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Thomastearns wrote: ↑11 Oct 2020, 15:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Oct 2020, 20:19 Tyson never overcame adversity inside the ring.

When Holyfield was a massive underdog against Tyson, he bullied the overwhelming favourite, because he’d sparred with him years earlier and already knew he had his number.

Tyson was mentally weak.

If you listen to Tyson’s tearful comments about Muhammad Ali, he might have been a “bad mutherf*cker”, but he wasn’t “willing die to for this sh*t” (his actual words), because he felt Ali was the greatest.

If people seriously doubt my claims, then challenge me. Bring it on and you’ll be surprised about the sheer volume of evidence I’ll be able to supply.

You're not only on the wrong track, you're on the wrong train going the wrong way with your headphones on listening to Teddy.

Seriously, what exactly do you know about adversity?

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 11:28 Tyson is a mistery. At 21-22 y/o , he wasn't even in his prime years as a boxer. That's why it's sooo f-cking interesting and curious to see what type of a fighter Mike would've been at 27-28 y/o with Cus/Rooney on his corner and with no bad distractions outside the ring?!

I think the Tony Tucker fight could give us a clue. Tucker also fought six years later (after the fight with Tyson) against Lennox where L.L won by UD.

Maybe Tyson was pretty good for a short-stocky HW.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 12:10

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 11:28 Tyson is a mistery. At 21-22 y/o , he wasn't even in his prime years as a boxer. That's why it's sooo f-cking interesting and curious to see what type of a fighter Mike would've been at 27-28 y/o with Cus/Rooney on his corner and with no bad distractions outside the ring?!

I think the Tony Tucker fight could give us a clue. Tucker also fought six years later (after the fight with Tyson) against Lennox where L.L won by UD.

Maybe Tyson was pretty good for a short-stocky HW.

Mike would always have had distractions provided by the millions he was earning.

snake33 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 15:55 If we're talking the Kevin Rooney Tyson, he would have beat Holmes.
After that he would not beat a prime Holmes.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 05:27 In terms of The RING annual ratings, who else did Tyson fight during the 1990s that were top-ten world-rated heavyweights during that decade that I haven't already mentioned? The answer is simple - none one

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 12:10

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 11:28 Tyson is a mistery. At 21-22 y/o , he wasn't even in his prime years as a boxer. That's why it's sooo f-cking interesting and curious to see what type of a fighter Mike would've been at 27-28 y/o with Cus/Rooney on his corner and with no bad distractions outside the ring?!

I think the Tony Tucker fight could give us a clue. Tucker also fought six years later (after the fight with Tyson) against Lennox where L.L won by UD.

Maybe Tyson was pretty good for a short-stocky HW.

Mike would always have had distractions provided by the millions he was earning.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 14:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 12:10

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 11:28 Tyson is a mistery. At 21-22 y/o , he wasn't even in his prime years as a boxer. That's why it's sooo f-cking interesting and curious to see what type of a fighter Mike would've been at 27-28 y/o with Cus/Rooney on his corner and with no bad distractions outside the ring?!

I think the Tony Tucker fight could give us a clue. Tucker also fought six years later (after the fight with Tyson) against Lennox where L.L won by UD.

Maybe Tyson was pretty good for a short-stocky HW.

Mike would always have had distractions provided by the millions he was earning.

Prime can come and go at different stages of you career. But yeh, even with Tyson, who knows of at 20 years old, he was still getting to his peak. Shame we didn’t find out.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 05:27 The heavyweight scene improved drastically from 1990 onwards.

It’s sad to say this, but Mike Tyson’s best wins during the 1990s were against Donovan Ruddock (1991); Bruce Seldon (1996); and Frank Bruno (1996).

And when Tyson eventually fought the best fighters of the 1990s, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis, he lost rather badly.

In terms of The RING annual ratings, who else did Tyson fight during the 1990s that were top-ten world-rated heavyweights during that decade that I haven't already mentioned? The answer is simple - none one.

He didn’t face Michael Moorer, Riddick Bowe, Ray Mercer, George Foreman, Tim Witherspoon, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi.

I’m not saying he would have tasted defeat to all these fighters, but a few of them were capable of beating him during the 1990s.

And before anyone claims that Tyson was past his physical prime during the 1990s, they need to remember he was only 23½ years of age on the 1st January 1990.

During the 2000s, before the Lewis defeat, Tyson was rated above the Klitschko brothers and Chris Byrd. That iteration of ‘Iron’ Mike would have almost certainly been dominated by those three guys.

In 2003, when people still thought Tyson had something left after scoring a first round KO over Clifford Etienne, I feel he would have lost to blown-up middleweights like James Toney and Roy Jones Jr.

To be honest, I’m not sure if Tyson suddenly became a shot (or at least a much worse) fighter shortly after his 23rd birthday or whether his impressive performances between 1986 and 1989 were due to him enjoying a title reign during a weak heavyweight era.

Whilst I’m sure this post is going to ruffle the feathers of many BoxRec forum members, they really need to review Mike Tyson’s resume from 1990 onwards before criticising the factual accuracy of this post.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 05:27 The heavyweight scene improved drastically from 1990 onwards.

It’s sad to say this, but Mike Tyson’s best wins during the 1990s were against Donovan Ruddock (1991); Bruce Seldon (1996); and Frank Bruno (1996).

And when Tyson eventually fought the best fighters of the 1990s, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis, he lost rather badly.

In terms of The RING annual ratings, who else did Tyson fight during the 1990s that were top-ten world-rated heavyweights during that decade that I haven't already mentioned? The answer is simple - none one.

He didn’t face Michael Moorer, Riddick Bowe, Ray Mercer, George Foreman, Tim Witherspoon, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi.

I’m not saying he would have tasted defeat to all these fighters, but a few of them were capable of beating him during the 1990s.

And before anyone claims that Tyson was past his physical prime during the 1990s, they need to remember he was only 23½ years of age on the 1st January 1990.

During the 2000s, before the Lewis defeat, Tyson was rated above the Klitschko brothers and Chris Byrd. That iteration of ‘Iron’ Mike would have almost certainly been dominated by those three guys.

In 2003, when people still thought Tyson had something left after scoring a first round KO over Clifford Etienne, I feel he would have lost to blown-up middleweights like James Toney and Roy Jones Jr.

To be honest, I’m not sure if Tyson suddenly became a shot (or at least a much worse) fighter shortly after his 23rd birthday or whether his impressive performances between 1986 and 1989 were due to him enjoying a title reign during a weak heavyweight era.

Whilst I’m sure this post is going to ruffle the feathers of many BoxRec forum members, they really need to review Mike Tyson’s resume from 1990 onwards before criticising the factual accuracy of this post.

Boxtune wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 09:43 This is all CRAP TALK. so many old farts in this group who think their youngster days heros still matter.

Out these old farts who call themself hardcore boxing fan, NOBODY KNOWS mr. Larry Holmes.

If you ask any UFC or other combat sport fan, they know mike tyson. But non give a Fart about Larry WHO !