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Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑08 May 2021, 16:06 Golovkin won the first quite clearly, I thought. The second one was close. I scored it to Golovkin, but I'll freely admit that I wanted Golovkin to win, so that would have played into my scoring. Could have gone either way, I guess.
A fight in the near future would be Canelo wide, and for me, only add to the injustice of Golovkin not getting the nod from the first fight.

That’s how I saw it. GGG clearly one the first. Second was close (I’ll have to rewatch) but I thought GGG nicked by a round.

What is clear is GBP waited until Canelo was approaching prime and GGG was mid-thirties.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Oct 2021, 04:28

GGG will likely face Murata in December and six months later Eubank Jr.

Canelo is facing Plant next. And I’m guessing that will be followed up with the Mexican fighting Bivol or Beterbiev.

If the Canelo-GGG bout does go ahead sometime during September of next year, Golovkin will be 40½ years of age when he enters the ring.

And how does DAZN sell that fight to mainstream casuals, especially considering Gennadiy’s age, inactivity, coupled with him losing both the Canelo rematch and also the Derevyanchenko bout?

I just think that the Canelo-Golovkin rematch has been marinated to the point it’s far past its expiry date. The Mexican will receive as much kudos from fight fans for beating the elderly version of Gennadiy that Vitor Belfort received when he stopped Evander Holyfield!

I think 3rd time out, Canelo stops him.

GGG has lost a step, and Canelo appears to be hitting harder than ever.

a trilogy would only have been feasible if the first fight had been two years or more earlier, IMO. timing wrong with GGG 40

nah, not interested at all

give me ggg-munguia and canelo-bert/bivol/benevidez

Yeh. It’s too late for the trilogy.

Only if the first bout happened in 2016, could have had 3 in a row or at least 2 in one year and spaces over 2 years..

The fact that people had GGG winning the second fight says something.. but after the 2nd fight, Canelo wanted to move on, GGG wanted lower risk bouts that paid well for his retirement.

Money for the fight isn’t there either I think. Even us hardcore fans don’t want to see it..

nope, not into that fight, we've seen it already and ggg will just get beaten worse this time

let's get canelo vs benavidez/bert/bivol/charlo

ggg vs mung

Not the worst fight today. But Charlo or the LHW title challenges are better.

Not interested in Canelo/GGG 3.

I want GGG vs Munguia.

"Who should undisputed champion Canelo Alvarez fight next? It's not Gennadiy Golovkin" (Source: Kevin Iole - Yahoo!)

Affirmed and Alydar finished 1-2 in each of the three Triple Crown races in 1978, with Affirmed winning the Kentucky Derby by a length-and-a-half, the Preakness by a neck and the Belmont by a head in three of the greatest horse races ever.

Canelo Alvarez and Gennadiy Golovkin were on their way to that kind of rivalry. They met in an epic battle in 2017 that was ruled a draw, though many believed Golovkin won. In the rematch in 2018, Alvarez improved dramatically and won a fair decision.

The third one between them hasn’t happened, and its pretty obvious where the blame belongs for that.

Since last they met, Golovkin has fought Steve Rolls, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Kamil Szeremta and on Dec. 28, will face Ryoto Murata. It’s not exactly a Murderers' Row.

Contrast that with Alvarez, who opened the post-GGG Era with a gimme victory over Rocky Fielding. After that, he’s faced Daniel Jacobs, Sergey Kovalev, Callum Smith, Avni Yildirim, Billy Joe Saunders and, on Saturday, Caleb Plant.

Alvarez walked down Plant throughout the fight and stopped him early in the 11th round Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas to become the first undisputed super middleweight champion in the division’s history.

He also became just the sixth undisputed champion in the four-belt era, following Bernard Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, Terence Crawford, Oleksandr Usyk and Josh Taylor. Alvarez became the first Latino to hold all four belts.

He’s dared to be great, he’s taken risky fights and he’s set himself apart from the rest. He’s clearly the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world now, and Golovkin is, honestly, nowhere in the conversation.

For some reason, he’s chosen to feast on creampuffs for the most part since last meeting Alvarez.

And that’s why he doesn’t deserve the next shot at Alvarez.

The fight with Plant was the brainchild of Alvarez trainer/manager Eddy Reynoso. And to get it done and become the undisputed champion, Alvarez had to fight three world champions, all of whom were undefeated at the time he met them.

After Alvarez racked up impressive wins over three men with a combined 78-0 record, there is no way Golovkin should be rewarded for fighting Moe, Larry & Curly in the interim.

The obvious choice is IBF-WBC light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev, assuming he is victorious in his Dec. 17 fight with Marcus Browne.

Beterbiev is 16-0 with 16 knockouts and has the rare kind of power that gets people excited. Alvarez is a vastly superior boxer, but Beterbiev is bigger and more powerful, so it makes it a compelling fight.

If that sounds familiar, it’s because it’s the script that played out in 2017 when Alvarez and Golovkin first met at middleweight. Now, Golovkin has nothing to offer except the memories of those two bouts. He’s done nothing since fighting Alvarez the last time to make anyone want to see him again.

Fighting total stiffs isn’t the way to go, but that’s what he has chosen.

