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Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 17:46
by oogiebe
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:43
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:39
Sorry son, this was bad play even for you. You know it. The previous poster was talking length of reign and not days as champ. Two very different things. Then you took his post out of context to suit your own needs. Very poor play.
I'll ask you for a second time, can you read?
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Wladimir_Klitschko
You can ask me all you want. You cannot convince me otherwise at this point. I grow weary of your shenanigans. You make some good posts, but when you go into 'prove me wrong' mode or get caught making a mistake, you go off the rails. Work on that like a good lad.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 17:48
by ewenhay
Just about every thread going bonkers just now
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 17:49
by Enlightened-One
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:46
You can ask me all you want. You cannot convince me otherwise at this point. I grow weary of your shenanigans. You make some good posts, but when you go into 'prove me wrong' mode or get caught making a mistake, you go off the rails. Work on that like a good lad.
So you're basically illiterate, is that what you're admitting to being?
I've lead the horse to water, but you flatly refuse to drink it, even though the water is right in front of your god damn face!
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 17:50
by oogiebe
ewenhay wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:48
Just about every thread going bonkers just now
Maddening.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 17:50
by oogiebe
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:49
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:46
You can ask me all you want. You cannot convince me otherwise at this point. I grow weary of your shenanigans. You make some good posts, but when you go into 'prove me wrong' mode or get caught making a mistake, you go off the rails. Work on that like a good lad.
So you're basically illiterate, is that what you're admitting to being?
I've lead the horse to water, but you flatly refuse to drink it, even though the water is right in front of your face!
Not a helpful post EO.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 17:51
by Enlightened-One
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:50
ewenhay wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:48
Just about every thread going bonkers just now
Maddening.
Yeah, facts are truly maddening, especially when they don't adhere to your preferred fictional version of reality.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 17:54
by oogiebe
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:51
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:50
Maddening.
Yeah, facts are truly maddening, especially when they don't adhere to your preferred fictional version of reality.
Stop 'badgering.' Isn't that what you called it earlier in this thread about the other poster? This is just more of the same from you. You just can't help yourself. I can picture you having some anxiety and rage right now. Does this happen often? I bet it does. You were wrong in your debate with the other poster and now you're attacking me because I took his side. Thanks for the laughs! lmfao! (@YOU!)
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 18:11
by Enlightened-One
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:54
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 17:51
Yeah, facts are truly maddening, especially when they don't adhere to your preferred fictional version of reality.
Stop 'badgering.' Isn't that what you called it earlier in this thread about the other poster? This is just more of the same from you. You just can't help yourself. I can picture you having some anxiety and rage right now. Does this happen often? I bet it does. You were wrong in your debate with the other poster and now you're attacking me because I took his side. Thanks for the laughs! lmfao! (@YOU!)
Wladimir Klitschko 4,382 days > Joe Louis 4,270 days
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Wladimir_Klitschko
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 18:13
by oogiebe
Onamastus wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 12:19
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 12:00
At last, we agree on something! That is precisely what I have kept saying over-and-over again!
If you’d read my words, the same ones I kept repeating, you would have realised this.
No, you didn't.
You kept insisting Wladimir had had a longer reign than Joe Louis, while repeatedly using the term "real world", when in the real world Joe Louis actually did have a 12 year reign as champion, and in the real world Wladimir never managed such a long unbroken run (but did manage a 9 year one).
Joe Louis is still the longest reigning champion. You still don't understand this.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 18:25
by Enlightened-One
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 18:13
Onamastus wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 12:19
No, you didn't.
You kept insisting Wladimir had had a longer reign than Joe Louis, while repeatedly using the term "real world", when in the real world Joe Louis actually did have a 12 year reign as champion, and in the real world Wladimir never managed such a long unbroken run (but did manage a 9 year one).
Joe Louis is still the longest reigning champion. You still don't understand this.
