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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:25 Plenty of patience in that fight wasn't there

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 10:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 15:17
Yeah to me the first 4 rounds were all of the "Could go either way" variety pretty much. Fury won every round he didn't get dropped in after from Round 5 onward, but the early rounds being what they were, and then him getting dropped twice. Yeah, you got a draw.

I understand what you are saying but Round 3 was most definitely not a "could go either way" round. Fury outlanded Wilder 9-1 (Boxstat.co), 11-4 (Compubox),
If we use eye on the ring as a gauge
Round 3 had 96% of cards giving it Fury.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:41 I wonder were they scared of each other? I mean Wilder has ATG power and Fury hits so hard that he KO'd Braun Strowman

Paci wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:41 Im gonna rewatch it.

In rounds Fury won by 2, with the knockdowns and three rounds early on for Wilder, edged it out for a draw. Had no problem with the decision.
How Fury got up from a solid punch that was cleaner then against Ortiz it past weekend on the jaw. That is still pretty wtf... Wilders face is priceless when Fury gets up from it. Still taken by it. Legendary more or less, and fits the old saying "A champion get up when he can't"

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:10

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 17:43

Didn't you say you thought Fury won the fight previously. Only that you didn't like his antics..

I'm paraphrasing but pretty sure of it, as you addressed me directly when I was arguing the toss with ironbeard about Rochin's card being crooked

I scored it for Fury the first time I watched, but I had four of the first five rounds up in the air that could've gone either way. The second time I watched it I thought it was a draw. Neither would be a robbery, nor would Wilder by a point. Caveat. I'm not a professional judge.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:40

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 10:29

I understand what you are saying but Round 3 was most definitely not a "could go either way" round. Fury outlanded Wilder 9-1 (Boxstat.co), 11-4 (Compubox),
If we use eye on the ring as a gauge
Round 3 had 96% of cards giving it Fury.

He probably did win that round clear. I watched it a 2nd time, and saw some of those early rounds differently than I initially did. I probably thought Fury won that one upon review. Nevertheless Wilder would've only needed 3 other rounds aside from the knockdown rounds for the draw to be legit.

And there were at least 3 up in the air rounds.

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:10
I scored it for Fury the first time I watched, but I had four of the first five rounds up in the air that could've gone either way. The second time I watched it I thought it was a draw. Neither would be a robbery, nor would Wilder by a point. Caveat. I'm not a professional judge.

Interesting, watching it live made it seem closer for me, with the adrenaline flowing, and knowing judges had form for giving Wilder rounds he doesn't win. So I was unfortunately expecting another Lewis/Hollyfield situation when the fight ended.

When I sat down to watch it again, carefully, round by round, pausing the fight to note down the significant punches, I could only give 2 rounds (that was stretching for me) on top of 9 and 12 to Wilder.
It baffles me to think what criteria people would be using to get a Wilder victory. I.e. giving him 6 of 12 rounds.

I have some experience corner judging martial arts at a high level. But boxing is a different sport.

Obviously I also had the benefit of taking time to slow the fight down. Pro judges don't have that benefit. But Rochin gave 7 rounds to Wilder which is appalling to the point of already having his card filled in.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:19

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:58

Interesting, watching it live made it seem closer for me, with the adrenaline flowing, and knowing judges had form for giving Wilder rounds he doesn't win. So I was unfortunately expecting another Lewis/Hollyfield situation when the fight ended.

When I sat down to watch it again, carefully, round by round, pausing the fight to note down the significant punches, I could only give 2 rounds (that was stretching for me) on top of 9 and 12 to Wilder.
It baffles me to think what criteria people would be using to get a Wilder victory. I.e. giving him 6 of 12 rounds.

I have some experience corner judging martial arts at a high level. But boxing is a different sport.

Obviously I also had the benefit of taking time to slow the fight down. Pro judges don't have that benefit. But Rochin gave 7 rounds to Wilder which is appalling to the point of already having his card filled in.

If I remember right, I had several even rounds. A fight that close is very subjective. Interesting that you took the time and played the fight and slowed things down like that. Watching in real time was tedious enough for me. Must have mattered an awful lot to you.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:19

If I remember right, I had several even rounds. A fight that close is very subjective. Interesting that you took the time and played the fight and slowed things down like that. Watching in real time was tedious enough for me. Must have mattered an awful lot to you.

