Chris Byrd Fought Chronic Pain And Depression; Now He Wants To Fight At 50

[jamesmcdonnell]

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I don't see how CBD can be compared to any other items in that list

[Controversial]

Getting a bit off topic here, but I felt compelled to mention the fact that Vegan is Not a Classic Boxer diet.
Most of The old time boxers fought 10-20-30 times per year. Nowadays, the norm is once or twice per year.
Yeah, 3 or 4 bouts per year with the up and comers still doing 4 and 6 rounders, but just think about it.
Seriously compare the old time boxers with the divas and primadonnas of today.
A Real Fighting Man Needs Plenty of Animal based Protein. Good quality Meat is usually ideal but not completely necessary, providing the given boxer consumes plenty of Eggs and Dairy.

Rocky Marciano ate Steaks regularly, including in preparation for a title bout. Roberto Duran wolfed down a steak just before the 2nd Leonard bout, as a means to Re-attaining Strength, as Quick as possible. It backfired because he had been crash dieting for many weeks,including during his training camp, in order to make weight, in order to be able to get that BIG BIG title defense Payday. Also, James Braddock wolfed down piles of Meat just before bouts, while in a downtrodden economic state of existence, during the great depression, as a means to attain Or re-attain Strength and Vitality asap. George Foreman was known to Carb up BigTime, just before a bout, especially later in his carear. It was in order to have extra endurance. In the Bible it states, Bread strengthens a Man's Heart. It also states that Eating Too much meat causeth sickness.

Duran had re-conditioned and re-acclimated himself to eating minimal amounts of meat, during his crash diet, and therefore, eating a BIG steak just before going into the ring for the return bout with Leonard caused him to soon have serious stomach sickness. Its what happens if you're not scientific and discernfull with you're specific eating approach. Byrd will Need to incorporate animal products if he wants True vitality and the strength that's required. Look at Mike Tyson these days, at now 56, and absolutely Thriving on eating abundant amounts of Wild Game Meat. Joe Rogan advised him to start doing that and Mike Tyson's been thriving big-time on that type of diet ever since.

I'm no expert but theres no reason why being vegan should be worse. Steak comes from cows and what do cows eat, mainly a diet of grass, corn and other plant based things. Like most diets I think many people do it wrong, they cut stuff out but don't replace what they are losing with a good substitute or supplements so end up deficient in things. Veganism has only really become popular in recent years, steak was what everyone was told to eat in the old days.

[KiwiRider]

After reading that I don't want him to fight at 50. Does anyone?
You just get a handle on your mental and physical health, and then you want to risk it all?
Madness.
More like "Chris Byrd Chronic Debt and Depression"
Even if your broke, your mental and physical health must come before money.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Getting a bit off topic here, but I felt compelled to mention the fact that Vegan is Not a Classic Boxer diet.
Most of The old time boxers fought 10-20-30 times per year. Nowadays, the norm is once or twice per year.
Yeah, 3 or 4 bouts per year with the up and comers still doing 4 and 6 rounders, but just think about it.
Seriously compare the old time boxers with the divas and primadonnas of today.
A Real Fighting Man Needs Plenty of Animal based Protein. Good quality Meat is usually ideal but not completely necessary, providing the given boxer consumes plenty of Eggs and Dairy.

Rocky Marciano ate Steaks regularly, including in preparation for a title bout. Roberto Duran wolfed down a steak just before the 2nd Leonard bout, as a means to Re-attaining Strength, as Quick as possible. It backfired because he had been crash dieting for many weeks,including during his training camp, in order to make weight, in order to be able to get that BIG BIG title defense Payday. Also, James Braddock wolfed down piles of Meat just before bouts, while in a downtrodden economic state of existence, during the great depression, as a means to attain Or re-attain Strength and Vitality asap. George Foreman was known to Carb up BigTime, just before a bout, especially later in his carear. It was in order to have extra endurance. In the Bible it states, Bread strengthens a Man's Heart. It also states that Eating Too much meat causeth sickness.

Duran had re-conditioned and re-acclimated himself to eating minimal amounts of meat, during his crash diet, and therefore, eating a BIG steak just before going into the ring for the return bout with Leonard caused him to soon have serious stomach sickness. Its what happens if you're not scientific and discernfull with you're specific eating approach. Byrd will Need to incorporate animal products if he wants True vitality and the strength that's required. Look at Mike Tyson these days, at now 56, and absolutely Thriving on eating abundant amounts of Wild Game Meat. Joe Rogan advised him to start doing that and Mike Tyson's been thriving big-time on that type of diet ever since.

