Wilder's title reign (pre Ortiz II)

[oogiebe]

What opponents did they cherry pick for each other based on style? Lol , are we thinking the likes of Adamek or Arreola or Solis etc would've been big bad news for Wlad?

I'm just thinking about the revenge fights.

[margaret thatcher]

Ewey says they cherry picked for each other by style, which cases though? Obviously they didn't cherry pick guys who both fought. And of course 'this klit fights this guy, this fights the other' , I mean they are different people and can't 2 vs 1 in a fight

[Finkel]

I looked into this comparison of Wilder and Klitschko a few days prior, but I didn't want to start a thread on it.
I have compared Wilder's WBC reign with Klitschko's IBF reign because they are both seen as important belts, and so you would expect the holder to face a decent level of opposition.

I'm going to use PBO rankings as they are unbiased, and keep a record of lineage

Deontay Wilder (WBC)
C. Stiverne - 6
1. Molina - 38
2. Duhaupas - 13
3. Szpilka - 14
4. Arreola - 37
5. Washington - 32
6. Stiverne - 14
7. Ortiz - 5
8. Fury - D
9. Breazeale - 10
10. Ortiz - 8

Wladimir Klitchko (IBF)
C. Byrd - 1
1. Brock - 10
2. Austin - 21
4. Brewster - 11
5. Ibragimov - 5
6. Thompson - 11
7. Rahman - 12
8. Chagaev - 4
9. Chambers - 8
10. Peter - 4

As a further comparison though, we can compare him to one of his current peers:

Anthony Joshua (IBF)
C. Martin - 15
1. Breazeale - 25
2. Molina - 22
3. Klitschko - 1
4. Takam - 9
5. Parker - 4
6. Povetkin - 2
7. Ruiz Jr. - L

[margaret thatcher]

What were Haye, Pulev, Pov, Fury, Jennings, and AJ rated when Wlad fought them?

[Finkel]

What were Haye, Pulev, Pov, Fury, Jennings, and AJ rated when Wlad fought them?

11. Haye - 3
12. Mormeck - 12
13. Thompson - 4
14. Wach - 16
15. Pianeta - 13
16. Povetkin - 3
17. Leapai - 31
18. Pulev - 3
19. Jennings - 7
*20. Fury - 4 (Loss)
*21. Joshua - 6 (Loss)

[margaret thatcher]

Was Wlad himself rated #1 at any of those time, or did he get a champion rating?

[Finkel]

It appears he was ranked #1 ever since beating Byrd
He was number #1 when he faced Joshua too (probably due to Fury's semi-retirement)

Anyway here's the link

https://premierboxingorganisation.com/l ... EAVYWEIGHT


Oh i just noticed there seems to be a discrepancy with Duhaupas rating, on the Lineal page he was rated #17 when Wilder fought him, but he was #13 on Wilder's record. All the other ratings appear to match up.

[DrDuke]

Wilder's title defences are obviously aided by cherry picking. He would have most likely been KTFOed by Povetkin in the bout, which was sabotaged.

[Tuan_Jim]

NOW, I realise, WHAT A ONE TRICK !
All of the criticisms above are still true, but his one-shot power is probably the best ever.
He's deeply flawed and beatable, but he'd have a chance against anyone in history on a good night.
Welcome to the elite club Sir Bronze of Bomber

A chance against anyone in history because he KOd... a 40 year old Cuban?

Or Bermain Stiverne?

Or someone else who impressed you? Spilka?

I doubt Wildee could beat Ray Mercer, let alone "anyone in history."

[samwbr]

Spzilka bullied him a bit, there is obviously someone who will beat him. He's impressive but that bombsquad thing is probably the woolest thing ever.

[Wee Tommy]

Truthfully? You’d want two brothers to fight, as if to the death, just to satisfy yourself? Can’t get my head round that poo

Not at all. Don't misconstrue. My point being that because they were brothers, the HW scene during that time was less 'settled.' I thought I already explained that.

I based my reply on the post quoted I don’t know if you explained it elsewhere but your mummy comment just seemed a bit off to me but fair enough

I’ve heard this lots of times. At the end of the day, who really cares about Lineal anymore? It’s farcical in this day of multiple titles and organisations. I don’t even think about it anymore and I also couldn’t care less which titles are on the line. Even unifications are pointless, the fighter invites more leeches to his purse for every fight and the leeches create an underling title. I just hope to see entertaining matches of high skill and drama and hope nobody gets seriously hurt in the process.

[skanksta]

NOW, I realise, WHAT A ONE TRICK !
All of the criticisms above are still true, but his one-shot power is probably the best ever.
He's deeply flawed and beatable, but he'd have a chance against anyone in history on a good night.
Welcome to the elite club Sir Bronze of Bomber

A chance against anyone in history because he KOd... a 40 year old Cuban?

Or Bermain Stiverne?

Or someone else who impressed you? Spilka?

I doubt Wildee could beat Ray Mercer, let alone "anyone in history."

I STILL think AJ would walk thru’ his spindly ass in a few rounds and Fury can box his other ear off in the rematch, let alone the likes of Lewis, Foreman, Ali...,

But yeah, on a good night he can take anyone out.
Normally “puncher’s chance” means “no chance” but Wilder could take out an ATG if they weren’t bringing their A game - why not ?

[Tuan_Jim]

A chance against anyone in history because he KOd... a 40 year old Cuban?

Or Bermain Stiverne?

Or someone else who impressed you? Spilka?

I doubt Wildee could beat Ray Mercer, let alone "anyone in history."

I STILL think AJ would walk thru’ his spindly ass in a few rounds and Fury can box his other ear off in the rematch, let alone the likes of Lewis, Foreman, Ali...,

But yeah, on a good night he can take anyone out.
Normally “puncher’s chance” means “no chance” but Wilder could take out an ATG if they weren’t bringing their A game - why not ?

Because he hasn't KOd a single heavyweight of lasting consequence?

[skanksta]

Buster Douglas, Oliver McCall, Leon Spinks...,

If Wilder is in the blue corner on your ‘off night’ he’s getting the KO win !

(And I STILL don’t think he’s very good).

[danconnollyeire]

Although Wilder's power is incredibly impressive people are getting very ahead of themselves. Ortiz made a mistake...

Wilder always throws that big right hand after a range finding jab. He tried that a lot in the fight but every single time Ortiz stepped to the right (smart) and Wilder was out of range. The KO was the only time Ortiz was stationary after that range finder which is why the right hand landed flush

Fury was always jittering about and stepping out of range and controlled distance brilliantly in their fight. Obviously he couldn't keep that focus for the whole 12 (hence the 2 knockdowns) but for the most of it, was way out of range for Wilder who choose to wildly swing rather than jab, killer straight right

He's been outboxed by lesser opponents too. Fury and Ortiz are elite level skills wise (shame Ortiz is 70 because a 10 year fresher Ortiz would've probably won). AJ doesn't have the spacial intelligence of Fury and Ortiz so it's probable that Wilder smashes him and AJ doesn't have the foot movement to avoid it. Saying that though, Wilder was knocked out as an amatuer and floored by Harold Sconiers so AJ certainly could KO Wilder if he got to him first