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fizzjambo wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 16:09

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 16:30
I don't think many americans even know who Danny Williams is. So here it's massively underrated.

That’s not under rated though, it’s unknown. Anyone who has seen Williams vs Potter would remember it

Americans only know Williams from his win over the shell of Tyson.

Maurice Hope beating Vito Antuofermo , although stopped on cuts , going by reports Maurice was winning well anyway.
And to do it in Italy is some feat.

Antuofermo would go on to win the middleweight title

Heretic wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 04:22 The most overrated win in my opinion is Lennox vs McCall 2. The shape McCall was on that fight makes the result totally meaningless. Anyone would have beat him that night. It still gets mentioned a lot. Lennox avenged all losses and yada yada

Most underrated to me is Fury vs Wlad. Beating Wlad on hes own game in Germany was fornicating epic. People just don't seem to understand what happened that night and are making all sort of excuses for it. Great win for Fury.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone particularly overrated or praise Lewis for the McCall rematch? If anything, I’ve heard people criticise him for not putting it on McCall earlier when he first started crying (a very unusual phrase to use when discussing a fight ).

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑12 Mar 2020, 15:39

Heretic wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 04:22 The most overrated win in my opinion is Lennox vs McCall 2. The shape McCall was on that fight makes the result totally meaningless. Anyone would have beat him that night. It still gets mentioned a lot. Lennox avenged all losses and yada yada

Most underrated to me is Fury vs Wlad. Beating Wlad on hes own game in Germany was fornicating epic. People just don't seem to understand what happened that night and are making all sort of excuses for it. Great win for Fury.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone particularly overrated or praise Lewis for the McCall rematch? If anything, I’ve heard people criticise him for not putting it on McCall earlier when he first started crying (a very unusual phrase to use when discussing a fight ).

Absolutely no one I knew here or in my life have ever even mentioned that fight other than "greatest in-ring breakdowns."

Old bones Ian wrote: ↑12 Mar 2020, 14:53 Maurice Hope beating Vito Antuofermo , although stopped on cuts , going by reports Maurice was winning well anyway.
And to do it in Italy is some feat.

Antuofermo would go on to win the middleweight title

Great call

I thought TJ Doheny beating Iwasa last year was under-rated.
Iwasa was in good form. I didn’t think Doheny would of won that before hand.
Really good win in Japan.

Duke McKenzie had an under-rated career but his win over Gaby Canizales especially.
Canizales was a good fighter and Duke boxed him to a shut-out. Wasn’t Duke an underdog going into that one?

Stanley Ketchel- Career gets over-rated for me. Huge puncher but outboxed easily. He’s usually ranked in the top few Middleweights of all time. For me this is because he was Nat Fleischer’s favourite fighter. And Nat rated him highly and the Ring always rated him highly because of this.
His win over Philadelphia Jack O’Brien has gone down in folklore because he knocked him unconscious on his resin box in the last round. But he’d been completely outboxed before that.
I think there’s a lot of fighters who have died prematurely and have then subsequently been rated higher than they should of based on one highlight performance or sentiment.

Jack Johnson is another hugely overrated historical figure

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Mar 2020, 13:54 Jack Johnson is another hugely overrated historical figure

Got to say I’m a huge fan of Johnson.
I wouldn’t call him over-rated but there’s a lot of black fighters around that time who get nowhere near the recognition they deserved because it all went to Jack.
His win over Jeffries is over-rated. It was a huge fight and occasion and deserves the praise due to the importance socially. But from a pure boxing point of few Jeffries was pretty much done.

His record is circus show type of stuff, filled with guys off for 6 years , guys the size of today's welterweights (though tbf, despite being called a 'giant' he was about the size of today's lhw himself), etc. He gets rated as an elite HW atg but his era was just so different, and not in a way that I think reflects well on what he accomplished or how he'd do vs other greats

His hugging makes Wlad jealous too

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Mar 2020, 14:16 His record is circus show type of stuff, filled with guys off for 6 years , guys the size of today's welterweights (though tbf, despite being called a 'giant' he was about the size of today's lhw himself), etc. He gets rated as an elite HW atg but his era was just so different, and not in a way that I think reflects well on what he accomplished or how he'd do vs other greats

He’s so hard to rate accurately . He was pretty much a one-off. He’s almost like the bridge that links old-school and new-school.
I’m in a huge minority that rates his win over Tommy Burns. Burns was a small Heavyweight, but he was so successful. He never had a huge signature win but did a good job of dispatching good solid contenders.
Burns career gets smashed to smitherines but he racked up defenses and I rate longevity even if the quality of defenses isn’t up to the highest standard.
Wlad and Joe Louis also have a large amount of wins against not the best opposition.

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑13 Mar 2020, 13:06 I thought TJ Doheny beating Iwasa last year was under-rated.
Iwasa was in good form. I didn’t think Doheny would of won that before hand.
Really good win in Japan.

Duke McKenzie had an under-rated career but his win over Gaby Canizales especially.
Canizales was a good fighter and Duke boxed him to a shut-out. Wasn’t Duke an underdog going into that one?

Also McCullough beating a decent Yakushiji and becoming first British fighter to win in Japan. He won nearly every round that night IIRC, superb high-octane buzzsaw performance. He was actually moving his head offline a fair bit and threw a load of jabs.