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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 22:50

gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 22:46 i think He should of fought Patrick Teixeira for the 154 WBO title (would of been mandatory if he moved up) and its a soft 154 belt...

Patrick Teixeira has to perform a mandatory defence against the PBC’s Brian Castaño.

The champion is the underdog for that fight.

I know, but if crawford had of said he was moving up befor that was called i think he would have got the mandatory spot by WBOs rules. thats why i said should of (mabey correct English would be 'should have').

He wouldn't have any weight on Errol.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 23:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 23:07

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 22:54
Never said that. I"m saying that I don't care. If Craw fights any bums or midgets, I can choose not to watch.

I am also saying that he is not a massive WW.

You only focussed on height and by your own admission, you never even bothered to check his rehydrated ring weighs,, yet you still falsely claimed his last five opponents were “bigger” than him.

To make such an assertion without even considering rehydrated ring weights, clearly proves your belief that it’s irrelevant and cannot be used to measure “size”.

I’ve already listed examples of Crawford’s weights and compared them to other fighters.

Thanks.

You haven't listed anyone else's rehydration weights either. So you feel it's appropriate and telling to compare weigh-in weight of one fighter against rehydration weight for the other? That's consistent for you. You are the DJT of tthe forum.

It’s rather sad that I have to keep repeating myself by citing the same stats over-and-over again. And it also disappoints me that you disregard the importance of rehydrated ring-weight when gauging size.

When Crawford defended his 135lbs title against Yuriorkis Gamboa, he entered the ring weighing 152lbs.

Less than seven hours before the official weigh-in for the Raymundo Beltran bout, Crawford had to shift more than 5½lbs to make the 135lbs weight limit. He had to resort to extreme measures to make weight, which resulted in him being too drained to stand up during his media interviews. He subsequently gained 18lbs within 24 hours, when he eventually entered the ring for that fight weighing 153lbs.

And let's not forget that Timothy Bradley’s ring weight for the Manny Pacquiao bout was 152lbs. Floyd Mayweather weighed 150lbs against Victor Ortiz. Robert Guerrero weighed 152lbs against Keith Thurman. These were welterweight fights.

Crawford’s ring-weight when he defended his 140lbs title against Viktor Postol was 157lbs.

Marcos Maidana weighed 156½lbs against Lopez. Keith Thurman weighed 156lbs against Chavez. Danny Garcia weighed 157lbs against Peterson. Joshua Clottey weighed 156lbs against Zab Judah. These were also welterweight fights.

Coincidentally, Marvin Hagler “officially” weighed 157lbs the very same day of his world middleweight title bouts against Roberto Duran and Mustafa Hamsho.

Shortly after his 140lbs title unification bout against Julius Indongo, Crawford posted an image of himself weighing 177lbs, which was almost 3½ years ago. He's physically much bigger today than he was back then.

Kell Brook weighed 176lbs and Marco Antonio Rubio weighed 174½lbs during their 30-day weigh-in’s for their middleweight title bouts against GGG.

A gentle reminder, the official weight limit for the welterweight division is only 147lbs.

I wouldnt really be excited about Crawford vs Spence. It would really just be a glorified mismatch. Put Crawford in there VS GGG. That would be a fight.

Dougie Fischer has just provided a rather interesting response to a question he was posed within an article published today by The RING, about Crawford's prospects for facing PBC guys like Pacquiao and Spence Jr.

Evidently, the Pacquiao-Crawford showdown was close to being a done deal (although Bud was still holding out for more money) in Qatar before the pandemic kiboshed it.

Bob Arum is going to try to get it done for the spring of 2021, but if that crossroads event can’t be made (for any reason) my guess is that Crawford’s days with Top Rank are numbered.

His contract reportedly expires in October 2021, but if a major matchup (vs. Pacquiao or the Spence-Garcia winner) can’t be promised and delivered by the summer, he’s going to likely push for an early release and the Las Vegas-based promotional company might give it to him.

They pay Crawford $3.5-$4 million per fight and that $7-$8 million a year could go to making A LOT of really good matchups that can help build their up-and-coming talent into attractions and stars.

Teofimo is the man at 135 pounds and now considered one of the 10 best boxers, pound for pound, by Ring Magazine.

You know who leads Top Rank’s young talent – Ring lightweight champ Teofimo Lopez. The dynamic 23-year-old boxer-puncher is the future.

At one time, Top Rank had plans of matching Ring/WBA/IBF junior welterweight champ Josh Taylor vs. WBC/WBO super lightweight titleholder Jose Ramirez to crown an undisputed 140-pound champ who could then step up to 147 and challenge Crawford.

But now they can match Lopez with the undisputed junior welterweight king and promote an event that would just as big (if not bigger) than the Taylor-Ramirez winner vs. Crawford.

Shoot, Top Rank would have no problem reeling in Regis Prograis with the money they were paying Crawford. Imagine the round robin the Lopez-Taylor-Ramirez-Prograis combo could create at 140 pounds.

My point is that Top Rank has a lot of world-class-to-elite talent and big-fight options beyond Crawford (Tyson Fury vs. whoever, Taylor-Ramirez, Lopez vs. Taylor-Ramirez winner, Vasiliy Lomachenko vs. Shakur Stevenson or Miguel Berchelt, Stevenson vs. Berchelt, Artur Beterbiev vs. Joe Smith Jr., etc.)

If the only way Crawford can land fights vs. Pacquiao (who’s got one more fight with Al), Spence, Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter and Yordenis Ugas is to sign with the PBC, so be it. He’s gotta do what he’s gotta do to secure his boxing legacy and make the most money he can while still in his prime.

It’s rather interesting that Crawford’s contract with Top Rank is due to expire around the same date Spence Jr. competes in his third bout of his already prearranged schedule (i.e. Danny Garcia in December 2020; and then fights are lined-up during 2021 against Porter and Thurman).

So I really do hope Bud finally does the right thing by leaving Top Rank for the PBC sometime next year.

Perhaps that’s always been Al Haymon’s plan? Wait until Crawford leaves Top Rank before making the Spence Jr. fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 21:12 Bob Arum and Terence Crawford will continue employing their current strategy by dishonesty pretending they’re trying to make fights against Pacquiao and Spence Jr., but no offers will ever be submitted.

Meanwhile, the ESPN pundits (namely Andre Ward and Timothy Bradley), will continue claiming that Terence Crawford is the best pound-for-pounder on the planet, whilst remaining tight-lipped about Crawford’s notoriously thin resume at 147lbs.

They’ll also bemoan the fact the PBC are “unfairly” staging in-house fights, without considering to include Crawford, and also falsely claim that Errol Spence Jr. is biding his time facing his stablemates hoping he can eventually cherry-pick a fight an old past-his-prime version of Bud.

And within the next twelve months, Crawford will extend his contract with Top Rank, whilst receiving a $3m+ guarantee per bout, and then he’ll moan about not being able to face any of the PBC guys.

Meanwhile, Crawford will continue engaging in horrendous mismatches, much akin to the Brook fight, whilst his die-hard fans will pretend he can’t get fights because he’s the “boogeyman” and the “PBC guys are far too scared to face him.”

They’ll live in denial about the fact Crawford intentionally chose the pay cheque over sporting legacy.

People might accuse me of being a “hater”, but I’ve seen quite a few ESPN videos this week whereby most of what I’ve written has already happened.

Here you'r right eo. They are playing this game to not risk their asset (T.C). In reality TR should knock to PBC's door and try to make real offers and negotiations. PBC has the top-tested welters and super welters.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 21:22 Crawford is the biggest fight for spence both money and legacy wise.

These arent mutually exclusive truths

Imo T.C needs Spence much more than vice-versa b/c Spence fought better quality opponents like M. Garcia, Porter and his next fight is vs D. Garcia. Also If Spence wins against D. Garcia he has more options like Pacquiao, maybe Thurman or move up to 154 lbs where is Charlo. Also if Spence does good and wins his next fights he could fight Canelo. Actually I think Canelo vs Spence at 160 or 165 lbs is the 'ultimate' fight for Spence.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 06:43
It’s rather interesting that Crawford’s contract with Top Rank is due to expire around the same date Spence Jr. competes in his third bout of his already prearranged schedule (i.e. Danny Garcia in December 2020; and then fights are lined-up during 2021 against Porter and Thurman).

So I really do hope Bud finally does the right thing by leaving Top Rank for the PBC sometime next year.

Perhaps that’s always been Al Haymon’s plan? Wait until Crawford leaves Top Rank before making the Spence Jr. fight.

Indeed the only way for Crawford to get the good fights is to sign with PBC. But we will see what he's next move with TR.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 22:35

Cent0089 wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 12:56 i dont think Taylor and Ramirez are smaller than Crawford.

Terence Crawford is a huge welterweight and has traditionally been considered a “weight bully”.

Terence Crawford posted a picture of himself weighing 177lbs (before he made the jump to 147lbs) and we've also seen him rehydrate to an enormous 157lbs to dominate significantly smaller opposition in the 140lbs weight class (i.e. the Viktor Postol fight).

This is the same “official” weight that Marvin Hagler defended his middleweight crown against Roberto Duran and Mustafa Hamsho, when weigh-in’s took place on the morning of the fight.

Terence Crawford’s rehydration fighting weight at 140lbs was the equivalent of Keith Thurman, Timothy Bradley, Adrien Broner, Robert Guerrero and Danny Garcia’s rehydrated ring weight at welterweight.

Terence Crawford is a physically much bigger man today than his 140lbs heyday.

Hagler also weighed more in ring than at weigh in. And Crawford was fighting at 135 lbs, so he is not weight bully at 147 imo.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 09:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 22:35

Cent0089 wrote: ↑15 Nov 2020, 12:56 i dont think Taylor and Ramirez are smaller than Crawford.

Terence Crawford is a huge welterweight and has traditionally been considered a “weight bully”.

