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Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 21:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 19:47
Let me know what your thoughts are about the situation? I just want to make sure you’re not wasting my time and you’ve shown enough initiative to research the subject matter yourself.

It ain’t difficult.

EO, if I knew about the situation, why the hell would I be asking you to tell us about it? So please... enlighten us.

Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

The WBC would then immediately hand over the vacant belt to Golovkin the very same day, which was GGG’s third world title he’d captured without having to fight for (i.e. awarded outside the ring).

The WBC’s actions led to a long-running feud between Canelo and Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation, whereby Alvarez refused to pay any sanctioning fees to the WBC or accept any of their belts (even commemorative ones) for 2½ years.

Mauricio Sulaiman actually publicly declared that he was “tired” of Canelo’s “childish actions” when Alvarez rejected their commemorative belt for the Chavez Jr. fight or pay them sanctioning fees or accept their world title for the first GGG bout.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 04:56

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 21:32
EO, if I knew about the situation, why the hell would I be asking you to tell us about it? So please... enlighten us.

Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

The WBC would then immediately hand over the vacant belt to Golovkin the very same day, which was GGG’s third world title belt he’d captured without having to fight for (i.e. awarded outside the ring).

The WBC’s actions led to a long-running feud between Canelo and Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation, whereby Alvarez refused to pay any sanctioning fees to the WBC or accept any of their belts (even commemorative ones) for 2½ years.

Mauricio Sulaiman actually publicly declared that he was “tired” of Canelo’s “childish actions” when Alvarez rejected their commemorative belt for the Chavez Jr. fight or pay them sanctioning fees or accept their world title for the first GGG bout.

The best way for everyone to deal with these so called 'governing bodies' is to just ignore them. The sport can flourish without them. Even most fans nowadays couldn't care less about the belts on the line. The world champ organisations have diluted our sport beyond repair! They're meant to be enhancing the game and all they are doing is damaging it again and again. Like MPs. Self serving, self important, greedy cünts who aren't doing the actual job they're supposed to be doing!

KiwiRider wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 14:55

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 12:28

I don't know why they don't fight each other?

Because no one wants to see it.
BooJS and Andrade would stink the joint out so bad, the venue would never be fit for humans outside of a hazmat suit.

So since when by fighting bums and complain that no top name wants to fight you(BJS&D.A) is a better thing for your career/legacy?!lol

If BJS&Andrade would fight each other, the winner of this fight would have a better chance to get a fight vs a big name like Canelo Alvarez than doing nothing.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 18:49 Canelo would beat BJS

And then omg it would be so convenient to say he simply wasn't fit and focused

Btw a good few fighters would school or simply beatdown Lem whether at 168 or 160, GGG didn't even get touched despite being notoriously hittable. Don't really know how anyone watches BJS and sees a guy who doesn't lose to anyone at 168 or 160.

Aside from terrible showings like the other night, or the random Turkish guy hurting him, he usually just scrapes by even vs his better opposition. Ryder, Lee, Eubank, etc...all just edged them. Monroe was a 116-113 type fight and hell even Blackwell pushed him. The fight vs a totally crude Lemieux has caused some people to forget that and act like he's some sort of 12-0 boxing master.

Well said. Also an unknown fighter like Artur Akavov gave BJS all he could handle. Ohhh but, but BJS wasn't enough focused and fit in that fight! lol Like the job of a pro boxer is not to get in the best shape possible for a fight!?

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 05:25

KiwiRider wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 14:55

Because no one wants to see it.
BooJS and Andrade would stink the joint out so bad, the venue would never be fit for humans outside of a hazmat suit.

So since when by fighting bums and complain that no top name wants to fight you(BJS&D.A) is a better thing for your career/legacy?!lol

If BJS&Andrade would fight each other, the winner of this fight would have a better chance to get a fight vs a big name like Canelo Alvarez than doing nothing.

Do you honestly believe that DAZN wouldn’t have funded so many acquisitions for their stable of fighters capable of competing at 160lbs to 168lbs without them being intended to face each other at some point (i.e. the likes of Canelo, GGG, Daniel Jacobs, Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, Demetrius Andrade, David Lemieux, Dmitry Bivol etc.)?

I’m not being contrary or argumentative, this is a serious question.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 17:44 We know the circumstances: WBC sanctioned Cotto vs Canelo under a condition that a winner will fight GGG in their first defense.

Yup. Spot on. But it seemed like Khan, Liam Smith and JCCJr were more intriguing fights for Canelo. lol

for the 155 lbs mw lineal title lol

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 21:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 19:47
Let me know what your thoughts are about the situation? I just want to make sure you’re not wasting my time and you’ve shown enough initiative to research the subject matter yourself.