I'm no expert but theres no reason why being vegan should be worse. Steak comes from cows and what do cows eat, mainly a diet of grass, corn and other plant based things. Like most diets I think many people do it wrong, they cut stuff out but don't replace what they are losing with a good substitute or supplements so end up deficient in things. Veganism has only really become popular in recent years, steak was what everyone was told to eat in the old days.

Clearly not - that isn't how it works, just because herbivores eat plants, doesn't mean plants contain the same nutrients as meat.

It is a good deal more difficult to obtain all the right nutrients from a plant based diet for elite performance athletes - it requires a lot of planning and effort to get it right, because meat gives you the full range of amino acids, whilst to attain the same from a non meat diet, you need many different sources, this is made even harder if you aren't allowed eggs and cheese.

Even Bernard Hopkins, who is fully vegan now, said it isn't advisable for active fighters.

[Controversial]

Getting a bit off topic here, but I felt compelled to mention the fact that Vegan is Not a Classic Boxer diet.
Most of The old time boxers fought 10-20-30 times per year. Nowadays, the norm is once or twice per year.
Yeah, 3 or 4 bouts per year with the up and comers still doing 4 and 6 rounders, but just think about it.
Seriously compare the old time boxers with the divas and primadonnas of today.
A Real Fighting Man Needs Plenty of Animal based Protein. Good quality Meat is usually ideal but not completely necessary, providing the given boxer consumes plenty of Eggs and Dairy.

Rocky Marciano ate Steaks regularly, including in preparation for a title bout. Roberto Duran wolfed down a steak just before the 2nd Leonard bout, as a means to Re-attaining Strength, as Quick as possible. It backfired because he had been crash dieting for many weeks,including during his training camp, in order to make weight, in order to be able to get that BIG BIG title defense Payday. Also, James Braddock wolfed down piles of Meat just before bouts, while in a downtrodden economic state of existence, during the great depression, as a means to attain Or re-attain Strength and Vitality asap. George Foreman was known to Carb up BigTime, just before a bout, especially later in his carear. It was in order to have extra endurance. In the Bible it states, Bread strengthens a Man's Heart. It also states that Eating Too much meat causeth sickness.

Duran had re-conditioned and re-acclimated himself to eating minimal amounts of meat, during his crash diet, and therefore, eating a BIG steak just before going into the ring for the return bout with Leonard caused him to soon have serious stomach sickness. Its what happens if you're not scientific and discernfull with you're specific eating approach. Byrd will Need to incorporate animal products if he wants True vitality and the strength that's required. Look at Mike Tyson these days, at now 56, and absolutely Thriving on eating abundant amounts of Wild Game Meat. Joe Rogan advised him to start doing that and Mike Tyson's been thriving big-time on that type of diet ever since.

I'm no expert but theres no reason why being vegan should be worse. Steak comes from cows and what do cows eat, mainly a diet of grass, corn and other plant based things. Like most diets I think many people do it wrong, they cut stuff out but don't replace what they are losing with a good substitute or supplements so end up deficient in things. Veganism has only really become popular in recent years, steak was what everyone was told to eat in the old days.

Clearly not - that isn't how it works, just because herbivores eat plants, doesn't mean plants contain the same nutrients as meat.

It is a good deal more difficult to obtain all the right nutrients from a plant based diet for elite performance athletes - it requires a lot of planning and effort to get it right, because meat gives you the full range of amino acids, whilst to attain the same from a non meat diet, you need many different sources, this is made even harder if you aren't allowed eggs and cheese.

Even Bernard Hopkins, who is fully vegan now, said it isn't advisable for active fighters.

Yes but I said later on in my comment that you need to supplement your diet. It will probably depend on the fighter, Timothy Bradley had a good career and looked in fantastic shape too, he obviously planned his meals right. You can get amino acids elsewhere but as you said its harder, thats where people go wrong because they don't do it right but if you do why do you need meat as well?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I'm no expert but theres no reason why being vegan should be worse. Steak comes from cows and what do cows eat, mainly a diet of grass, corn and other plant based things. Like most diets I think many people do it wrong, they cut stuff out but don't replace what they are losing with a good substitute or supplements so end up deficient in things. Veganism has only really become popular in recent years, steak was what everyone was told to eat in the old days.

Clearly not - that isn't how it works, just because herbivores eat plants, doesn't mean plants contain the same nutrients as meat.

