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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 00:47

amwsnw wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 21:23 I say yes. There's nothing else out there. A rematch will generate interest and money again. No excuses but there were punches to the back of the head, his ear drum appeared to burst which creates havoc for all fighters never mind a guys who doesn't have great balance anyway. If there was a rematch clause go for it. I'd like to know what Wilder was referring to after the fight when he said he had things going on into the lead up for the fight - no excuses though.

You also forgot to mention that his ring walk outfit was too heavy

Well he did use more energy than Fury making his way to the ring

We'll know within the next four weeks whether Wilder will exercise the immediate rematch clause, because it expires within 28 days (as the original contractual stipulation had a 30-day deadline).

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 08:22 We'll know within the next four weeks whether Wilder will exercise the immediate rematch clause, because it expires within 28 days (as the original contractual stipulation had a 30-day deadline).

For sure he will take the rematch. What else he can do? Also nobody runs from 15 to 30 mil dollars...

Ha! If it happens Wilder will try to return the favor.

But, lets see what they do now.

Sagaroth wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 09:39

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 08:22 We'll know within the next four weeks whether Wilder will exercise the immediate rematch clause, because it expires within 28 days (as the original contractual stipulation had a 30-day deadline).

For sure he will take the rematch. What else he can do? Also nobody runs from 15 to 30 mil dollars...

The alternative is for Wilder to decline the rematch if his injuries prevent him from being able to accept it.

But I suspect you’re right, Wilder will probably take the rematch.

Shelly Finkel has stated that Wilder will almost certainly invoke the immediate rematch clause, which will likely be staged in June or July. The networks and both teams are currently operating under the assumpion that Deontay and Tyson are facing each other again in four or five months' time.

So any talk of a potential Fury-Joshua super-fight will have to go on the backburner until the second half of 2020.

I was recently inspired by an article which claimed that Wilder arguably hasn’t won a clear round in his previous four fights where he didn’t score a knockdown.

And after careful consideration, I realised that this was true.

By the time ‘The Bronze Bomber’ faces Tyson Fury again during June or July, he’ll be on the cusp of turning 35 years of age. So it’s possible that he may be slowing down, because that’s one of the first physical attributes that declines with age, with strength usually being the last.

In my mind, Fury has beaten Wilder on two occasions, using two completely different strategies. So I’m not sure if the American is capable of reinventing himself (like AJ did for the Ruiz Jr. rematch) and pose a new challenge to Fury.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ would only have a remote puncher’s chance of beating Tyson Fury. However, will the Brit be as good using another new trainer, because SugarHill Steward won’t be in his corner again?

Immediatly after there always tends to be 'we doing the rematch'. then another week or two goes by and it can change

That said, the rematch is still the biggest money there for Wilder and his handlers might be a little more nervous for him now when it comes to 'tune up' fights

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 10:45 I was recently inspired by an article which claimed that Wilder arguably hasn’t won a clear round in his previous four fights where he didn’t score a knockdown.

And after careful consideration, I realised that this was true.

By the time ‘The Bronze Bomber’ faces Tyson Fury again during June or July, he’ll be on the cusp of turning 35 years of age. So it’s possible that he may be slowing down, because that’s one of the first physical attributes that declines with age, with strength usually being the last.

In my mind, Fury has beaten Wilder on two occasions, using two completely different strategies. So I’m not sure if the American is capable of reinventing himself (like AJ did for the Ruiz Jr. rematch) and pose a new challenge to Fury.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ would only have a remote puncher’s chance of beating Tyson Fury. However, will the Brit be as good using another new trainer, because SugarHill Steward won’t be in his corner again?

Why won't Sugar Hill be there? They parted already??

..I tend to believe that financial considerations as well as super-ego of Wilder will prevail ...

Imagine if Wilder somehow wins---Fury vs Wilder 4! Then 5 and 6!!

greg wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 13:34 ..I tend to believe that financial considerations as well as super-ego of Wilder will prevail ...

The great problem for Wilder will be choosing of his next opponent if he decide to avoid the rematch immediately.

I can imagine some potential opponents (Chisora, Hunter, Kownacki, Kabayel, Rivas, Helenius, Huck....even Parker), but it will be pretty difficult to persuade any of them to face Wilder, because of the high risk.

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:04

greg wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 13:34 ..I tend to believe that financial considerations as well as super-ego of Wilder will prevail ...

The great problem for Wilder will be choosing of his next opponent if he decide to avoid the rematch immediately.

I can imagine some potential opponents (Chisora, Hunter, Kownacki, Kabayel, Rivas, Helenius, Huck....even Parker), but it will be pretty difficult to persuade any of them to face Wilder, because of the high risk.

The PBC guys will do what AL tells them, I'm sure the pay would be decent as well. Guys are probably more confident now vs Wilder and might sense an opportunity to beat him

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:05

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:04

The great problem for Wilder will be choosing of his next opponent if he decide to avoid the rematch immediately.

I can imagine some potential opponents (Chisora, Hunter, Kownacki, Kabayel, Rivas, Helenius, Huck....even Parker), but it will be pretty difficult to persuade any of them to face Wilder, because of the high risk.

The PBC guys will do what AL tells them, I'm sure the pay would be decent as well. Guys are probably more confident now vs Wilder and might sense an opportunity to beat him

Which PBC guys ?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:05

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:04

The great problem for Wilder will be choosing of his next opponent if he decide to avoid the rematch immediately.

I can imagine some potential opponents (Chisora, Hunter, Kownacki, Kabayel, Rivas, Helenius, Huck....even Parker), but it will be pretty difficult to persuade any of them to face Wilder, because of the high risk.