It ain’t difficult.

EO, if I knew about the situation, why the hell would I be asking you to tell us about it? So please... enlighten us.

lazboy wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 03:20 We are all just waiting with bated breath aren’t we

Stuarty wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 04:46 Well he's certainly a better 'scalp' than Rocky fuckin Fielding who Canelo fought just a year ago! BJS is a real fight for Canelo and not just a headline grab like the Fielding debacle!

No doubt.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 05:57

So your tactic is to bury my response by submitting a barrage of uninformative posts containing emojis?

Here's a reminder:

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 03:30Canelo gave up/vacated his mw WBC title to not fight GGG when G was still strong and very dangerous as everybody knows very well that. He wasn't G's fault.

Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

The WBC would then immediately hand over the vacant belt to Golovkin the very same day, which was GGG’s third world title he’d captured without having to fight for (i.e. awarded outside the ring).

The WBC’s actions led to a long-running feud between Canelo and Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation, whereby Alvarez refused to pay any sanctioning fees to the WBC or accept any of their belts (even commemorative ones) for 2½ years.

Mauricio Sulaiman actually publicly declared that he was “tired” of Canelo’s “childish actions” when Alvarez rejected their commemorative belt for the Chavez Jr. fight or pay them sanctioning fees or accept their world title for the first GGG bout.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 04:56

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Nov 2019, 21:32
EO, if I knew about the situation, why the hell would I be asking you to tell us about it? So please... enlighten us.

Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

The WBC would then immediately hand over the vacant belt to Golovkin the very same day, which was GGG’s third world title he’d captured without having to fight for (i.e. awarded outside the ring).

The WBC’s actions led to a long-running feud between Canelo and Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation, whereby Alvarez refused to pay any sanctioning fees to the WBC or accept any of their belts (even commemorative ones) for 2½ years.

Mauricio Sulaiman actually publicly declared that he was “tired” of Canelo’s “childish actions” when Alvarez rejected their commemorative belt for the Chavez Jr. fight or pay them sanctioning fees or accept their world title for the first GGG bout.

WBC was enforcing their rules. 15 days to reach an agreement was resonable time. It wasn't wbc's problem what legal issues has Canelo to deal with. Canelo was acting like a diva and wanted to buy more time because Golovkin was too strong and still young enough to worth the risk. Eventually Canelo dropped his title when he saw he can't impose his diva's demands. After that he fought a chiny washed up ww Khan, then Liam Smith and then a drained washed up version of JCCJr.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 06:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 04:56
Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

The WBC would then immediately hand over the vacant belt to Golovkin the very same day, which was GGG’s third world title he’d captured without having to fight for (i.e. awarded outside the ring).

The WBC’s actions led to a long-running feud between Canelo and Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation, whereby Alvarez refused to pay any sanctioning fees to the WBC or accept any of their belts (even commemorative ones) for 2½ years.

Mauricio Sulaiman actually publicly declared that he was “tired” of Canelo’s “childish actions” when Alvarez rejected their commemorative belt for the Chavez Jr. fight or pay them sanctioning fees or accept their world title for the first GGG bout.

WBC was enforcing their rules. 15 days to reach an agreement was resonable time. It wasn't wbc's problem what legal issues has Canelo to deal with. Canelo was acting like a diva and wanted to buy more time because Golovkin was too strong and still young enough to worth the risk. Eventually Canelo dropped his title when he saw he can't impose his diva's demands. After that he fought a chiny washed up ww Khan, then Liam Smith and then a drained washed up version of JCCJr.

Did you actually read my post prior to responding to it.

Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

Anyway the main advantage of Canelo was his youth. So the time was on Canelo's side and it allowed to him to coast through some paper matches (Khan, Smith snd JCCJr) till he chose more or less inspired the adequate moment to make a move and take the fight with GGG. Even so, Canelo got beat by GGG in their first match. lol

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 06:27

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 06:15

WBC was enforcing their rules. 15 days to reach an agreement was resonable time. It wasn't wbc's problem what legal issues has Canelo to deal with. Canelo was acting like a diva and wanted to buy more time because Golovkin was too strong and still young enough to worth the risk. Eventually Canelo dropped his title when he saw he can't impose his diva's demands. After that he fought a chiny washed up ww Khan, then Liam Smith and then a drained washed up version of JCCJr.

Did you actually read my post prior to responding to it.

Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

"Only? after three days" ............. "a blatantly unreasonable? 15-day deadline" is reasonable time and that were the WBC's rules which were enforced. WBC as a mexican sanctioning body was fair enough with Canelo Alvarez as a high profile mexican fighter.

