Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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Re: Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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Lomachenko said that “We’ve got 6-6 which is a draw.

Most people thought Lomachenko deserved to lose by a 116-112 margin (losing the first seven and the final rounds).

Even though I wholeheartedly believe that CompuBox punch stats shouldn’t be used to score fights, they accurately illustrate Lomachenko’s poor work-rate during the rounds most observers believe he deserved to lose.

And any fighter that believes a draw is warranted shouldn’t make accusations about corruption and dishonesty if the result doesn’t go their way.

“If it’s a draw we use the unspoken rule of boxing, we look for rounds 10-12. I won two of them. It’s two to one.”

That “unspoken” rule doesn’t exist. It’s a bizarrely preposterous claim to make.

“They knew that the possibility of a knockout from my side was around 20%.”

What’s that got to do with things? And why 20%? Why not 17% or 23%? Another bizarre unfounded claim!

“What does it say? It’s about being bribed. There was nothing about honest judging.”

Only Julie Lederman’s scorecard seemed strange. She shouldn’t have awarded rounds 8, 9 and 10 to Lopez.

The other official scorecards were perfectly fine and accurately reflected the thoughts of the vast majority of those who watched the fight.

And like I said before, Lomachenko shouldn’t make libellous accusations of bribery and corruption due to the outcome of a fight he only thought he drew.
Finkel wrote: 18 Dec 2020, 21:11It sounds like he is arguing that score cards were clearly crooked. Which they were to be fair to him.
Apart from Julie Lederman’s scorecard, there was nothing “crooked” about the other two.
Finkel wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 06:219-3
Stretching it
It seems the media and most people that frequent this forum only gave Lomachenko four rounds (8, 9, 10 and 11). There’s only one round discrepancy.
Thomastearns wrote: 22 Dec 2020, 13:21Lopez's words mean absolutely nothing unless he's prepared to go again.

It should be quite clear to everyone that he isn't. Hence, it's better for him if he keeps his mouth shut.

Or else everyone will then see what kind of man he really is.
If Lomachenko was awarded the victory by a well-deserved 116-112 margin, would you venomously criticise him for not granting Lopez an immediate rematch, especially if Teofimo had accused the judges of corruption and bribery?

It’s a genuine question, because I’m wondering whether you’re choosing to apply double-standards based on your fanaticism of Lomachenko.
Stanny Onis wrote: 23 Dec 2020, 12:42The fix was definitely in as you can see from that particularly awful scorecard.
The right man won.
Stanny Onis wrote: 23 Dec 2020, 12:42Loma started far too late. But when he did let his hands go in rounds 7-11 he was the clear superior better fighter.
This is professional boxing. It isn’t the amateurs or the WSB, whereby the duration of bouts only lasts for three to five rounds.

Lomachenko will be 33 years of age for his next outing, which means he’s already past his physical prime.

It’s very likely that he’s unable to maintain a high punch rate for twelve consecutive rounds.

Put it this way, Lomachenko tried his best to raise his game and stage a late rally during the twelfth round against Lopez, but instead, he was outworked by an athletically superior opponent ten years his junior.

It wasn’t as if the Ukrainian coasted during the final round and willingly gave it to the American!

Fighting in spurts and only showing brief glimpses of brilliance is meaningless if he doesn’t have the engine to win more than six rounds in contests that last the distance.
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Re: Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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Stanny Onis wrote: 23 Dec 2020, 12:42 A draw would have been the fair result. The fix was definitely in as you can see from that particularly awful scorecard.

Loma started far too late. But when he did let his hands go in rounds 7-11 he was the clear superior better fighter.
I would agree with you that Loma looked better in the rounds he dominated. The problem is. There was only 4 of those. He lost the other ones.

He had lost so many rounds before he ever started opening up than anything short of a KO wasn't gonna be enough, and he didn't get a KO so....
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Re: Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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for the first six rounds loma did zip! nill! nothing! nischta!

if u generously give him 7-11 (i don't), he still lost round 12 clearly and the fight.

no 2 ways about it.
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Re: Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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adislav123 wrote: 28 Dec 2020, 11:17 for the first six rounds loma did zip! nill! nothing! nischta!

if u generously give him 7-11 (i don't), he still lost round 12 clearly and the fight.

no 2 ways about it.
I thought he lost Round 7. I thought he swept rounds 8 thru 11 in dominant fashion, but those are the only rounds he clearly won.
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Re: Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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Enlightened-One wrote: 28 Dec 2020, 10:39
Only Julie Lederman’s scorecard seemed strange. She shouldn’t have awarded rounds 8, 9 and 10 to Lopez.

The other official scorecards were perfectly fine and accurately reflected the thoughts of the vast majority of those who watched the fight.

And like I said before, Lomachenko shouldn’t make libellous accusations of bribery and corruption due to the outcome of a fight he only thought he drew.
Finkel wrote: 18 Dec 2020, 21:11It sounds like he is arguing that score cards were clearly crooked. Which they were to be fair to him.
Apart from Julie Lederman’s scorecard, there was nothing “crooked” about the other two.
Finkel wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 06:219-3
Stretching it
It seems the media and most people that frequent this forum only gave Lomachenko four rounds (8, 9, 10 and 11). There’s only one round discrepancy.
If it's all the same, I'll just reply to the part directly addressing me.

The problem with what you wrote there is that literally nobody on the round by round scored it 9-3 on this forum.

So unless this Forum is full of posters who are biased against Teofemo Lopez, I don't think you can say there was nothing crooked about 9-3 card.
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Re: Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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Finkel wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 20:06
Enlightened-One wrote: 28 Dec 2020, 10:39
Only Julie Lederman’s scorecard seemed strange. She shouldn’t have awarded rounds 8, 9 and 10 to Lopez.

The other official scorecards were perfectly fine and accurately reflected the thoughts of the vast majority of those who watched the fight.

And like I said before, Lomachenko shouldn’t make libellous accusations of bribery and corruption due to the outcome of a fight he only thought he drew.
Finkel wrote: 18 Dec 2020, 21:11It sounds like he is arguing that score cards were clearly crooked. Which they were to be fair to him.
Apart from Julie Lederman’s scorecard, there was nothing “crooked” about the other two.
Finkel wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 06:219-3
Stretching it
It seems the media and most people that frequent this forum only gave Lomachenko four rounds (8, 9, 10 and 11). There’s only one round discrepancy.
If it's all the same, I'll just reply to the part directly addressing me.

The problem with what you wrote there is that literally nobody on the round by round scored it 9-3 on this forum.

So unless this Forum is full of posters who are biased against Teofemo Lopez, I don't think you can say there was nothing crooked about 9-3 card.
I had it 7 rounds to 5 for Teofimo.

There's always something slightly off about the scorecards. Almost never do all 3 judges get it exactly right. All you can really ever hope for in this sport is that the right guy won.

Teofimo won the fight.

The only debate to be had is the margin of victory.

That's it.
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I had it 8-4. 9-3 Lopez is a better card than a draw. Though I did think lomas 4 were clear.
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the headline should be

'loma opens up his asshole, and is now majorly butthurt about loss to teo lopez'

let's be real, we all rightfully laughed at wilder, so we should lol at lomster too
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Onetimeonly wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:49 I had it 8-4. 9-3 Lopez is a better card than a draw. Though I did think lomas 4 were clear.
Yeah rounds 8 thru 11 were clear as a bell for him. Arguably the clearest rounds of the bout.
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Re: Vasiliy Lomachenko Opens Up On Teofimo Lopez Loss: “It’s About Being Bribed, There Was Nothing About Honest Judging”

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margaret thatcher wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:52 the headline should be

'loma opens up his asshole, and is now majorly butthurt about loss to teo lopez'

let's be real, we all rightfully laughed at wilder, so we should lol at lomster too
We're definitely calling Loma on his bullsh*t in this thread. At least he didn't make a million excuses like Wilder. He just blames the judges.