Alvarez likely would be a heavy favorite over Beterbiev, but there would be the “yeah, but” from those in the media who have closely followed Beterbiev’s career. He’s a killer and doesn’t come to dance.

If Alvarez wins that, he’d then be able to chase WBA champion Dmitry Bivol and WBO champion Joe Smith in an attempt to unify again. Bivol is the better boxer of those two, Smith the bigger puncher, so line them up in whatever order.

It would be another bit of history and would serve to help Alvarez boost his all-time rating.

Alvarez secured his place in history Saturday — if that even needed to be done — with a workmanlike performance against Plant. Plant fought gamely, and effectively in spurts.

But like most, he was done in by Alvarez’s body work. Alvarez fiercely attacks the body and wears a fighter down before going up top for the kill.

He dug hooks to the rib cage of Plant all night, and after awhile, he could take no more. As he brought his hands down, Alvarez brought his punches up and it was shortly thereafter a wrap.

Two thunderous left hooks dropped Plant the first time. He got up wobbly, and Alvarez beat him back down, cracking him with a pair of right hands. Referee Russell Mora jumped in to halt the carnage.

Golovkin remains a popular fighter and a third bout with Alvarez would do business. At this stage, though, Alvarez is so dialed in he’ll do business with whomever he fights.

This pursuit of the super middleweight belts was fun. Let’s see it again, particularly given there are some attractive opponents at 175.

Golovkin has forfeited his right to a third fight with Alvarez by choosing such an easy path for himself.

An Alvarez-Beterbiev fight would get the juices flowing and would begin yet another improbable pursuit of history.

GGG is history. Let him go peacefully into the mists of time.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 13:52 GGG is history. Let him go peacefully into the mists of time.

Seriously. Nothing to be settled with a past it GGG.

He won't go anywhere near Bert, nor should he.

Thought Golovkin won the first, no problem with the 2nd. 'Triple G' too old now. Canelo wins the third.

bivol, smith, beterbiev or whoever holds the belts at lightheavy.

bivol & beterbiev if they don't fight each other i don't see getting dethroned in their next couple of fights although you never know.

so i'd make the smith fight asap for early next year.

rangy power puncher smith vs. the stocky boxing messiah canelo would be a real banger.

bivol got hit with one single punch by smith who otherwise couldn't lay a glove on the russian all night but had him on wobbly fight for a whole round after that one hit but couldn't follow up.

alvarez isn't untouchable and would have to overcome a huuuge reach disadvantage.

it's the fight i want to see if he doesn't go after the elusive technician bivol or the toughest challenge in relentless, heavy handed beterbiev right away.

forget charlo/benavidez. if nelo doesn't step up i'd rather see him try beat ggg. legit for once. (he still won't knock him out though. no way.)

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 05:57

It's certainly been a very lucrative 12 months for the PED poster boy.

4 carefully arranged and selected fights which saw him avoid his most dangerous opponents must be seen as a success.

It's just a pity that all that Mexican beef has now made the 5 foot seven Clenelo too big for middleweight.

Of course the PED poster boy is ready for the 40 year old GGG.

But not for random drug testing.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 Oct 2021, 04:51 I think 3rd time out, Canelo stops him.

GGG has lost a step, and Canelo appears to be hitting harder than ever.

GGG had lost a step going into the first fight. He has been on the slide for 5 years.
Canelo is peaking at 31.
It’s a mismatch that will have a sad and possibly medically damaging outcome on a once great champion.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 15:30

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 Oct 2021, 04:51 I think 3rd time out, Canelo stops him.

GGG has lost a step, and Canelo appears to be hitting harder than ever.

GGG had lost a step going into the first fight. He has been on the slide for 5 years.
Canelo is peaking at 31.
It’s a mismatch that will have a sad and possibly medically damaging outcome on a once great champion.

Yeah, I don't really want to see it.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 15:36

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Nov 2021, 15:30

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 Oct 2021, 04:51 I think 3rd time out, Canelo stops him.

GGG has lost a step, and Canelo appears to be hitting harder than ever.

GGG had lost a step going into the first fight. He has been on the slide for 5 years.
Canelo is peaking at 31.
It’s a mismatch that will have a sad and possibly medically damaging outcome on a once great champion.

Yeah, I don't really want to see it.

Or pay for it!
The tight bastards had the sh*ttiest undercard last night. For the amount they charge our American friends, it is disgusting.

Why is Coppinger pumping GGG fight, not much intrigue left there.

We need someone who can beat Canelo. Gotta be Beterbiev if he beats Marcus Browne. Ramirez for the all Mexican angle perhaps.

he's frikkin 'undisputed' at supermiddle now.

no way he bothers to not go straight for a titleholder if he steps really up to 175.

why would he ffs.

he neither has to 'acclimate' nor 'beef up' some more.

thanx to chewing down all the fabulously nutritious 'mexican beef' almighty canelo is square jawed and muscled out to the maxx, conditioned to the limit plus he fought already at 175.

those couple of pounds mean nothing to the monstrously muscular messiah of boxing.

king canelo simply has to shed a bitsy less water, just a little less 'making the weight' for the weigh in.

that's about it.

no big deal.

anybody got information about the actual in ring weights last night?

can't stand that shit! why y'all ignorin' meeeee!!!