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Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:15
by gilgamesh
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:14 Funny enough Wilder averaged about the same punches per round in the rematch that Wlad did vs Fury
I already explained that one above. He fought harder in the first 2 rounds than he did after the 3rd when he was noticeably hurt, and unsteady.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:16
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:07
oogiebe wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:03
So you're saying all of Fury's opponents have drastically less punch output from their other fights.
I'm not sure that literally every opponent, I haven't seen that, but ya it's a common thing that his opponents output depletes. Just like Del goes from plodding around aimlessly hardly punching other than a moment here and there, to a total tear up with Whyte. Since Fury begin his herky jerky style, it makes his opponents far more negative themselves and it plays to his advantage.

Otherwise, like I say, if it's not Furys boxing he must have some sort of hexx over his opponents
Of course i'ts Fury's style and skills. I haven't seen many of his fights, thus the question. There have been a lot of fighters who opponents just never looked good against. Jimmy Young comes to mind.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:16
by margaret thatcher
Ya, Wilder really came out gunning with like 18-19 punches in the first round :lol:

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:18
by margaret thatcher
Wilder actually threw fewer in that opener than Wlad averaged vs Fruy, but omg the ear right :oo

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:18
by gilgamesh
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:16 Ya, Wilder really came out gunning with like 18-19 punches in the first round :lol:
Hard punches that were thrown with the force of a man who looked like he was trying to win a fight.

Wladimir never threw such a punch against Fury.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:19
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:15
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:14 Funny enough Wilder averaged about the same punches per round in the rematch that Wlad did vs Fury
I already explained that one above. He fought harder in the first 2 rounds than he did after the 3rd when he was noticeably hurt, and unsteady.
Wilder threw over 30 punches per round over the first three.
https://boxstat.co/bout/2919977/deontay ... tyson-fury

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:20
by margaret thatcher
gilgamesh wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:18
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:16 Ya, Wilder really came out gunning with like 18-19 punches in the first round :lol:
Hard punches that were thrown with the force of a man who looked like he was trying to win a fight.

Wladimir never threw such a punch.
Even the vast bulk of those was tentative jabs, lol that you'd talk up his 'early' workrate, watch again, it was poo too , geetting near Wlad level poo . Chis had some Wlad level poo too vs Fury for the most part

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:21
by margaret thatcher
lol not even sure where to begin reading that, or what box stat is, the fight is out there, his work rate is utter poo other than the 2nd at a push, compubox got it about right for throws. Chis's was poo too. Wlad's was poo too, even worse than usual. Of course it's Fury

close the space

https://photo.boxing scene.com/uploads/wilder-fury-compubox-punch-stats_1.jpg

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:24
by gilgamesh
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:20
gilgamesh wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:18

Hard punches that were thrown with the force of a man who looked like he was trying to win a fight.

Wladimir never threw such a punch.
Even the vast bulk of those was tentative jabs, lol that you'd talk up his 'early' workrate, watch again, it was poo too , geetting near Wlad level poo . Chis had some Wlad level poo too vs Fury for the most part
Hey I get it, you're easily impressed.

Here's another kid that could put up a great effort against Fury apparently.


Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:25
by margaret thatcher
I'm sure he's the unbeaten HW champ of the world too :TU:

Never said I was really all that impressed by the way, just that more you seem like a real simpleton on the matter. Otherwise Fury is in possession of some sort of great power that lets him de-motivate and deflate opponents without it having anything to do with his boxing, that is some powerful sh!t :oo

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:28
by gilgamesh
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:25 I'm sure he's the unbeaten HW champ of the world too :TU:

Never said I was really all that impressed by the way, just that more you seem like a real simpleton on the matter. Otherwise Fury is in possession of some sort of great power that lets him de-motivate and deflate opponents without it having anything to do with his boxing, that is some powerful sh!t :oo
I'm definitely not a simpleton on the matter. I give Fury credit plenty if he actually does something worth giving him credit for. He boxed fantastically against Tom Schwarz for instance.