Wladimir Klitschko 4,382 days > Joe Louis 4,270 days
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Wladimir_Klitschko
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 18:55
by margaret thatcher
On BS or 13 I bet this thread would be split dead even
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 19:13
by KiwiRider
If you look at Wilders top 5 best wins, they have been more entertaining than Vitali, and that is about all I can say being positive about him.
But he doesn't have a better resume than either Klitchco.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 19:17
by Jeff_lacy_ko
You think klitschko could beat dom brezeale, gerald washington, or spilzka? Thats murderers row
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 19:20
by Enlightened-One
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 19:17
You think klitschko could beat dom brezeale, gerald washington, or spilzka? Thats murderers row
That's funny!
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 06:26
by candyslim
So is the thread title if truth be told.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 07:32
by Onamastus
I had a feeling you’d resort to willful misunderstanding.
You said “He is the longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all-time.” I said that Joe Louis is the longest reigning heavyweight champion of all time, not Wladimir.
You insisted that Wladimir is the longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all-time, claimed the record books would show that (wrong), said that Lennox Lewis was never the undisputed heavyweight champion (wrong), and wrote unintentionally hilarious sentences like “This fact is technically correct.”
I tried to explain to you the meaning of the word reign, so that you would understand that Joe Louis, not Wladimir, is the longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all-time.
You said that “even Boxrec states that Wladimir holds the longest combined reign in history,” showing that you don’t understand the difference between the two concepts, and questioned my reading comprehension, even though had you read and comprehended the Boxrec profile of Wladimir you quoted, you would see the very next line stated that Joe Louis is the longest reigning heavyweight champion of all time.
You continued to display your inability to get your head around this fact, by listing the days accrued in Wladimir’s non-consecutive reigns. I again tried to explain to you the difference, saying Wladimir has more days as champion (if you want to recognize the WBO) but that Joe Louis is still longest-reigning.
You then claimed that that was what you were arguing all along (!!!), denying that you argued repeatedly that Joe Louis wasn’t the longest reigning champion. You again recycled your favourite Wladimir 4382 (non-consecutive) days > Joe consecutive 4270 days.
I tried to explain that your reasoning would mean that Lennox had a longer “reign” than Larry Holmes, ignoring the knockout losses and long spells spent as an ex-champ. You claimed I was using intellectually dishonest debate tactics, rather than trying to illustrate a point to you.
I made a last ditch attempt at explaining to you that Joe was champ 4270 days in a row, Wladimir was never champion that many days in a row. I then checked the Boxrec profile you cited, where it stated Wladimir, embarrassingly for you, “is the second longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all time… (he) is second only to the reign of Joe Louis, who was champion for 11 years, eight months and eight days.”
Ultimately, your refusal to concede that you were wrong, and that Louis is the longest reigning champion, appears to stem from your (telling) need to present yourself as a learned scholar, even though you can’t grasp simple concepts, don’t know boxing history and make clunky, childish attempts at writing in an erudite voice. Here’s a fact we can all agree on. Anyone on an internet forum who unironically has a word in their handle such as Enlightened, Brainy, Smart, Sage (etc), is always, always, always, a dimwit masquerading (badly) as an intellectual.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 08:57
by Enlightened-One
Wladimir Klitschko 4,382 days > Joe Louis 4,270 days
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Wladimir_Klitschko
Klitschko holds the longest combined world heavyweight championship reign in history. He was the champion for 4,382 days (12 years).
Here's a post I submitted on the 23rd March (at 14:52), which was several days prior to the creation of this thread (hence the reason for the consistent nature of my opinion):
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=238193&p=5339738&h ... s#p5339738
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Mar 2020, 10:52Wladimir Klitschko:
14/10/2000 until 08/03/2003 = 875 days (WBO title)
22/04/2006 until 28/11/2015 = 3,507 days (IBF title)
Combined total = 4,382 days
Joe Louis:
22/06/1937 until 01/03/1949 = 4,270 days
Retired as champion, but made an unsuccessful comeback against Ezzard Charles on the 27th September 1950.