The judges ain't breaking it down in slow motion, and counting every single punch. They're going by what they see, and they didn't see Fury winning.

And he didn't.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:20 I don't care that much. They can settle it in the rematch. Draw was fair to me.

I do know that Fury probably needs to punch more and pose less if he wants to win rounds convincingly.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:21

The judges ain't breaking it down in slow motion, and counting every single punch. They're going by what they see, and they didn't see Fury winning.

And he didn't.

Didn't see GGG beating Canelo either

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:20 I don't care that much. They can settle it in the rematch. Draw was fair to me.

I do know that Fury probably needs to punch more and pose less if he wants to win rounds convincingly.

Sticking out tongue: 3 points. Waving arms in air; 6 points

don't think Fury will ever be able to dedicate himself and be as good as that night again. I also have my doubts that Tyson will get in the ring again vs Wilder.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:19

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:58

Interesting, watching it live made it seem closer for me, with the adrenaline flowing, and knowing judges had form for giving Wilder rounds he doesn't win. So I was unfortunately expecting another Lewis/Hollyfield situation when the fight ended.

When I sat down to watch it again, carefully, round by round, pausing the fight to note down the significant punches, I could only give 2 rounds (that was stretching for me) on top of 9 and 12 to Wilder.
It baffles me to think what criteria people would be using to get a Wilder victory. I.e. giving him 6 of 12 rounds.

I have some experience corner judging martial arts at a high level. But boxing is a different sport.

Obviously I also had the benefit of taking time to slow the fight down. Pro judges don't have that benefit. But Rochin gave 7 rounds to Wilder which is appalling to the point of already having his card filled in.

If I remember right, I had several even rounds. A fight that close is very subjective. Interesting that you took the time and played the fight and slowed things down like that. Watching in real time was tedious enough for me. Must have mattered an awful lot to you.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:26

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:22

Sticking out tongue: 3 points. Waving arms in air; 6 points

don't think Fury will ever be able to dedicate himself and be as good as that night again. I also have my doubts that Tyson will get in the ring again vs Wilder.

If you're referring to the Wlad performance...one of the worst fights of all time. I certainly hope he never duplicates that effort.

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:19

If I remember right, I had several even rounds. A fight that close is very subjective. Interesting that you took the time and played the fight and slowed things down like that. Watching in real time was tedious enough for me. Must have mattered an awful lot to you.

It mattered to be able to back up my arguments in the face of idiocy, yes.

Plus I had nothing better to do on a rainy day mid week, during the slowest part of the year, it's not like I went through it frame by frame. I just wanted to understand where the Wilder fans were coming from.

I couldn't.

Again it was only close if you ignore all other factors including Fury's defensive skills. And only focus on work put in by Wilder. Which is what a dyed in the wool Wilder fan would do I suppose...

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:30 What did he actually put together if he was sticking his tongue out and arms up the whole time?

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:26

If you're referring to the Wlad performance...one of the worst fights of all time. I certainly hope he never duplicates that effort.

I'm not. I don't refer to Wlad/Fury ever. Horrible. More landing in pro wrestling.

I'm referring Wilder vs Fury. I think Fury put it all together for that fight and will never get there again. He's not one for sustained dedication.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:29
I'm not. I don't refer to Wlad/Fury ever. Horrible. More landing in pro wrestling.

I'm referring Wilder vs Fury. I think Fury put it all together for that fight and will never get there again. He's not one for sustained dedication.

I see no reason why he couldn't duplicate the effort. He's looked good in his fights since, and Wilder certainly didn't look like he's become a master boxer against Ortiz. It's the same battle again. Fury's skill vs Wilder's punch. Can Fury stand up for 12 rounds?

Everyone knows Fury SHOULD win a decision if he don't get knocked out, but "if he don't get knocked out" is a BIG goddamn if against Deontay Wilder.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:32

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:30 What did he actually put together if he was sticking his tongue out and arms up the whole time?

Oh, he never does that in other fights? C'mon Margie. That's irrelevant. The dude could come in shredded and he'd clown the very same way.