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Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 16:48

Steel City wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 16:40
Yeah Exactly, But if you did your research or followed the amateur game knowing how many medals the Soviet union won in the amateurs, you would have known the second they were allowed to turn pro they were gonna make a strong impact.
Black UK heavyweights were seen as a joke too before Joshua, remember the Skelton/Sprott/Audley Harrison/ Danny Wlliams days

Ok, why are 18/25 of these top ranked HWs from North America or the UK? Why is Eastern Europe still so bad?

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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 17:23 I gotta say, considering every American is a baller these days and there are no more boxing gyms in the USA, it's quite impressive that there are somehow still vastly more Americans boxing than in any other country

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 17:23 I gotta say, considering every American is a baller these days and there are no more boxing gyms in the USA, it's quite impressive that there are somehow still vastly more Americans boxing than in any other country

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 16:49 Kids are dreamers, if money is their concern (and i doubt it is nearly as much as you seem to think in taking up a sport) they can still fantasize about Mayweather style,#1 in all sports paydays.,tell us what other sport 100m for 1 contest is happening

Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 17:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 17:23 I gotta say, considering every American is a baller these days and there are no more boxing gyms in the USA, it's quite impressive that there are somehow still vastly more Americans boxing than in any other country

Certainly not per capita. Much higher % of boxing fans in European countries.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 18:01

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 16:49 Kids are dreamers, if money is their concern (and i doubt it is nearly as much as you seem to think in taking up a sport) they can still fantasize about Mayweather style,#1 in all sports paydays.,tell us what other sport 100m for 1 contest is happening

I see some American flags. https://boxrec.com/en/ratings

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 21:16

Tony1244 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 18:01

I see some American flags. https://boxrec.com/en/ratings

Awesome, I'm glad you can see , no doubt there are American studs in pro boxing still

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 21:20 Ya b-ball is sucking them all up, there are no gyms in the US, etc....yet America still churns out like 7x th HWs of any other country, pretty impressive

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Mar 2020, 11:16 The thread was created by a poster quoting the thoughts of Larry Merchant, who is an elderly man that is on the cusp of turning ninety years of age. The former commentator is simply a product of his generation.

I think he’s simply unintentionally politically incorrect rather than being racist or bigoted.

I agree with your sentiments though, but I do think that old people should be allowed to get away with saying things that most of us can’t.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 21:20 Ya b-ball is sucking them all up, there are no gyms in the US, etc....yet America still churns out like 7x th HWs of any other country, pretty impressive

Steel City wrote: ↑01 Apr 2020, 18:44

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 21:20 Ya b-ball is sucking them all up, there are no gyms in the US, etc....yet America still churns out like 7x th HWs of any other country, pretty impressive

Hahaha these people that make these stupid excuses talk as if there's no American heavyweights lol. I think they either don't know that American has hundreds of current heavyweights - far more than any other country, or they deliberately ignore that fact

The way they make excuses and say America isn't interested in boxing.. Some of them probably think USA only has 10 current heavyweights, and the UK/Russia/Ukraine have hundreds each haha. When it's the other way around. USA has an extremely large number of heavyweights, they just all aren't good enough.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 10:57

Steel City wrote: ↑20 Mar 2020, 19:02

Whyte and Dubois are not champs Fury is the clear number 1

90% of the best Heavyweight prospects coming up are from Eastern Euro or ex Soviet Union countries >>> Usyk and Gassiev have just moved up. & Hrgovic, Dychko, Jalolov, Makhmudov, Majidov, Sirenko, Vykhurst, Zakhoyzhni etc

Anyway. I think what Larry Merchant meant was the last Great Black Hope from America.

Who is there? Charles Martin, Gerald Washington, Dominic Breazeale etc & prospects like Jermaine Franklin, Cassius Chaney, Darmani Rock, etc. They all don't seem good enough. I think it's gonna be a very long time till the next Black American heavyweight champ.

Gassiev has just moved up? From what? Losing a unanimous decision and being idle?

What ever happened to the great Tom Schwarz? Glaskov was a great prospect until he lost to his knee.

You have a lot of Assuming going on up there. ^

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 17:06

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 16:49 Jared Anderson and Roney Hines in the longer term look decent young prospects who have mobility and can box. I might have added Marlo Moore but I don't know what's happened to him. Anyone know anything about Amron Sands?
I have doubts about the potential of Darmani Rock.

There are a few others looked promising but seem to have run out of ambition. Stephan Shaw, Nicholas Mazurek, Cassius Chaney, Marcus Carter to name just a few. I don't know a lot about these guys which I think is symptomatic of the problem.

Former good amateurs from what used to be the Soviet Union are by and large tough and experienced. They are almost exclusively the wrong side of thirty though, whereas kids like Anderson have years in which to develop.

From where I'm sat the situation doesn't seem as dire as it's painted, but then I'm just a limey - WTF would I know about US prospects compared to you guys? C'mon Oogie, Tony and Co. I need ejjercating !

Tbh , Anderson seems like the only good American prospect atm. Rock is actually pretty talented, more so than often given credit for, but a total slob. I remember him looking great in the first round of an amateur fight, yet already being totally gassed and becoming totally sloppy by like 30 seconds into round 2. Doesn't seem to be one of those guys who can take the fat, unlike the Kownacki and Arreola types who can still fight hard anyway.

The top young American HW in the ams over the last few years has Richard Torrez, who beat Anderson a few times and won a few international tournaments, but he's also that guy who got absolutely wrecked by Jalolov.

EvanderHolyCrap wrote: ↑04 Apr 2020, 17:15

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 17:06

Tbh , Anderson seems like the only good American prospect atm. Rock is actually pretty talented, more so than often given credit for, but a total slob. I remember him looking great in the first round of an amateur fight, yet already being totally gassed and becoming totally sloppy by like 30 seconds into round 2. Doesn't seem to be one of those guys who can take the fat, unlike the Kownacki and Arreola types who can still fight hard anyway.

The top young American HW in the ams over the last few years has Richard Torrez, who beat Anderson a few times and won a few international tournaments, but he's also that guy who got absolutely wrecked by Jalolov.

It's all Jared Anderson right now. He's a solid prospect with skills, size and power. The rest of the American scene is very limited.

Steel City wrote: ↑01 Apr 2020, 18:44

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 21:20 Ya b-ball is sucking them all up, there are no gyms in the US, etc....yet America still churns out like 7x th HWs of any other country, pretty impressive

Hahaha these people that make these stupid excuses talk as if there's no American heavyweights lol. I think they either don't know that American has hundreds of current heavyweights - far more than any other country, or they deliberately ignore that fact

The way they make excuses and say America isn't interested in boxing.. Some of them probably think USA only has 10 current heavyweights, and the UK/Russia/Ukraine have hundreds each haha. When it's the other way around. USA has an extremely large number of heavyweights, they just all aren't good enough.