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Re: Pros fighting in amateurs
Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 05:28
by locoxelbox
After London 2012 APB was introduced with longer bouts 6/8 and 12 round title bouts and more pro boxers joined. APB only lasted from 2014-2016 and even here the pro boxers didn´t slaughter any opponents.
Pro boxers who fought in APB:
Dilshod Mahmudov (UZB)
Boris Georgiev (BUL)
Redouane Asloum (FRA)
Marcos Nader (AUT)
Khedafi Djelkhir (FRA)
Mathieu Bauderlique (FRA) – qualified from APB – Bronze medalist at the 2016 Olympics
David Graf (GER) – qualified from APB – lost 1st bout
Carlos Aquino (ARG)
Spas Genov (BUL)
Bauderlique, Djelkhir and Graf qualified for Rio through APB with Djelkhir withdrawing citing lack of support from French federation. Bauderlique was a bronze medalist in Rio, losing to Cuban great Julio Cesar La Cruz, while Graf lost in his opening bout.
Re: Pros fighting in amateurs
Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 05:30
by locoxelbox
In 2016 AIBA decided to let pro boxers fight in amateur competitions starting with the Olympic qualifying tournament in Venezuela where pros competed against WSB and APB boxers. Out of 20+ pro boxers only 3 qualified and none of them won gold even at the qualification tournament.
Pro boxers who tried to qualify for 2016 Olympics in the Pro/WSB/APB qualifier:
Ahmed Samir (EGY)
Carlos Aquino (ARG)
Geard Ajetovic (SER)
Norbert Nemesapati (HUN)
Petar Maukovic (SER)
Dilbag Singh (IND)
Spas Genov (BUL)
Evan Nedd
Hermogenes Elizabeth Castillo (NCA)
Massimiliano Ballisai (ITA)
Carlos Manuel Portillo (PAR)
Israel Duffus (PAN)
Neeraj Goyat (IND)
Newfel Outah (ALG)
Alexis Concepcion (ESP)
Carlos Suarez (TRI)
Ladislav Kutil (CZE)
Petru Ciobanu (ROM)
Arman Hakobyan (BUL)
Amnat Ruenroeng – qualified for Rio - lost 2nd bout
Carmine Tommasone qualified for Rio - lost 2nd bout
Hassan Ndam Njikam – qualified for Rio - lost 1st bout
Re: Pros fighting in amateurs
Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 05:31
by locoxelbox
After Rio Olympics many boxers have been mixing both pro and amateur, most notably some of the top Uzbek boxers.
Mixing Pro boxing with amateur (after 2016 Rule change):
Dzemal Bosnjak (BIH)
Hadi Srour (NOR)
Shakhobidin Zoirov (UZB)
Elnur Abduraimov (UZB)
Bakhodir Jalolov (UZB)
Mirzohidjon Abdullaev (UZB)
Vincenzo Mangiacapre (ITA)
Vladan Babic (SER)
Sanjar Tursunov (UZB)
Madiyar Saydrakhimov (UZB)
Gamzat Gamzaliev (RUS)
Israil Madrimov (UZB)
Wenbin Cong (CHN)
Gabriel Maestre (VEN)
Omurbek Malabekov (KGZ)
Avak Uzlyan (RUS)
Jhonatan Romero (COL) – former World Champion
Shunkor Abdurasulov (UZB)
Luis Arcon (VEN)
Yoel Finol (VEN)
Tsendbaatar Erdenebat (MGL)
Dieudonne Wilfred Seyi Ntsengue (CMR)
Vikas Krishan (IND)
Thurasi Tharumalingam (GER)
Petar Maukovic (SER)
And some pro boxers seem to have come back to amateur boxing altogether.
Coming back to amateur from pro:
Denys Solonenko (UKR)
Pavlo Ischchenko (UKR)
Danis Latypov (RUS)
Branimir Stankovic (SER)
Arman Hakobyan (BUL)
Re: Pros fighting in amateurs
Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 05:35
by locoxelbox
In women´s boxing the cross over is even bigger with plenty of women pros having fought in last two World Championships, including some former world champions of which none won a medal.
Former pro World Champions who fought in 2018 and/or 2019 World Championships:
Karolina Koszewska (Karolina Lukasik) (POL)
IBF Super Welter
Int WBA Super Welter
Zongju Cai (CHN)
IBF Minimum
Nina Radovanovic (Nina Stojanovic) (SER)
IBO Fly
Dayana Cordero (COL)
Int WBA Bantam
Other pros who fought in 2018 and/or 2019 World Championships:
Anahit Aroyan (ARM)
Dan Dou (CHN) – 2018, 2019 World Champion
Milana Safronova (KAZ) – 2019 Bronze medalist
Shih Yi Wu (TPE)
Inna Statkevych (UKR)
Jutamas Jitpong (THA)
Thi Linh Ha (VIE)
Ana Starovoitova (LTU)
L Sarita Devi (IND)
Shoira Zulkaynarova (TJK)
Avi Hovsepyan (ARM)
Steluta Duta (ROM)
Pinki Rani (IND)
Jemyma Betrian (NED) – 2018 Bronze medalist
Former Muay Thai World Champion (35-3-1), Kick boxer, MMA fighter (2-0) and Pro boxer (3-0)
Cong Wang – 2019 Silver medalist
Pro Kick boxer and Muay Thai
Of these boxers only Wang (silver), Dou (gold) and Safronova (bronze) reached the medal rounds in Russia. Betryan got bronze last year and lost in quarters this year. The four former world champions Koszewska, Cai, Radovanovic and Cordero were eliminated in the prelims/quarters.
Re: Pros fighting in amateurs
Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 05:43
by locoxelbox
As seen above, for the last nine years there has been no slaughter from professional boxers against kids like so many people predicted.
The 3x3 min format with bigger gloves (and headgear for women) gives a much higher intensity and KO´s are rare except for the occasional heavy/super heavy KO.
Amateur boxers of today are not the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago. Most top countries have world class facilities for their Olympic teams and these boxers travel and compete all over the world for many years.
The professional boxer has to adapt to a much faster and intense type of boxing where there is little time to adjust. They can´t rely on their power the same way as in a long pro bout, etc. Having to give weight the morning of every bout for a week or two will complicate things further which we saw in Rio where the pros had to fight at a higher weight than they do in pro.
Re: Pros fighting in amateurs
Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 08:12
by siablo14
locoxelbox wrote: ↑16 Oct 2019, 05:31
After Rio Olympics many boxers have been mixing both pro and amateur, most notably some of the top Uzbek boxers.
Mixing Pro boxing with amateur (after 2016 Rule change):
Dzemal Bosnjak (BIH)
Hadi Srour (NOR)
Shakhobidin Zoirov (UZB)
Elnur Abduraimov (UZB)
Bakhodir Jalolov (UZB)
Mirzohidjon Abdullaev (UZB)
Vincenzo Mangiacapre (ITA)
Vladan Babic (SER)
Sanjar Tursunov (UZB)
Madiyar Saydrakhimov (UZB)
Gamzat Gamzaliev (RUS)
Israil Madrimov (UZB)
Wenbin Cong (CHN)
Gabriel Maestre (VEN)
Omurbek Malabekov (KGZ)
Avak Uzlyan (RUS)
Jhonatan Romero (COL) – former World Champion
Shunkor Abdurasulov (UZB)
Luis Arcon (VEN)
Yoel Finol (VEN)
Tsendbaatar Erdenebat (MGL)
Dieudonne Wilfred Seyi Ntsengue (CMR)
Vikas Krishan (IND)
Thurasi Tharumalingam (GER)
Petar Maukovic (SER)
And some pro boxers seem to have come back to amateur boxing altogether.
Coming back to amateur from pro:
Denys Solonenko (UKR)
Pavlo Ischchenko (UKR)
Danis Latypov (RUS)
Branimir Stankovic (SER)
Arman Hakobyan (BUL)
Nice breakdown. More pros in Olympics might bring great attention to the events.
Re: Pros fighting in amateurs
Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 08:15
by siablo14
locoxelbox wrote: ↑16 Oct 2019, 05:43
As seen above, for the last nine years there has been no slaughter from professional boxers against kids like so many people predicted.
The 3x3 min format with bigger gloves (and headgear for women) gives a much higher intensity and KO´s are rare except for the occasional heavy/super heavy KO.
Amateur boxers of today are not the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago. Most top countries have world class facilities for their Olympic teams and these boxers travel and compete all over the world for many years.
The professional boxer has to adapt to a much faster and intense type of boxing where there is little time to adjust. They can´t rely on their power the same way as in a long pro bout, etc. Having to give weight the morning of every bout for a week or two will complicate things further which we saw in Rio where the pros had to fight at a higher weight than they do in pro.
Well said......