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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 12:36

Bandog wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 07:25 Honestly it wouldn't surprise me to beat any of those listed. A highly skilled southpaw with good power at heavy like Ortiz gives anyone at heavy lots of trouble. Hopefully one of them steps up and wants to fight him.

Ya and hopefully he doesn't turn them down again

To be fair, it was his team that turned down AJ, and I think Ortiz regrets it now, but would have had a short camp to prepare. He would probably have the belts now if he took it. I don't know if anyone else he has turned down, but several have not wanted to fight him. Please don't say Whyte, as that theory has been debunked more than once.

I dunno man, it seems like you make excuses for him and then put the onus on everyone else to fight your PED gobbling Cuban star

I thought you said you were vehemently against PED users anyway

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 16:12 I dunno man, it seems like you make excuses for him and then put the onus on everyone else to fight your PED gobbling Cuban star

I thought you said you were vehemently against PED users anyway

Selectively.

Ya, I guess he can't be too down on Luis when Luis means so much to the career of his boi DLW

I doubt he has too many more lucrative bouts in him. If I were him I wouldn't fight again for less than 500K. Less than that, and I'd just enjoy my money from the Wilder fight, and live life to the fullest.

Up to him what he'll do.

Surely they can get him at least 1 more good paying fight. He still is a handy fighter despite his age and is a Haymon guy--so lots of HWs out there., plus the money is fairly big in the division today. He hasn't taken loads of punishment either. Just seems like it makes sense IMO for him to keep going for a bit more.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 16:17 Surely they can get him at least 1 more good paying fight. He still is a handy fighter despite his age and is a Haymon guy--so lots of HWs out there., plus the money is fairly big in the division today. He hasn't taken loads of punishment either. Just seems like it makes sense IMO for him to keep going for a bit more.

I was thinking about that before I posted, and I'm really not sure there is another big fight guy on the PBC Heavyweight roster besides Wilder.

Kownacki they'd probably rather save as a Wilder opponent to be you'd think, and even if not I can't imagine an Ortiz vs Kownacki fight is all that big would you? Maybe I'm wrong.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 16:15 Ya, I guess he can't be too down on Luis when Luis means so much to the career of his boi DLW

Still a great win by Wilder, but I believe Ortiz turned down the AJ fight becuase he was mid-cycle.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 16:22

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 16:15 Ya, I guess he can't be too down on Luis when Luis means so much to the career of his boi DLW

Still a great win by Wilder, but I believe Ortiz turned down the AJ fight becuase he was mid-cycle.

After seeing Ortiz climb in the ring after the Breazelle fight. I think he turned it down because he was so out of shape.
The guy looked like he was 280 pounds

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 18:57

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 16:22
Still a great win by Wilder, but I believe Ortiz turned down the AJ fight becuase he was mid-cycle.

After seeing Ortiz climb in the ring after the Breazelle fight. I think he turned it down because he was so out of shape.
The guy looked like he was 280 pounds

Agreed, plus he got more money here and let's face it, he had no reason to believe he couldn't be wilder twice a d then really cash in against Josh. Smart move, Josh handles Ruiz and he can still get that fight.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 20:18

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 18:57

After seeing Ortiz climb in the ring after the Breazelle fight. I think he turned it down because he was so out of shape.
The guy looked like he was 280 pounds

Agreed, plus he got more money here and let's face it, he had no reason to believe he couldn't be wilder twice a d then really cash in against Josh. Smart move, Josh handles Ruiz and he can still get that fight.

I kind of agree with this. But that is on the proviso he has actually been paid more

Finkel wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 20:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 20:18

Agreed, plus he got more money here and let's face it, he had no reason to believe he couldn't be wilder twice a d then really cash in against Josh. Smart move, Josh handles Ruiz and he can still get that fight.

I kind of agree with this. But that is on the proviso he has actually been paid more

from what I hear he was guaranteed 7

Luis Ortiz is an Al Haymon fighter. The WBC allows Deontay Wilder to persistently face Al Haymon fighters, with the American not obliged to fight Dillian Whyte until February 2021.