He did an adequate job against Wilder, but played around too much, and didn't win a fight that he could have if he'd actually come to fight.

Thankfully he hasn't fought like that since the 1st Wilder fight.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:28
by margaret thatcher
Tommy Schwarz :lol: :lol:

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:32
by gilgamesh
Schwarz gave a better effort than Wladimir did too.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:33
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:16
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:07

I'm not sure that literally every opponent, I haven't seen that, but ya it's a common thing that his opponents output depletes. Just like Del goes from plodding around aimlessly hardly punching other than a moment here and there, to a total tear up with Whyte. Since Fury begin his herky jerky style, it makes his opponents far more negative themselves and it plays to his advantage.

Otherwise, like I say, if it's not Furys boxing he must have some sort of hexx over his opponents
Of course i'ts Fury's style and skills. I haven't seen many of his fights, thus the question. There have been a lot of fighters who opponents just never looked good against. Jimmy Young comes to mind.
Cooney looked good against Young, but Jimmy was a bit past it.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:33
by margaret thatcher
gilgamesh wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:32 Schwarz gave a better effort than Wladimir did too.
Tommy's another guy who barely let his hands go :TU:

You really seem to underestimate just how poo the output of many Fury opponents was. Tom was barely doing a thing.

All hail otter!

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:34
by gilgamesh
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:33
gilgamesh wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:32 Schwarz gave a better effort than Wladimir did too.
Tommy's another guy who barely let his hands go :TU:
No sh*t, because he got knocked out in 2 rounds.

But he spent 2 rounds trying at least.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:35
by margaret thatcher
gilgamesh wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:34
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:33

Tommy's another guy who barely let his hands go :TU:
No sh*t, because he got knocked out in 2 rounds.

But he spent 2 rounds trying at least.
Nonsense, he's just another guy who was hardly throwing. They had punch stats on the broadcast and he threw like 25 shots accroess the 2 rounds, that looked about right

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:37
by margaret thatcher
Wlad poo output, Wilder poo, Chis poo, Tommy S poo

Otter, all hail (ignore rounds 4-11) :yay:

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:39
by gilgamesh
You'd love James "The Gentleman Masher" Corcoran :lol:


You're impressed by nothing. It takes something to impress me. Sorry if that offends.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:45
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:39 You'd love James "The Gentleman Masher" Corcoran :lol:


You're impressed by nothing. It takes something to impress me. Sorry if that offends.
Wlad was especially 'over-cautious' to be nice.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:46
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:33
oogiebe wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:16
Of course i'ts Fury's style and skills. I haven't seen many of his fights, thus the question. There have been a lot of fighters who opponents just never looked good against. Jimmy Young comes to mind.
Cooney looked good against Young, but Jimmy was a bit past it.
Just a bit. I know you got my point Mister. :OhYes:

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:46
by margaret thatcher
Lol , wasn't saying I'm impressed, just that there's more to it than Fury's opponents waking up deciding to lose

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:48
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:46
Tony1244 wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:33

Cooney looked good against Young, but Jimmy was a bit past it.
Just a bit. I know you got my point Mister. :OhYes:
Actually looking at his record he was far from completely shot. But he wasn't at his 76-77 peak either.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/276

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:52
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:48
oogiebe wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:46
Just a bit. I know you got my point Mister. :OhYes:
Actually looking at his record he was far from completely shot. But he wasn't at his 76-77 peak either.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/276
He was almost half way down the bad side of the mountain.

Re: Ugly styles/techniques

Posted: 01 May 2020, 19:56
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:52
Tony1244 wrote: 01 May 2020, 19:48

Actually looking at his record he was far from completely shot. But he wasn't at his 76-77 peak either.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/276
He was almost half way down the bad side of the mountain.
For the "What Have You Done No One Else Here Has Done" thread I was @ the Young-Simms in West Palm. :OhYes: