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ironbeard wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:22

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 13:30 To say he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev is just dishonest. They pretty much split the rounds and what rounds Ward did win weren't by outboxing, they were through getting inside and being physical, going to the body and roughhousing. He took this approach precisely because when he boxed Kov at a distance he had lost most of the rounds and got dropped in the first half of their fight. He adapted and so credit for that.

Hey, fair play if you though Ward won both fights, that to me isn't the issue, but saying he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev isn't true in terms of the competitiveness or how Ward won the fights.

Ward was more of a strong, physical bully than a slick technical boxer. People who loved him just lump him into the latter a lot of the time because he wasn't a puncher and usually won decisions, and even people who don't like him often compare him to guys with totally different styles. A lot of people are lazy when it comes to assessing him.

I had him winning by a point in a fight that he was down 20-17 going into the 3rd. In the second fight, it was Kovalev won 2 or 3 rounds, close.

Doing the math, without looking back at my cards, that is 12-6 or 13-5 in the 18 rounds after round 2 of the first fight, capped with a stoppage. If you get your panties bunched at the word comprehensive being utilized with that type of domination, fine. Call it close (although it wasn’t). Blame it on judges, refs, fouls, whatever.

Ward kicked Kovalev’s ass comprehensively in that 18 rounds, imo.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:29 So you had Ward winning the first fight by a single point, then can see the second being only a 1 point fight till the end. That doesn't really seem anything close to comprehensive 18 rounds of outboxing or whooping. My panties aren't really bunched btw, I can see the case for the Ward wins. Clearly you are super emotional about Ward-Kov as has ongoing been shown.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:33

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:29 So you had Ward winning the first fight by a single point, then can see the second being only a 1 point fight till the end. That doesn't really seem anything close to comprehensive 18 rounds of outboxing or whooping. My panties aren't really bunched btw, I can see the case for the Ward wins. Clearly you are super emotional about Ward-Kov as has ongoing been shown.

You asked for my score from the first fight. I said I'd have to watch it again, but I know I had it close for Ward. Just saying.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:26

ironbeard wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:22
I had him winning by a point in a fight that he was down 20-17 going into the 3rd. In the second fight, it was Kovalev won 2 or 3 rounds, close.

Doing the math, without looking back at my cards, that is 12-6 or 13-5 in the 18 rounds after round 2 of the first fight, capped with a stoppage. If you get your panties bunched at the word comprehensive being utilized with that type of domination, fine. Call it close (although it wasn’t). Blame it on judges, refs, fouls, whatever.

Ward kicked Kovalev’s ass comprehensively in that 18 rounds, imo.

If anyone’s getting their panties in a bunch about this, it’s you. Not our problem you don’t have functioning eyes.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 13:30 To say he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev is just dishonest. They pretty much split the rounds and what rounds Ward did win weren't by outboxing, they were through getting inside and being physical, going to the body and roughhousing. He took this approach precisely because when he boxed Kov at a distance he had lost most of the rounds and got dropped in the first half of their fight. He adapted and so credit for that.

Hey, fair play if you though Ward won both fights, that to me isn't the issue, but saying he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev isn't true in terms of the competitiveness or how Ward won the fights.

Ward was more of a strong, physical bully than a slick technical boxer. People who loved him just lump him into the latter a lot of the time because he wasn't a puncher and usually won decisions, and even people who don't like him often compare him to guys with totally different styles. A lot of people are lazy when it comes to assessing him.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:33
You asked for my score from the first fight. I said I'd have to watch it again, but I know I had it close for Ward. Just saying.

That was a response to to Ironbeard

So you are #TeamWard!! USA USA! Now you need to start fighting with people from #TeamKov RUSSIA RUSSIA

I had Kov winning the first fight 115-112, but can see the close rounds that could swing it.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:35

That was a response to to Ironbeard

So you are #TeamWard!! USA USA! Now you need to start fighting with people from #TeamKov RUSSIA RUSSIA

I had Kov winning the first fight 115-112, but can see the close rounds that could swing it.

I knew who you were aiming at. There were a couple of rounds that were razor close. I had the second fight pretty close too. Maybe even Kov even or slightly ahead at the time of the stoppage.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:39
I knew who you were aiming at. There were a couple of rounds that were razor close. I had the second fight pretty close too. Maybe even Kov even or slightly ahead at the time of the stoppage.

Sounds like someone’s got their panties in a bunch!

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:41

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:40

Sounds like someone’s got their panties in a bunch!

Nah...just putting my two cents into the conversation. LOL!

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:42

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:41

Nah...just putting my two cents into the conversation. LOL!

I was kidding

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:29 So you had Ward winning the first fight by a single point, then can see the second being only a 1 point fight till the end. That doesn't really seem anything close to comprehensive 18 rounds of outboxing or whooping. And btw that would equate to you being able to see 8 of 18 rounds for Kov, so 10-8 and not 13-5. My panties aren't really bunched btw, I can see the case for the Ward wins. Clearly you are super emotional about Ward-Kov as has ongoing been shown.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:38 Mate it clearly stirs you, just because someone didn't see a comprehensive outboxing you tell them their panties are bunched

ironbeard wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:57

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:38 Mate it clearly stirs you, just because someone didn't see a comprehensive outboxing you tell them their panties are bunched

Not at all. Just my opinion.

According to many, Ward deserves no credit for anything of note that he did in his entire career. Those are the people who have been stirred, since he busted up Kessler.

ironbeard wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:57

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:38 Mate it clearly stirs you, just because someone didn't see a comprehensive outboxing you tell them their panties are bunched

Not at all. Just my opinion.

According to many, Ward deserves no credit for anything of note that he did in his entire career. Those are the people who have been stirred, since he busted up Kessler.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:57 Oh, now I see you conveniently don't count the first two rounds that Kov clearly won

adislav123 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 16:04 kovalev would've got the decision if fairly judged in first fight vs. ward.

ward vs. kovalev 2 is one of the stand out examples of total corruption of the sport.

still find it crazy how obvious the poo was they pulled off, not giving a fvck about the fact that everyone with an ounce of brain is aware of the corruption.

ironbeard wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 16:16

adislav123 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 16:04 kovalev would've got the decision if fairly judged in first fight vs. ward.

ward vs. kovalev 2 is one of the stand out examples of total corruption of the sport.

still find it crazy how obvious the poo was they pulled off, not giving a fvck about the fact that everyone with an ounce of brain is aware of the corruption.

Still attempting to pull the twisted panties out, unsuccessfully.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 16:00

ironbeard wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 15:57
Not at all. Just my opinion.

According to many, Ward deserves no credit for anything of note that he did in his entire career. Those are the people who have been stirred, since he busted up Kessler.

I certainly wouldn't be among those who give him NO credit. I rate him as possibly the all time best Super Middleweight or at least 1a with the possible tie being with Calzaghe, I acknowledge all of his other victories as being controversy free in my view.

I never got on board any of the hubbub about the Kessler fight. That was just business as usual to me.

I call 'em like I see 'em. The Ward-Kovalev fights are both tainted.