Terence Crawford posted a picture of himself weighing 177lbs (before he made the jump to 147lbs) and we've also seen him rehydrate to an enormous 157lbs to dominate significantly smaller opposition in the 140lbs weight class (i.e. the Viktor Postol fight).

This is the same “official” weight that Marvin Hagler defended his middleweight crown against Roberto Duran and Mustafa Hamsho, when weigh-in’s took place on the morning of the fight.

Terence Crawford’s rehydration fighting weight at 140lbs was the equivalent of Keith Thurman, Timothy Bradley, Adrien Broner, Robert Guerrero and Danny Garcia’s rehydrated ring weight at welterweight.

Terence Crawford is a physically much bigger man today than his 140lbs heyday.

Hagler also weighed more in ring than at weigh in. And Crawford was fighting at 135 lbs, so he is not weight bully at 147 imo.

Somebody else challenged me about Crawford being a "small" welterweight, so I'll use the same post to address your claims about Taylor and Ramirez being the same size as Bud:

When Crawford defended his 135lbs title against Yuriorkis Gamboa, he entered the ring weighing 152lbs.

Less than seven hours before the official weigh-in for the Raymundo Beltran bout, Crawford had to shift more than 5½lbs to make the 135lbs weight limit. He had to resort to extreme measures to make weight, which resulted in him being too drained to stand up during his media interviews. He subsequently gained 18lbs within 24 hours, when he eventually entered the ring for that fight weighing 153lbs.

And let's not forget that Timothy Bradley’s ring weight for the Manny Pacquiao bout was 152lbs. Floyd Mayweather weighed 150lbs against Victor Ortiz. Robert Guerrero weighed 152lbs against Keith Thurman. These were welterweight fights.

Crawford’s ring-weight when he defended his 140lbs title against Viktor Postol was 157lbs.

Marcos Maidana weighed 156½lbs against Lopez. Keith Thurman weighed 156lbs against Chavez. Danny Garcia weighed 157lbs against Peterson. Joshua Clottey weighed 156lbs against Zab Judah. These were also welterweight fights.

Coincidentally, Marvin Hagler “officially” weighed 157lbs the very same day of his world middleweight title bouts against Roberto Duran and Mustafa Hamsho.

Shortly after his 140lbs title unification bout against Julius Indongo, Crawford posted an image of himself weighing 177lbs, which was almost 3½ years ago. He's physically much bigger today than he was back then.

Kell Brook weighed 176lbs and Marco Antonio Rubio weighed 174½lbs during their 30-day weigh-in’s for their middleweight title bouts against GGG.

A gentle reminder, the official weight limit for the welterweight division is only 147lbs.

Therefore, it's easy to claim that Crawford is a big welterweight, because when he was competing at 135lbs and 140lbs, he entered the ring weighing more than many big-name established 147lb-ers.

Unfortunately though, the TV networks have refrained from announcing fighters rehydrated weights, but his ring-weights immediately prior to him making the jump to welterweight clearly illustrate the fact he's one of the biggest 147lb-ers competing today.

I can imagine him being around 160 in the ring against Brook. Im ok with that. Spence is bigger than Crawford imo.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 09:46 I can imagine him being around 160 in the ring against Brook. Im ok with that. Spence is bigger than Crawford imo.

He might be slightly smaller than Spence Jr., but he's still one of the sports' biggest welterweights.

And to be honest, if he was entering the ring weighing 157lbs for his 140lbs bouts, which took place more than three years ago, I suspect he's approaching 165lbs for his welterweight fights.

Crawford is a well sized welter.

I'm curious to see if T.C will renew his contract with T.R. I'd be very surprised and also amped if Crawford goes with PBC for bigger and better fights.

apollo creed wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 11:12 I'm curious to see if T.C will renew his contract with T.R. I'd be very surprised and also amped if Crawford goes with PBC for bigger and better fights.

Realistically this is what I think happens and is the only way we see TC fight Spence or Porter. This way PBC and Fox keep all the money for themselves. They keep the superstar P4P #1 whether it’s Spence or Crawford. After building up Spence as a PPV star they can’t risk him losing to Crawford and then Crawford go back to TR & ESPN as the undisputed best welterweight. They know Crawford and TR are on bad terms, and they just waiting to pounce once that contract isn’t signed. Meanwhile the fans keep marinating over the super fight and it just gets more and more valuable every day.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 13:11

apollo creed wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 11:12 I'm curious to see if T.C will renew his contract with T.R. I'd be very surprised and also amped if Crawford goes with PBC for bigger and better fights.

Realistically this is what I think happens and is the only way we see TC fight Spence or Porter. This way PBC and Fox keep all the money for themselves. They keep the superstar P4P #1 whether it’s Spence or Crawford. After building up Spence as a PPV star they can’t risk him losing to Crawford and then Crawford go back to TR & ESPN as the undisputed best welterweight. They know Crawford and TR are on bad terms, and they just waiting to pounce once that contract isn’t signed. Meanwhile the fans keep marinating over the super fight and it just gets more and more valuable every day.

I hope this strategy comes to fruition so we can see a top ww fight!

spence , i wouldnt mind seeing him fight Shawn Porter