BoxRec

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 21:25 Lmao, I've been pondering that but he isn't all over wilder and is more antagonistic than jip. The pac lust is there tho.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 21:57

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 21:25 Lmao, I've been pondering that but he isn't all over wilder and is more antagonistic than jip. The pac lust is there tho.

The over the top praise of certain fighters reminds me of Kalan

RonnyJ wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 19:39

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 18:09

Canelo doesn't have P4P skills? Who determines that. If you win, you win and you win with skills. Canelo in my opinion is more skilled technically than Shane Mosley, someone else who at one point was considered P4P 1. Not saying Canelo is actually better, but more skilled than Shane.

Mosley was faster, both have a hard punch, canelo has a supeior technique. Overall i eould have mosley > canelo, but it could in reality be the other way.

Who the n1 boxer in the world is is mainly determined who your competitors are. For prime floyd mayweather there was 0 discussion to be the n1 boxer p4p, because prime jones was around. Mosley or hopkins were weaker p4p n1, compared to jones, whitacker, leonard.

Inoue and loma are just better boxers and above canelo, in weaker years canelo would be p4p n1.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 22:34

RonnyJ wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 19:39

Mosley was faster, both have a hard punch, canelo has a supeior technique. Overall i eould have mosley > canelo, but it could in reality be the other way.

Who the n1 boxer in the world is is mainly determined who your competitors are. For prime floyd mayweather there was 0 discussion to be the n1 boxer p4p, because prime jones was around. Mosley or hopkins were weaker p4p n1, compared to jones, whitacker, leonard.

Inoue and loma are just better boxers and above canelo, in weaker years canelo would be p4p n1.

Canelo had better competitors than both Inoue and Lomachenko.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 23:05

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 22:34

Canelo had better competitors than both Inoue and Lomachenko.

I compared inoue, loma and canelo as competitors for the n1, i did not compare them with their competitors on their record.

Canelo fought more good opponents than loma and inoue. But he also had more gift/suspect wins.

Record wise I maybe even wouldnt argue him over everybody. Inoue & loma are just better boxers.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 23:17

RonnyJ wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 23:05

I compared inoue, loma and canelo as competitors for the n1, i did not compare them with their competitors on their record.

Canelo fought more good opponents than loma and inoue. But he also had more gift/suspect wins.

Record wise I maybe even wouldnt argue him over everybody. Inoue & loma are just better boxers.

Then you bring up Floyd, who also had gift decisions.