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Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:25

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 04:20

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 13:15 Anyone who uses the term "matrix" in relation to boxing is a prat.

The media has used the word "Matrix", for several years, as a synonym to describe Vasyl Lomachenko's unique fighting style/footwork.

It's basically a convenient abbreviation.

And anyone that is overly-sensitive to the point they're offended by the use of abbreviations, should be considered as prats!

Prat.

I don't think he knows what abbreviation means. Does each letter in Matrix apply to his movement?

Like Movement Around The Ring Is Xtreme

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 10:31

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 10:26

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 06:08

Lomachenko isn't doing anything that fighters haven't done for years



this ^^^ is a decent video but this one is even better:



the same techniques- sidesteps and pivots- that have been used for decades. nothing new there.

'matrix footwork' like he's some kind of alien

Great videos but it doesn't change my statement. I never said other fighters didn't have brilliant footwork and techniques. I said Lomachenko's is the best I've seen.

I stand by that statement. I never called it "Matrix style", it's just the best I've seen.

you did say it was unique to him. there is no single technique he uses that other boxers have not used before, and plenty.

It was Enlightened-One who used the terms "matrix" and "unique" in relation to Lomachenko. He is a prat.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:36
It was Enlightened-One who used the terms "matrix" and "unique" in relation to Lomachenko. He is a prat.

you're right on the first and third points

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 11:02

Lomachenko's footwork isn't some modern thing that is going to become common among fighters in general. It was a particular skill that he had spent a lifetime developing. Doing ballet and all that stuff as a kid. His footwork was a skill that was unique to him, not something that I can imagine becoming common place in the sport overall.

That being said I would agree that his is probably the best footwork I've ever seen from any fighter.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:27

Like Movement Around The Ring Is Xtreme

ha that's quite good

i believe the 'matrix' reference is a reference to the film, Lomachenko's footwork is so good he must be in the Matrix

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:27

Like Movement Around The Ring Is Xtreme

ha that's quite good

i believe the 'matrix' reference is a reference to the film, Lomachenko's footwork is so good he must be in the Matrix

His feet are a bit too busy, though that can be attributed to him being past prime. Then again, Floyd's was better older and against better opposition.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:52

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:36
It was Enlightened-One who used the terms "matrix" and "unique" in relation to Lomachenko. He is a prat.

you're right on the first and third points

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 11:02

Lomachenko's footwork isn't some modern thing that is going to become common among fighters in general. It was a particular skill that he had spent a lifetime developing. Doing ballet and all that stuff as a kid. His footwork was a skill that was unique to him, not something that I can imagine becoming common place in the sport overall.

That being said I would agree that his is probably the best footwork I've ever seen from any fighter.

I don't want to be pedantic, I'm not a prat like Enlightened-One, but he does use the word "unique" in his response to my intial "prat" post.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:52

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:36
It was Enlightened-One who used the terms "matrix" and "unique" in relation to Lomachenko. He is a prat.

you're right on the first and third points

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 11:02

Lomachenko's footwork isn't some modern thing that is going to become common among fighters in general. It was a particular skill that he had spent a lifetime developing. Doing ballet and all that stuff as a kid. His footwork was a skill that was unique to him, not something that I can imagine becoming common place in the sport overall.

That being said I would agree that his is probably the best footwork I've ever seen from any fighter.

His particular style of footwork is the best version of it I've seen. I stand by my statement.

I guess as long as Gil stands by being wrong, discussion is over. Nice guy, more of a clown boxing wise. Great mod.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:23 I guess as long as Gil stands by being wrong, discussion is over. Nice guy, more of a clown boxing wise. Great mod.

I stand by my opinion that he did things I haven't previously seen, and did it at a higher level than I'd previously seen.

Thank you. I am a great mod.

Sorry you're in a mood today and looking for somebody to argue with. Go get yourself a hooker, maybe you'll feel better.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 15:23

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:23 I guess as long as Gil stands by being wrong, discussion is over. Nice guy, more of a clown boxing wise. Great mod.

I stand by my opinion that he did things I haven't previously seen, and did it at a higher level than I'd previously seen.

Thank you. I am a great mod.

Sorry you're in a mood today and looking for somebody to argue with. Go get yourself a hooker, maybe you'll feel better.

Just wanted to use the sleepy emoji on me for a change huh?

Glad you got that out of your system.

Nah, you're just boring. Whatever makes you feel important.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 16:22

Great album.

I watched Wilder and Fury 2 again. I pictured it in black and white, blurry, with some jerkiness. Low hands, inside action, clinches, hitting behind the head. It looked like about 1900 in my head. It's coming on again in a few minutes, in my area. I set my TV for black and white this time.

Djanders44 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 17:38 I watched Wilder and Fury 2 again. I pictured it in black and white, blurry, with some jerkiness. Low hands, inside action, clinches, hitting behind the head. It looked like about 1900 in my head. It's coming on again in a few minutes, in my area. I set my TV for black and white this time.

Wouldn't think it'd improve it any, but hey go for it.

I've watched fights with the sound off before so we all do some experiments I suppose.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 11:27

Like Movement Around The Ring Is Xtreme

ha that's quite good

i believe the 'matrix' reference is a reference to the film, Lomachenko's footwork is so good he must be in the Matrix

I also believe Matrix is in reference to the film.

Too bad Loma ran into Teo... get it... like Neo...

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 18:14

Djanders44 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 17:38 I watched Wilder and Fury 2 again. I pictured it in black and white, blurry, with some jerkiness. Low hands, inside action, clinches, hitting behind the head. It looked like about 1900 in my head. It's coming on again in a few minutes, in my area. I set my TV for black and white this time.

Wouldn't think it'd improve it any, but hey go for it.

I've watched fights with the sound off before so we all do some experiments I suppose.

I turned off the sound, too, as well as the color, and messed up the picture controls some. It was like I was watching an old film from the 19th century I tell ya.

I’d expect or guess the quality of trainers has diminished since the 70s, 80s and 90s. It’s not like those lessons were recorded. Over time that knowledge would have dissipated...which is unfortunate. Surely that’s had an impact on the sport...for the worse.

I assess that all sports that aren't e-sports will regress over the next 20 to 30 years. Sport as we know it was a 20th Century thing. Teenagers now have better things to do than punch each other or chase balls on grass while some old guy yells at you to try harder.

Interesting comments. I thought certain sports are peaking and offer huge paydays and prestige...although we are only 21 years into the 21st cent.

lazboy wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 05:48 Interesting comments. I thought certain sports are peaking and offer huge paydays and prestige...although we are only 21 years into the 21st cent.

Peaking, yes. This will be the last great generation for physical sports.

Black Lives Matter and similar movements are a (positive) symptom of technical progress. The eggs thrown against the wall will reduce in number as these guys choose an education over being hard, physical workers or quick money rappers, dealers or sportsmen (not just in the 'first world' either. West Africans are getting increasingly educated and looking to develop their economy). Whites have been decreasingly represented in sport for years already.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 05:38 I assess that all sports that aren't e-sports will regress over the next 20 to 30 years. Sport as we know it was a 20th Century thing. Teenagers now have better things to do than punch each other or chase balls on grass while some old guy yells at you to try harder.

This saddens me.

My life has been infinitely better because of Life lessons learned from sport.