So stop rubbing Canelo's pipe and look for arguing on my thread just because you don't like Golovkin.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 07:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 06:27
Did you actually read my post prior to responding to it.

Only three days after Canelo had defended his belt against Amir Khan, the WBC installed a blatantly unreasonable 15-day deadline for the Mexican to come to an agreement with Gennady Golovkin for a title defence, with the World Boxing Council president (Mauricio Sulaiman) knowing full-well that both Alvarez and also his promoter (Golden Boy) were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All-Star Boxing lawsuit.

It wasn’t possible for Canelo to adhere to the WBC’s unreasonably tight deadline, so he vacated the belt.

"Only? after three days" ............. "a blatantly unreasonable? 15-day deadline" is reasonable time and that were the WBC's rules which were enforced. WBC as a mexican sanctioning body was fair enough with Canelo Alvarez as a high profile mexican fighter.

So stop rubbing Canelo's pipe and look for arguing on my thread just because you don't like Golovkin.

No, the timing of them enforcing the deadline wasn’t in the WBC’s rules.

If you believe otherwise, then quote said rule.

And my post you quoted doesn’t contain any anti-GGG sentiment. It didn’t happen. His name wan't even mentioned in it.

WBC already did Canelo a favor allowing to "defend" against Khan and keep his belt. Canelo and Oscar knew right after beating Cotto that they need to reach an agreement with GGG. They didn't learn something new after the Khan fight.

Do you think if Saunders were to beat Canelo, he‘d get some credit for it on here?

Noxy wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:12 Do you think if Saunders were to beat Canelo, he‘d get some credit for it on here?

There is no way in hell he can beat Canelo. He could do what Lara did making Canelo look awkward and clueless, but not get a decision. Lara got a lot of credit for that fight, so why woudn't BJS ?

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:15

Noxy wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:12 Do you think if Saunders were to beat Canelo, he‘d get some credit for it on here?

There is no way in hell he can beat Canelo. He could do what Lara did making Canelo look awkward and clueless, but not get a decision. Lara got a lot of credit for that fight, so why woudn't BJS ?

Because he doesn’t seem popular on this forum, far from it in fact.

He's not popular in general, boring style and total cuntt of a man. Canelo gets even more hate though, that fight could actually turn ppl here towards bjs

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:02 WBC already did Canelo a favor allowing to "defend" against Khan and keep his belt. Canelo and Oscar knew right after beating Cotto that they need to reach an agreement with GGG. They didn't learn something new after the Khan fight.

True.

wbc was coddling Canelo with that 155 lbs mw title defense against a chiny washed up welter. lol

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:02 WBC already did Canelo a favor allowing to "defend" against Khan and keep his belt. Canelo and Oscar knew right after beating Cotto that they need to reach an agreement with GGG. They didn't learn something new after the Khan fight.

This.

Canelo had 6 months to agree terms to fight Golovkin (Nov 2015, up to the WBC's deadline in late May the following year).

After he beat Cotto, he asked for an interim fight, based on an agreement to face Golovkin in September 2016, to allow him time to properly acclimatise to middleweight (which he did by fighting Khan at 155). It shouldn't have come as any surprise that the WBC wanted to force through the fight by that point. They'd already made enough concessions.

On topic, I'd favour Canelo to beat Saunders, but it's still in the high risk, low reward category, however bad Saunders looks at times.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:02 WBC already did Canelo a favor allowing to "defend" against Khan and keep his belt. Canelo and Oscar knew right after beating Cotto that they need to reach an agreement with GGG. They didn't learn something new after the Khan fight.

This.

Canelo had 6 months to agree terms to fight Golovkin (Nov 2015, up to the WBC's deadline in late May the following year).

After he beat Cotto, he asked for an interim fight, based on an agreement to face Golovkin in September 2016, to allow him time to properly acclimatise to middleweight (which he did by fighting Khan at 155). It shouldn't have come as any surprise that the WBC wanted to force through the fight by that point. They'd already made enough concessions.

On topic, I'd favour Canelo to beat Saunders, but it's still in the high risk, low reward category, however bad Saunders looks at times.

Very accurate infos! Well said.

BJS is a lazy type of fighter with lay-off periods who spent his prime years by fighting mostly poor-ish competition to keep his 0 safe. BJS's last decent performance was against Lemieux. Since then, nothing notable for Billy.

Noxy wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:17

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Nov 2019, 12:15
There is no way in hell he can beat Canelo. He could do what Lara did making Canelo look awkward and clueless, but not get a decision. Lara got a lot of credit for that fight, so why woudn't BJS ?

Because he doesn’t seem popular on this forum, far from it in fact.

Neither is Lara. Runners and spoilers are not popular.