It is a good deal more difficult to obtain all the right nutrients from a plant based diet for elite performance athletes - it requires a lot of planning and effort to get it right, because meat gives you the full range of amino acids, whilst to attain the same from a non meat diet, you need many different sources, this is made even harder if you aren't allowed eggs and cheese.

Even Bernard Hopkins, who is fully vegan now, said it isn't advisable for active fighters.

Yes but I said later on in my comment that you need to supplement your diet. It will probably depend on the fighter, Timothy Bradley had a good career and looked in fantastic shape too, he obviously planned his meals right. You can get amino acids elsewhere but as you said its harder, thats where people go wrong because they don't do it right but if you do why do you need meat as well?

I think it creates an extra level of complexity that most fighters probably don't need.

[Controversial]

Clearly not - that isn't how it works, just because herbivores eat plants, doesn't mean plants contain the same nutrients as meat.

It is a good deal more difficult to obtain all the right nutrients from a plant based diet for elite performance athletes - it requires a lot of planning and effort to get it right, because meat gives you the full range of amino acids, whilst to attain the same from a non meat diet, you need many different sources, this is made even harder if you aren't allowed eggs and cheese.

Even Bernard Hopkins, who is fully vegan now, said it isn't advisable for active fighters.

Yes but I said later on in my comment that you need to supplement your diet. It will probably depend on the fighter, Timothy Bradley had a good career and looked in fantastic shape too, he obviously planned his meals right. You can get amino acids elsewhere but as you said its harder, thats where people go wrong because they don't do it right but if you do why do you need meat as well?

I think it creates an extra level of complexity that most fighters probably don't need.

Yes I agree, it's harder to be vegan for a top sportsman but I stand by my point that if done correctly I see no reason why you would suffer for not eating animal products. You can buy lots of plant based stuff now but if its in a packet its probably not massively better for you, its still processed and who has time to buy fresh produce daily and cook it from scratch. Except of course the top fighters who can afford to pay a chef and dietician to do it for them.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes but I said later on in my comment that you need to supplement your diet. It will probably depend on the fighter, Timothy Bradley had a good career and looked in fantastic shape too, he obviously planned his meals right. You can get amino acids elsewhere but as you said its harder, thats where people go wrong because they don't do it right but if you do why do you need meat as well?

I think it creates an extra level of complexity that most fighters probably don't need.

Yes I agree, it's harder to be vegan for a top sportsman but I stand by my point that if done correctly I see no reason why you would suffer for not eating animal products. You can buy lots of plant based stuff now but if its in a packet its probably not massively better for you, its still processed and who has time to buy fresh produce daily and cook it from scratch. Except of course the top fighters who can afford to pay a chef and dietician to do it for them.

Make no mistake, all of these plant based meat alternatives you see on the shelves, are little more than an opportunity for agribusiness to take cheap ingredients and sell them as expensive products.

[Controversial]

I think it creates an extra level of complexity that most fighters probably don't need.

Yes I agree, it's harder to be vegan for a top sportsman but I stand by my point that if done correctly I see no reason why you would suffer for not eating animal products. You can buy lots of plant based stuff now but if its in a packet its probably not massively better for you, its still processed and who has time to buy fresh produce daily and cook it from scratch. Except of course the top fighters who can afford to pay a chef and dietician to do it for them.

Make no mistake, all of these plant based meat alternatives you see on the shelves, are little more than an opportunity for agribusiness to take cheap ingredients and sell them as expensive products.

Yep, they aren't as expensive as they used to be though. I don't mind vegan sausages especially when you see the stuff they put in meat sausages

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes I agree, it's harder to be vegan for a top sportsman but I stand by my point that if done correctly I see no reason why you would suffer for not eating animal products. You can buy lots of plant based stuff now but if its in a packet its probably not massively better for you, its still processed and who has time to buy fresh produce daily and cook it from scratch. Except of course the top fighters who can afford to pay a chef and dietician to do it for them.

Make no mistake, all of these plant based meat alternatives you see on the shelves, are little more than an opportunity for agribusiness to take cheap ingredients and sell them as expensive products.

Yep, they aren't as expensive as they used to be though. I don't mind vegan sausages especially when you see the stuff they put in meat sausages

Most of the meat alternatives are packed with additives to make it taste of something.

What is it you think goes into meat sausages? If you buy cheap, you get crap, I only buy decent sausages.

[Controversial]

Make no mistake, all of these plant based meat alternatives you see on the shelves, are little more than an opportunity for agribusiness to take cheap ingredients and sell them as expensive products.