Hope he doesn't start with he was poisoned or his robe weighed him down or some other BS :lol:
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gilgamesh wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:54
Onetimeonly wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:49 I had it 8-4. 9-3 Lopez is a better card than a draw. Though I did think lomas 4 were clear.
Yeah rounds 8 thru 11 were clear as a bell for him. Arguably the clearest rounds of the bout.
Nothing was clearer than round 12.
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gilgamesh wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:56
margaret thatcher wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:52 the headline should be

'loma opens up his asshole, and is now majorly butthurt about loss to teo lopez'

let's be real, we all rightfully laughed at wilder, so we should lol at lomster too
We're definitely calling Loma on his bullsh*t in this thread. At least he didn't make a million excuses like Wilder. He just blames the judges.

Hope he doesn't start with he was poisoned or his robe weighed him down or some other BS :lol:
I would prefer the approach of, mate, you lost. It was a close fight, but if your best case is to argue a draw on a scorecard, then yeah, real talk - you lost.

Whilst at the same time, acknowledging the winner of the fight had been decided before hand, and in turn making moves to clean the sport up.

Let's be real here, 11-1 is just insulting the fan's intelligence, whilst laughing all the way to bank.

Anyway, it seems Lomachenko is quickly distancing himself from the comments about corruption.
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Some fights are difficult to judge/score........this wasn't one of them.
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Loma isn't hurting himself, not like he's a mainstream sports star. I'm sure several hundred thousand viewers, in the States, had never seen him fight before and were impressed with his rally.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 05:21 Loma isn't hurting himself, not like he's a mainstream sports star. I'm sure several hundred thousand viewers, in the States, had never seen him fight before and were impressed with his rally.
Yeh, only a number of websites posted this article, mostly Russian.

Casual mainstream fans don’t search boxing news like I do. No one will even know that’s he’s butthurt.

Whereas Wilder has been everywhere with his excuses. And more people have talked about it.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 07:03
Onetimeonly wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 05:21 Loma isn't hurting himself, not like he's a mainstream sports star. I'm sure several hundred thousand viewers, in the States, had never seen him fight before and were impressed with his rally.
Yeh, only a number of websites posted this article, mostly Russian.

Casual mainstream fans don’t search boxing news like I do. No one will even know that’s he’s butthurt.

Whereas Wilder has been everywhere with his excuses. And more people have talked about it.
Nobody pays attention to wilder here.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 07:06
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 07:03
Onetimeonly wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 05:21 Loma isn't hurting himself, not like he's a mainstream sports star. I'm sure several hundred thousand viewers, in the States, had never seen him fight before and were impressed with his rally.
Yeh, only a number of websites posted this article, mostly Russian.

Casual mainstream fans don’t search boxing news like I do. No one will even know that’s he’s butthurt.

Whereas Wilder has been everywhere with his excuses. And more people have talked about it.
Nobody pays attention to wilder here.
Just the UK, because his biggest rivals are Fury and Joshua. Sky and the UK YouTube channels like IFL tv have been all over it.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 22:19
gilgamesh wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:54
Onetimeonly wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:49 I had it 8-4. 9-3 Lopez is a better card than a draw. Though I did think lomas 4 were clear.
Yeah rounds 8 thru 11 were clear as a bell for him. Arguably the clearest rounds of the bout.
Nothing was clearer than round 12.
Almost every round of the fight was clearer than Round 12 except maybe Round 2.
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Finkel wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 00:10
gilgamesh wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:56
margaret thatcher wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:52 the headline should be

'loma opens up his asshole, and is now majorly butthurt about loss to teo lopez'

let's be real, we all rightfully laughed at wilder, so we should lol at lomster too
We're definitely calling Loma on his bullsh*t in this thread. At least he didn't make a million excuses like Wilder. He just blames the judges.

