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Sa Wang Kim v Eusebio Pedroza
Cleo Garcia v Jorge Lujan
Al McCoy v Joe Louis

and I would also mention Abe Simon did not deserve his rematch with Joe Louis after getting his head handed to him by Lem Franklin

Joves De La Puz. Fought for the IBF bantamweight title in his first recorded fight. (Lost a SD)

Derrick Holmes.

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 11:05 Derrick Holmes.

That was the opener of a short lived Friday night fight reboot. Not a ton of American fighters at that weight and I think he beat Gomez as an amateur.

On Wilfredo ledger he defended against Julio Hernandez who was 6-9.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 15:16

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 11:05 Derrick Holmes.

That was the opener of a short lived Friday night fight reboot. Not a ton of American fighters at that weight and I think he beat Gomez as an amateur.

On Wilfredo ledger he defended against Julio Hernandez who was 6-9.

I agree. Hernandez had no business in the ring with Gomez or any title fight. I will also add in two challengers of Koichi Wajima. Domenico Tiberia and Matt Donovan. Tiberia lost 4 of his last 5 going into that fight and Donovan lost 3 out of his last 4. And both challengers had been stopped in their previous fight to the title.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 15:16

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 11:05 Derrick Holmes.

That was the opener of a short lived Friday night fight reboot. Not a ton of American fighters at that weight and I think he beat Gomez as an amateur.

On Wilfredo ledger he defended against Julio Hernandez who was 6-9.

For that screwup, Wilfredo shouldn't have had to do a mandatory for a year. Derrick probably still has nightmares about that whipping that night smh.

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 18:55

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 15:16

That was the opener of a short lived Friday night fight reboot. Not a ton of American fighters at that weight and I think he beat Gomez as an amateur.

On Wilfredo ledger he defended against Julio Hernandez who was 6-9.

For that screwup, Wilfredo shouldn't have had to do a mandatory for a year. Derrick probably still has nightmares about that whipping that night smh.

Derrick landed plenty of leather. He just couldn't handle the incoming. Entertaining fight.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 18:56

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 18:55

For that screwup, Wilfredo shouldn't have had to do a mandatory for a year. Derrick probably still has nightmares about that whipping that night smh.

Derrick landed plenty of leather. He just couldn't handle the incoming. Entertaining fight.

You think Derrick could have handled Palma, Randolph, or any of the WBA crew of champs at that time?

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 19:01

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 May 2020, 18:56

Derrick landed plenty of leather. He just couldn't handle the incoming. Entertaining fight.

You think Derrick could have handled Palma, Randolph, or any of the WBA crew of champs at that time?

Maybe Randolph, he definitely would handle Julio Hernandez.

Emmanuel OttI., 23-9,had been KO’d in his previous two fights, including by a 1-0 Jeff Harding. Gets an IBF title shot which, surprisingly, he loses by KO4

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/40875

Palacios vs Palomino
Mohatar vs Palomino
Roman vs Foreman
Ferguson vs Bowe
Rademacher vs Patterson
Daniels vs Frazier
Finnegan vs Jeffries

I'm surprised noboy's mentioned Tim Tomashek!

Flump wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 07:37 Probably 75% of all challengers, and a fair few champions in WBO title fights in the 90's.

Step forward Daniel Eduardo Neto who fought Francesco Damiani for teh WBO heavyweight crown in 1989.

In recent years, Ishida vs Golovkin was an awful mismatch.

Quarry should've fought Foreman instead of Roman.

Nile4000 wrote: ↑22 May 2020, 12:10 Quarry should've fought Foreman instead of Roman.

True, but Foreman's team wanted nothing to do with Quarry.

giacomino wrote: ↑21 May 2020, 22:26 Emmanuel OttI., 23-9,had been KO’d in his previous two fights, including by a 1-0 Jeff Harding. Gets an IBF title shot which, surprisingly, he loses by KO4

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/40875

More likely 16-7. Highly dubious that any of those fights claimed to be held in Greece (and Zagreb seems like an obvious outright lie) actually happened. They bear all the marks of fictitious record-padding.

The Great John L wrote: ↑22 May 2020, 12:17

Nile4000 wrote: ↑22 May 2020, 12:10 Quarry should've fought Foreman instead of Roman.

True, but Foreman's team wanted nothing to do with Quarry.

That speaks volumes too. Probably didn't want Bonavena and Shavers either.

Nile4000 wrote: ↑22 May 2020, 12:29 That speaks volumes too. Probably didn't want Bonavena and Shavers either.

Possibly, but Quarry was known as a great counter puncher which I'm sure was intimidating for his team because they were familiar with Big George's shortcomings. Bonavena was incredibly awkward, so he was a difficult out for anybody and wouldn't have been a big payday either. Shavers would have been a fun matchup, but despite an impressive record, he wasn't really on peoples radar until he landed the uppercut on Ellis.

Zsolt Erdei fought some absolute shockers. Danny Santiago and George Blades. And the Australian guy, Paul Murdoch, could barely stand up straight.

Also Bobby Gunn, plus the Algerian fella Azzaoui for Enzo Maccarinelli on the Calzaghe-Kessler undercard.

Jeung Jae Lee (0-1) fought against Muangchai Kittikasem for the title IBF in light flyweight division.

The Great John L wrote: ↑22 May 2020, 12:45

Nile4000 wrote: ↑22 May 2020, 12:29 That speaks volumes too. Probably didn't want Bonavena and Shavers either.

Possibly, but Quarry was known as a great counter puncher which I'm sure was intimidating for his team because they were familiar with Big George's shortcomings. Bonavena was incredibly awkward, so he was a difficult out for anybody and wouldn't have been a big payday either. Shavers would have been a fun matchup, but despite an impressive record, he wasn't really on peoples radar until he landed the uppercut on Ellis.

Hard to imagine Quarry having much success against Foreman in the early seventies. He wasn't quick enough to avoid Foreman's sledgehammer jab or his bombs and would have had great difficulty getting on the inside in order to land his own shots, counter or otherwise. I disagree that Foreman's team wanted 'no part' of Quarry. Shavers could have landed his big right and it might have been a bomb fest like Foreman/Lyle. Bonevena would've been crushed, IMHO.

Right before facing GGG Ishida actually gave Pirog a decent fight despite the wide scores (he was 'in' almost every round), one of the fights that make me question that Pirog was as good as a lot seem to think. Sucks tthat GGG-Pirog was cancelled when Pirog retired. I think Dimmy's legacy benefits from retiring early, now people can forever speculate without any loss to cite