So I clearly haven't moved the goalposts, hence the reason why I kept reposting the same info. over-and-over again.
I’ll meet you halfway, by reiterating the same explanation Ruthless-RKO has already given
you personally:
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 06:54
Onamastus wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 06:48
Joe Louis is the longest reigning heavyweight champion, not Wladimir Klitschko.
Combined it's Wlad. Individual it's Louis.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 09:08
by ewenhay
Yeah but we all know you're playing with combined and single reigns to be intentionally annoying.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 09:11
by Enlightened-One
ewenhay wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 09:08
Yeah but we all know you're playing with combined and single reigns to be intentionally annoying.
I keep posting the same info. time-and-time again. Same quotes, same dates, same number of days and same hyperlinks.
No wordplay.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 09:16
by ewenhay
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 09:11
ewenhay wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 09:08
Yeah but we all know you're playing with combined and single reigns to be intentionally annoying.
I keep posting the same info. time-and-time again. Same quotes, same dates, same number of days and same hyperlinks.
No wordplay.
OK.
Fill your boots. Obviously makes you happy
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 29 Mar 2020, 00:48
by Onetimeonly
Wlad clearly greater, Joe Louis is a different stratosphere.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 29 Mar 2020, 02:56
by Paci
Lets see what happens with Wilder after the 3rd Fury-fight. He needs a deus ex machina to get his trinket back. Wlad fought everybody and yeah, only one to outbox him are Fury with AJ holding is own aginst him. A fight between this two wouldn't be unrealistic. Who would win? Wilder, cause he is locco.
Adding that Wlad has heart, courage and do love a challenge for making his legacy even better. If he returns it would be awesome. Sort of. He is old as f*ck but a freak of nature, just like the other top guys who are around.
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 29 Mar 2020, 03:01
by margaret thatcher
A fight between them would be a nervous, who is more tentative than who fest with hardly any punches thrown until one hurt the other
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 29 Mar 2020, 03:14
by Paci
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Mar 2020, 03:01
A fight between them would be a nervous, who is more tentative than who fest with hardly any punches thrown until one hurt the other
Something like that!
Re: Wilder's legacy compared to Wlad's
Posted: 29 Mar 2020, 09:29
by Onamastus
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2020, 08:57
Wladimir Klitschko 4,382 days > Joe Louis 4,270 days
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Wladimir_Klitschko
Klitschko holds the longest combined world heavyweight championship reign in history. He was the champion for 4,382 days (12 years).
Here's a post I submitted on the 23rd March (at 14:52), which was several days prior to the creation of this thread (hence the reason for the consistent nature of my opinion):
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=238193&p=5339738&h ... s#p5339738
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Mar 2020, 10:52Wladimir Klitschko:
14/10/2000 until 08/03/2003 = 875 days (WBO title)
22/04/2006 until 28/11/2015 = 3,507 days (IBF title)
Combined total = 4,382 days
Joe Louis:
22/06/1937 until 01/03/1949 = 4,270 days
Retired as champion, but made an unsuccessful comeback against Ezzard Charles on the 27th September 1950.
So I clearly haven't moved the goalposts, hence the reason why I kept reposting the same info. over-and-over again.
I’ll meet you halfway, by reiterating the same explanation Ruthless-RKO has already given
you personally:
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 06:54
Combined it's Wlad. Individual it's Louis.
You're making a fool of yourself.
Joe Louis 4270 days > Wladimir 875 days
Joe Louis 4270 days > Wladimir 3507 days
That's how it works. The editor who wrote the Wladimir Boxrec wiki understood that. You don't.
So unless Wladimir makes a comeback, wins the title and retains it for over 12 years, Joe Louis will remain the longest reigning heavyweight champion of all-time - the thing everyone saw you try to deny because you didn't understand what you were talking about.