The PBC guys will do what AL tells them, I'm sure the pay would be decent as well. Guys are probably more confident now vs Wilder and might sense an opportunity to beat him

Chances are high he'll be twice as beatable next time out as he was this time. Big punchers often have a tendency of falling off in a big way after a loss. Guys that have that bully mentality. Not sure if Wilder is one of those guys or not, he definitely relied almost entirely on his power.

His confidence is a key to his success though, and it's kinda hard to maintain that level of confidence when you got your ass handed to you the way he did.

This would reveal itself in ways like, when the opportunity is there for him to let the right hand go. He might just keep it holstered worried about what's gonna come back at him whereas before he would've just let it fly.

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:05

The PBC guys will do what AL tells them, I'm sure the pay would be decent as well. Guys are probably more confident now vs Wilder and might sense an opportunity to beat him

Which PBC guys ?

Chuck Martin or Kownacki, Ruiz is PBC too

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:33

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:17

Which PBC guys ?

Chuck Martin or Kownacki, Ruiz is PBC too

Wilder vs Ruiz was supposed to be for undisputed HW championship

amwsnw wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 08:19

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 00:47



You also forgot to mention that his ring walk outfit was too heavy

Well he did use more energy than Fury making his way to the ring

And that idiotic rapper. Did no favours for Deontay Wilder - he'd been better off with a burst of Wagner or Louis singing When It's Sleepy Down South. Great costume though!

Seriously though, Wilder must take the rematch and must insist upon rigourous drug testing for the rematch. Fury looked like nothing was going to faze him, he didn't even flinch when a few of Wilders punches did connect.

He went in there with the correct strategy, planning on patience and calm this time to avoid gassing out. The correct strategy but only if Fury fought the same way (and let's be honest, nearly everyone thought he would).

Fury's shocking change of tactics (similar to Canelo's in the Golovkin rematch) demanded an immediate change of tactics which Wilder was unable to adapt.

Remember when McNeely rushed Tyson and duly received the correct response? If you don't, I can tell you it wasn't a boxing lesson.

This could yet be a good opportunity for Deontay Wilder to work on his main weakness ie footwork and mobility. I still believe he would be near unbeatable if he decided to dance around a bit more and use his reach and reflexes more effectively.

There was no way Fury should have been able to press him like that, bad night or not - a Sugar Ray Leonard that weaving oaf is not.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:33

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:17

Which PBC guys ?

Chuck Martin or Kownacki, Ruiz is PBC too

Martin - who would watch this fight ?
Kownacki - he might be the right choice.
Ruiz - I don't think he would accept this fight (at least in 2020).

ValMar wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:53

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 14:33

Chuck Martin or Kownacki, Ruiz is PBC too

Martin - who would watch this fight ?
Kownacki - he might be the right choice.
Ruiz - I don't think he would accept this fight (at least in 2020).

I mean who really wanted to watch Wilder vs Molina or Washington or Szpilka or Duhuapas or Stiverne 2 or Arreola?

They have been holding Kownacki for Wilder for a while now, though I imagine they had been planning on it being a title fight

I think he should not invoke the rematch and instead let Joshua and Fury fight and hope that Joshua comes out on top. Because it will likely be hard for him to reverse the outcome vs Fury after being dominated by him.

I think he has to doesn't he? He is 34 years old with a poor injury record. Where is he going to make serious money for his retirement fund if he doesn't exercise his option?

I do believe rightly or wrongly that both Joshua and Whyte would still be interested in fighting Deontay but obviously the intensity of that interest is very much reduced. Joshua especially has other fish to fry. The money he can expect even from the rematch will be much reduced too.

I feel sorry for Deontay. Loyalty is an admirable quality but he really has been stitched up by Haymon and Co. Dibella got fired for arranging a meet with John Skipper of Dzon who is on record as offering Deontay USD 120 million for three fights: 20m for Breazeale and 50m for each of two fights with Joshua.

I would have picked AJ to win but not with any great confidence. It'd be a shootout with Deontay's edge in power, speed, and athleticism versus AJ's technique and comparative versatility. He would have better chances against Joshua than he would have against Fury in a third fight, and even if AJ starched him he would have generational money in the bank by way of compensation.

I wonder how Al plans to reward Deontay for his devotion.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 15:42 I think he has to doesn't he? He is 34 years old with a poor injury record. Where is he going to make serious money for his retirement fund if he doesn't exercise his option?

I do believe rightly or wrongly that both Joshua and Whyte would still be interested in fighting Deontay but obviously the intensity of that interest is very much reduced. Joshua especially has other fish to fry. The money he can expect even from the rematch will be much reduced too.

I feel sorry for Deontay. Loyalty is an admirable quality but he really has been stitched up by Haymon and Co. Dibella got fired for arranging a meet with John Skipper of Dzon who is on record as offering Deontay USD 120 million for three fights: 20m for Breazeale and 50m for each of two fights with Joshua.

I would have picked AJ to win but not with any great confidence. It'd be a shootout with Deontay's edge in power, speed, and athleticism versus AJ's technique and comparative versatility. He would have better chances against Joshua than he would have against Fury in a third fight, and even if AJ starched him he would have generational money in the bank by way of compensation.

I wonder how Al plans to reward Deontay for his devotion.

Hell he should have enough to retire on now I'd think. Hasn't he made 5 Million plus multiple times? How much money do you really think somebody needs?

His decisions shouldn't be based on money anymore if he wants to keep doing this.

I’d like to see Wilder take a tune up fight next. Let’s see where he’s at. I hope he bounces back. The thing is, if he doesn’t take advantage of the rematch clause in his contract I think Fury never gives him another shot. It’s probably now or never for Wilder

No, he should take a tuneup fight or two. The sad part about this is Charlie Z is going to clown him, and there isn't a damn thing he can do about it.