Hope he doesn't start with he was poisoned or his robe weighed him down or some other BS :lol:
I would prefer the approach of, mate, you lost. It was a close fight, but if your best case is to argue a draw on a scorecard, then yeah, real talk - you lost.

Whilst at the same time, acknowledging the winner of the fight had been decided before hand, and in turn making moves to clean the sport up.

Let's be real here, 11-1 is just insulting the fan's intelligence, whilst laughing all the way to bank.

Anyway, it seems Lomachenko is quickly distancing himself from the comments about corruption.
A lot of people don't even understand the scoring system. They just get KO's, Winners and Losers. They don't get the intricacies of the sport.
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gilgamesh wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 10:04
Onetimeonly wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 22:19
gilgamesh wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:54

Yeah rounds 8 thru 11 were clear as a bell for him. Arguably the clearest rounds of the bout.
Nothing was clearer than round 12.
Almost every round of the fight was clearer than Round 12 except maybe Round 2.
:lol:
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Onetimeonly wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 10:35
gilgamesh wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 10:04
Onetimeonly wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 22:19

Nothing was clearer than round 12.
Almost every round of the fight was clearer than Round 12 except maybe Round 2.
:lol:
Laugh all you want. I'm right. I watched the goddamn fight.

Round 12 was competitive. Rounds 8 thru 11 were clear as a bell. Rounds 1 and then 3 thru 6 were clear as possible. Round 12 while Teo did the better work, it's not like Lomachenko didn't have his moments.

The other rounds I mention were all thoroughly one sided. It's plain to see.
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gilgamesh wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 10:39
Onetimeonly wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 10:35
gilgamesh wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 10:04

Almost every round of the fight was clearer than Round 12 except maybe Round 2.
:lol:
Laugh all you want. I'm right. I watched the goddamn fight.

Round 12 was competitive. Rounds 8 thru 11 were clear as a bell. Rounds 1 and then 3 thru 6 were clear as possible. Round 12 while Teo did the better work, it's not like Lomachenko didn't have his moments.

The other rounds I mention were all thoroughly one sided. It's plain to see.
:lol:
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gilgamesh wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 10:06
Finkel wrote: 30 Dec 2020, 00:10
gilgamesh wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 21:56

We're definitely calling Loma on his bullsh*t in this thread. At least he didn't make a million excuses like Wilder. He just blames the judges.

Hope he doesn't start with he was poisoned or his robe weighed him down or some other BS :lol:
I would prefer the approach of, mate, you lost. It was a close fight, but if your best case is to argue a draw on a scorecard, then yeah, real talk - you lost.

Whilst at the same time, acknowledging the winner of the fight had been decided before hand, and in turn making moves to clean the sport up.

Let's be real here, 11-1 is just insulting the fan's intelligence, whilst laughing all the way to bank.

Anyway, it seems Lomachenko is quickly distancing himself from the comments about corruption.
A lot of people don't even understand the scoring system. They just get KO's, Winners and Losers. They don't get the intricacies of the sport.


"Whilst at the same time, acknowledging the winner of the fight had been decided before hand, and in turn making moves to clean the sport up.

Let's be real here, 11-1 is just insulting the fan's intelligence, whilst laughing all the way to bank."


Julie Ledermen's scorecard of 11 rounds to one (119-109) was not corrupt, pre-planned, decided in advance, or even remotely suspicious.

Boxing business as usual in Las Vegas. I hope everyone got their pay-off. The money transfers should all have been finalised by now - though I don't expect Julie will be getting a Christmas bonus.
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Is it really easier for some folks to believe that Julie Lederman was paid off than to believe that she’s just not that good of a judge and scored a fight too wide albeit with the right result?

Conspiracy theories run rampant these days in all other facets of internet life. Not surprised to see more of them eek into boxing.
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