Therefore, Deontay Wilder will continue facing Al Haymon fighters for the foreseeable future (with the notable exception of potential Tyson Fury rematch).

This ensures that Luis Ortiz will almost certainly earn at least one final decent payday before he hangs up his gloves, either via another title shot (if he can gain a couple of wins) or when used as a big-name stepping-stone opponent for one of the up-and-coming heavyweight prospects within the PBC stable.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 22:34

Finkel wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 20:35

I kind of agree with this. But that is on the proviso he has actually been paid more

from what I hear he was guaranteed 7

The official NSAC figures is that the Cuban only received a $1.5m purse.

Apparently based on recent reports, the event did appallingly-bad commercially, in terms of revenue generated via gate receipts and also PPV buys.

So it’ll be categorically impossible for Luis Ortiz to receive a $7m payday from the Deontay Wilder rematch, because where’s all the money going to come from?

Comes from al haymons company.

RichieKnightmare wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 12:34

Finkel wrote: ↑27 Nov 2019, 09:27

Yeah he looked great, until he got poleaxed by one punch man.

Mohammed Ali would have got poleaxed by Wilder. His right would knock out a rhino.

Ali who took Shavers, Foreman's Frazier's, Mac Foster's, Lyle's and ehem, Liston's punches without getting knocked out?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 22:44

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 22:34 from what I hear he was guaranteed 7

The official NSAC figures is that the Cuban only received a $1.5m purse.

Apparently based on recent reports, the event did appallingly-bad commercially, in terms of revenue generated via gate receipts and also PPV buys.

So it’ll be categorically impossible for Luis Ortiz to receive a $7m payday from the Deontay Wilder rematch, because where’s all the money going to come from?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Nov 2019, 20:49 Fury would dominate him and exploit his plodding, I think he'd take some wins but also losses fighting the top guys outside Wilder. He is good but he's slow and plods lazily and is how old now? Chris Hammer lasted and gave him a gushing nose and he's been unimpressive in victory as much as he has impressive in winning. I wonder what would've happened if he hadn't turned down the AJ fight Ruiz took

Makes no sense to retire when he's still one of the better guys and I doubt he will. Hopefully we see him in good fights again rather than the utter sh!te that followed the first Wilder scrap

I feel like Ortiz is one of those guys that tends to fight to the level of his opponent somewhat aswell though.

If he's not particularly motivated by the opponent/The matchup on offer he tends to box like shit.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 22:44

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 22:34 from what I hear he was guaranteed 7

The official NSAC figures is that the Cuban only received a $1.5m purse.

Apparently based on recent reports, the event did appallingly-bad commercially, in terms of revenue generated via gate receipts and also PPV buys.

So it’ll be categorically impossible for Luis Ortiz to receive a $7m payday from the Deontay Wilder rematch, because where’s all the money going to come from?

Aww, you think those releases are 'facts'. That's adorable.

Yeah i dont get how he doesnt understand where money comes from. The event was an operating loss im sure of that too..... but when you have money from previous events, credit lines, investor capital, that money covers the loss

Plus with a big payday for the promoter/manager in literally the next fight its easy to justify losing money on this event

All big boxing events in America lose money mow. Dazn is dropping hundreds of millions, fox wanted to keep wilder and they're paying for it.

I wouldn't say all

Thurman v Pacquiao was a money maker. Spence v porter was too

Its hard to know how espn is doing without knowing what ad buys cost on the telecasts. Some of their ratings have been good but not a lot

Dazn is definitely losing money but with a streaming service you hope people sign up and then forget about the 20 charge every month. Who knows how many people kept the service after the canelo fights

Dazn is $100 for a year. Great value. They're just hoping to get a big sport to make money. That's why ESPN doesn't care. It's part of their budget. They have UFC, football, etc.. to turn profit.

keep fighting , he controlled that fight looked good he is top 5 heavy weights for me , look it happens to nearly every one apart from fury when fighting wilder

I think retirement would be a wise move if he can afford to. While he still has one-punch power and had some good moments against Wilder, there’s no need to push one’s luck. He’s about 40 years old now and has suffered two stoppage losses. Adonis Stevenson over stayed his welcome and it nearly took his life...