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Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:10
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 14:16
It's so convenient isn't it. Any round he loses, well he was just intelligently setting up his work for later! It's not like he was just getting outboxed. Too bad he spent a bit too much time utilizing his materful patience and fight reading vs FUry
Most of the time how he scored the KO is no different from what he was doing previously. It's just that if he throws enough times he finally lands a big one, because he has the speed to get it there eventually.
There seems to be this push after his last fight to depict him as some much improved boxer, even though he lost pretty much every round against a guy he already stopped and actually took longer to score a KD. That just baffles me. He is huge hitting, fast, has a great reach, etc....he is a raw talent beast, a freak in that regard, and that's enough for him to beat most or perhaps everyone else. I do not at all see this much improved or vastly underrated skills though. And when I see certain people talk about him as an inside killer too, I know they are just fanboi-ing for him as they usually do.
Redundent post that falsely claims anyone here said he is a killer on the inside.
Can't you just disagree and state your case or must you always be a little pudendum? Just asking.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:20
by margaret thatcher
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:10
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 14:16
It's so convenient isn't it. Any round he loses, well he was just intelligently setting up his work for later! It's not like he was just getting outboxed. Too bad he spent a bit too much time utilizing his materful patience and fight reading vs FUry
Most of the time how he scored the KO is no different from what he was doing previously. It's just that if he throws enough times he finally lands a big one, because he has the speed to get it there eventually.
There seems to be this push after his last fight to depict him as some much improved boxer, even though he lost pretty much every round against a guy he already stopped and actually took longer to score a KD. That just baffles me. He is huge hitting, fast, has a great reach, etc....he is a raw talent beast, a freak in that regard, and that's enough for him to beat most or perhaps everyone else. I do not at all see this much improved or vastly underrated skills though. And when I see certain people talk about him as an inside killer too, I know they are just fanboi-ing for him as they usually do.
Redundent post that falsely claims anyone here said he is a killer on the inside.
Can't you just disagree and state your case or must you always be a little pudendum? Just asking.
The man will beat dudes to DEATH on the inside though, right
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:24
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:20
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:10
Redundent post that falsely claims anyone here said he is a killer on the inside.
Can't you just disagree and state your case or must you always be a little pudendum? Just asking.
The man will beat dudes to DEATH on the inside though, right
If you are referring to my own comments, I said Wilder could "uppercut him to death" if Fury tries to smother him on the inside, yes. Not "a killer on the inside;" or "beat dudes to DEATH on the inside" as you say.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:25
by margaret thatcher
He'd uppercut the man to death, there you have a killer my friend
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:31
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:25
He'd uppercut the man to death, there you have a killer my friend
If that makes you happy and shuts you up, I'll agree.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:31
by margaret thatcher
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:35
by oogiebe
I agree 100%!
PS: For the first time in years, I've been invited to several casual fan friend's homes to watch the fight. I never even inquired any of them. Didn't even know they knew the fighters. I'm wondering if the PPV's are going to actually be north on 500k. 750k?
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:38
by tiny_acres
He boxed quite well in the first Stiverne fight.
I personally think he is too in love with his own power to use what skills he has.
Always looking for the big knock out shot instead of using a decent jab to set it up.
A bunch of people on here give him zero credit for his skills but rewatch the Stiverne fight objectively.
He's not that bad
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:41
by margaret thatcher
It is getting a lot more publicity than a lot of people thought, I have seen many people raise their estimate. Will be interesting to see how it does
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 15:45
by margaret thatcher
tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:38
He boxed quite well in the first Stiverne fight.
I personally think he is too in love with his own power to use what skills he has.
Always looking for the big knock out shot instead of using a decent jab to set it up.
A bunch of people on here give him zero credit for his skills but rewatch the Stiverne fight objectively.
He's not that bad
That was his most skillful showing by far, I don't think his skills have advanced at all from that though
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 16:26
by tiny_acres
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:45
tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:38
He boxed quite well in the first Stiverne fight.
I personally think he is too in love with his own power to use what skills he has.
Always looking for the big knock out shot instead of using a decent jab to set it up.
A bunch of people on here give him zero credit for his skills but rewatch the Stiverne fight objectively.
He's not that bad
That was his most skillful showing by far, I don't think his skills have advanced at all from that though
But it did show he can box. Definitely not the next Mayweather but he does have decent ability
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 16:36
by gilgamesh
Ricky wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 20:48
Is it simply fashionable to shït on his skillset outwith his punching power? Here's a clue, there's no power without form.
He could easily beat Fury on points on Saturday if he doesn't completely flatten him.
No he absolutely couldn't. If he beats Fury on points the one and only reason is because the decision was bought and paid for. Either that or he knocked him down a lot, and Fury assed off and blew rounds.
Fury is the more skilled of the two by a pretty big margin. Wilder is probably one of the most limited guys skillset wise near the top of the division, but his power makes up for it.
He was losing wide to Artur Szpilka for f*cks sake prior to stopping him.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 16:38
by margaret thatcher
tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 16:26
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:45
That was his most skillful showing by far, I don't think his skills have advanced at all from that though
But it did show he can box. Definitely not the next Mayweather but he does have decent ability
Not the next Mayweather? Hater!!
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 18:04
by Ricky
tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:38
He boxed quite well in the first Stiverne fight.
I personally think he is too in love with his own power to use what skills he has.
Always looking for the big knock out shot instead of using a decent jab to set it up.
A bunch of people on here give him zero credit for his skills but rewatch the Stiverne fight objectively.
He's not that bad
He boxed very well vs Stiverne, watching a guy box offensively from the outside like he did in taking apart Stiverne is far more impressive to me than Fury has ever done. The guy's a big oaf that just leans out of range and calls it masterclass. He sucks, Fury is for the faux-purists.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:00
by Enlightened-One
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:01
by Loftgroov
Ricky wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 20:48
Is it simply fashionable to shït on his skillset outwith his punching power? Here's a clue, there's no power without form. He could easily beat Fury on points on Saturday if he doesn't completely flatten him.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:03
by Blodhemn
Yeah, a dumb thread.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:06
by squiggy
Tonight the whole internet is refreshingly clear of soliloquys to Wilder the Great.
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:07
by danconnollyeire
Question. Why is ricky such a clown?
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:07
by danconnollyeire
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:08
by lazboy
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:09
by danconnollyeire
Ricky wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 18:04
tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 15:38
He boxed quite well in the first Stiverne fight.
I personally think he is too in love with his own power to use what skills he has.
Always looking for the big knock out shot instead of using a decent jab to set it up.
A bunch of people on here give him zero credit for his skills but rewatch the Stiverne fight objectively.
He's not that bad
He boxed very well vs Stiverne, watching a guy box offensively from the outside like he did in taking apart Stiverne is far more impressive to me than Fury has ever done. The guy's a big oaf that just leans out of range and calls it masterclass. He sucks, Fury is for the faux-purists.
So reading your post, what’s more impressive. Wilder outboxing a tomorrow can like stiverne or fury absolutely batter the great boxer as you put it in wilder?
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:18
by Ricky
Look at all the cockroaches coming out from under their rocks. I put my predictions out there, rest of you best stick to hindsight
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:20
by margaret thatcher
A lot of people were out there ahead of time tbf Rickster
Re: Why is Wilder's Boxing Ability so Underrated?
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 02:21
by Enlightened-One
Ricky wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 02:18
Look at all the cockroaches coming out from under their rocks. I put my predictions out there, rest of you best stick to hindsight
Bûllśhït!
You’ve criticised others for being less wrong than you were about Wilder.
How does your own medicine taste?