Yep, they aren't as expensive as they used to be though. I don't mind vegan sausages especially when you see the stuff they put in meat sausages

Most of the meat alternatives are packed with additives to make it taste of something.

What is it you think goes into meat sausages? If you buy cheap, you get crap, I only buy decent sausages.

Like most things you get what you pay for, the pork content normally isn't that high or of a good quality plus they can contain fat or connective tissue all mushed up along with salt, additives etc. Out the two I'd rather eat meat free sausages, still not 'healthy' in the great scheme of things but easier to digest and unlikely to make you ill if undercooked.

[KiwiRider]

My goodness he is slow!
I'm older than him and have more speed. If that punch bag swung a bit more it would have taken him out!
No Chris!!
Just no.

[rob h]

Well the ganga is definitely working if he thinks he can still fight.

[punchy1]

If Chris wants to fight again, he will have to get a battery of tests, brain scans, eeg, ekg, bloodwork, coagulant, a full physical, eye exam, etc.. putting him in with a C level might be the only path to victory for him, provided he can pass the exams.
Not sure about him financially, but I am sure he loves the sport.
I remember Chris was pretty damn big even for an undersized heavy. That is the problem, even if you add the bodyweight, your skeletal frame is still that of a middleweight. Your bones and connective tissue can only get so much stronger or bigger or thicker for your original adult fram/ mass/ weight. Any attempts to add pounds, natural or otherwise, pretty much don't give you bigger bones and tissue, the exception being growth hormone.

All the best to him.

If he want to box, let him.

[jamesmcdonnell]

My goodness he is slow!
I'm older than him and have more speed. If that punch bag swung a bit more it would have taken him out!
No Chris!!
Just no.

That's what I thought too. He looked like the video was in slow motion.

[Controversial]

Do you think these guys actually believe they still have it? Boxing is a young man’s game in the main and surely they must know that. Sad when you see them coming out with stuff like this.

[margaret thatcher]

maybe they should have a seniors boxing circuit with massive gloves and much shorter fights. give these guys a safer way to stay fighters. its why i dont mind the exhibitions so much with retired greats. maybe they could do some body shot only matches

or perhaps someone could steer chris into the exhibition route. maybe he could top off local amateur cards or something. some dancing and jabbing vs someone in on it

[KiwiRider]

maybe they should have a seniors boxing circuit with massive gloves and much shorter fights. give these guys a safer way to stay fighters. its why i dont mind the exhibitions so much with retired greats

Who would want to watch it?
Bumbling old feckers risking brain injury. Did you watch the clip?

The only plus factor I can think of is you can follow the action with a skin full because it is so slow

[margaret thatcher]

do it locally or something, doesnt need to sell out a stadium. could just throw it on some amateur card or low end pro card in the area. could even arrange it in a gym

i think a lot of these oldies just miss competing and the build up to it. it's what they did most of their life. i imagine for a lot of them it was the biggest part of their identity

[KiwiRider]

do it locally or something, doesnt need to sell out a stadium. could just throw it on some amateur card or low end pro card in the area. could even arrange it in a gym

i think a lot of these oldies just miss competing and the build up to it. it's what they did most of their life. i imagine for a lot of them it was the biggest part of their identity

Maybe. I think it is more the money though, which is why I wonder who would pay to go to it.
I really enjoyed boxing, but no flippin way do I want to get punched in the face again, my nose set straight in my last fight

[margaret thatcher]

these guys were athletes for decades and probably had their biggest life moments as competitors. regardless of their money situation i think that drive comes back for a lot of them at some point, when they start to miss the sport. it was something they were really good at and got praised for.

[Controversial]

The article is nearly two years old and Byrd is still saying now he wants to fight again, he will be 52 soon so something is holding him back.

Remember when Razor Ruddock made a comeback aged 51 in 2015 after almost 14 years out the ring, he said he was in the best shape of his life, felt stronger and fitter than ever blah blah blah... he ended up being knocked out in 3 rounds by an unknown 8-2 fighter.

[margaret thatcher]

razor did win a couple fights before that, and carmack can punch (he later ko'd unbeaten canadian olympian simon kean)...but ya, was far from prime razor wasnt it

[greg]

...last time Byrd fought was 13-14 years ago and even then he looked the shadow of his former self...sweet wet dreams ..

[KiwiRider]

...last time Byrd fought was 13-14 years ago and even then he looked the shadow of his former self...sweet wet dreams ..

I saw him last fighting a young Povetkin and it was hard to watch, I think Byrd's team chucked in the towel eventually.