgamesh]

Loma is amazing but I don't think you can put him up there with Mayweather yet. Floyd performed similarly against superior opponents. Loma never cleaned house at 130 and Linares is the only elite fighter he's faced in quite some time.

He might be an ATG but Top Rank is holding him back.

I don't think anyone is holding him back exactly. He's just not had enough Elite wins to be on THAT kinda level.

I mean Floyd arguably has more Elite wins than Loma has wins, and the Elite wins for Floyd are of a bigger variety as well.

[Impractical Poster]

Out of curiosity, what fighters do you see as better?

Floyd, Pacquiao, Hopkins

Loma still has a ways to go to match any of those 3, and he may not even definitively wind up as the top talent of this current generation that he has a tenuous grasp on the #1 slot on. Usyk, Spence and Crawford all on his heels.

I've never seen better footwork than Loma's though. The fluidity of his movement is something to behold for sure.

I respect your opinion but disagree. Technically, he is superior to all three from my perspective. But, it's my view not yours.

[oogiebe]

Loma is amazing but I don't think you can put him up there with Mayweather yet. Floyd performed similarly against superior opponents. Loma never cleaned house at 130 and Linares is the only elite fighter he's faced in quite some time.

He might be an ATG but Top Rank is holding him back.

I don't think anyone is holding him back exactly. He's just not had enough Elite wins to be on THAT kinda level.

I mean Floyd arguably has more Elite wins than Loma has wins, and the Elite wins for Floyd are of a bigger variety as well.

Been watching since the late 60's. I watch Loma and wonder how so many think he's among the top all time greats. I just don't see it. He's really good, but not at that level, at least to me.

[gilgamesh]

Which may well be true. There's almost certainly has been technically better fighters in the past that don't get nearly as much recognition as those 3, but it's who you beat, and how you look beating 'em that stands out in the memories of people.

Right now Loma just doesn't have as many wins to be able to stack up with guys like that, and it's unlikely he'll be able to, but he'll be a joy to watch all the way nevertheless.