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Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 08:58

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:25 They can say whatever, look at what actually happened in the ring: jack, degale, smith, murray, gutnechkt, jr, chudinov---not one of them even counted despite being hit plenty by this world level monster puncher . poor gut's fate is exactly what happens when a guy lacks that finishing power and instead delivers shot after shot for 12

Froch was the only one above british who he levelled, and that's a fact, regardless of what any opponents say. So it's not like we can say Froch got dropped hard by a guy who was doing it to all sorts of good, sturdy fighters


Btw, GGG actually dropped Murray, twice, and stopped him, and did it to a fresher version. Groves landed the kitchen sink and couldnt drop him once or stop him. I'll go with what actually happened in the ring and not some retrospective interview, fighters do it all the time, like when they say their best opponent is someone they beat and not the guy that schooled them. you even have floyd, whos said his toughest opponent was emmanul augustus (who he totally breezed against and stopped) and not the guys who genuinely pushed him

action > words

Was Murray only down twice against GGG? I could have sworn he was dropped about 4 or 5 times

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:22

coneye wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 00:06 Hard one they both had good chins Eubank stood up to bigger men , but Froch fought the best of his era ,, Benn for me does'nt come into it , i always thought Benn was a great British / European level fighter he would'nt have a bar of the best around at the time , remember in an interview , Toney calling him out and saying Benns not fought anyone good , to which Benn replied yes i have i fought De witt ,, said it all really

The same DeWitt who gave peak Tommy Hearns a tough close fight over the distance, and bashed up former lb4lb rated Matt Hilton the fight before (who was said to have the hardest left hook in boxing)?

Deserter wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 08:17

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:24 The one sided beating Benn gave DeWitt petrified the Americans. Even Barkey struggled to look him in the eye, their hardest man of all.

I love Benn, but that simply isn't true. It also misses the point that around the time Benn beat Dewitt most of the top 10 middleweights weren't American, McCallum and Kalambay being two prime examples.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 10:37

Deserter wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 08:17

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:24 The one sided beating Benn gave DeWitt petrified the Americans. Even Barkey struggled to look him in the eye, their hardest man of all.

I love Benn, but that simply isn't true. It also misses the point that around the time Benn beat Dewitt most of the top 10 middleweights weren't American, McCallum and Kalambay being two prime examples.

Barkley looked down every time.

Deserter wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 10:53

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 10:37

Deserter wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 08:17
I love Benn, but that simply isn't true. It also misses the point that around the time Benn beat Dewitt most of the top 10 middleweights weren't American, McCallum and Kalambay being two prime examples.

Barkley looked down every time.

That hardly equates to all Americans being petrified. Typical hyperbole on your part.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 11:33

Deserter wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 10:53

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 10:37
Barkley looked down every time.

That hardly equates to all Americans being petrified. Typical hyperbole on your part.

Iran was also a lot taller than him!

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 17:23 Yep, you're right, GGG had Murray down 3 times, Groves had him down 0

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 19:32

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 17:23 Yep, you're right, GGG had Murray down 3 times, Groves had him down 0

But Murray, you know, the guy actually fighting said Groves was a bigger one punch hitter!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 19:32

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 17:23 Yep, you're right, GGG had Murray down 3 times, Groves had him down 0

But Murray, you know, the guy actually fighting said Groves was a bigger one punch hitter!

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 04:24 Yet groves landed tons of them over 12 rounds and couldnt put him down...

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 04:33

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 04:24 Yet groves landed tons of them over 12 rounds and couldnt put him down...

It isn’t that black and white, you can be hurt and not be knocked over, other things come into play, your balance, if you saw the punch coming, if it hit you on the temple and your brain is scrambled for instance. Being knocked out is pretty painless, it’s instant so it’s not uncommon to be more hurt in other fights.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 20:16

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 19:32

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 17:23 Yep, you're right, GGG had Murray down 3 times, Groves had him down 0

But Murray, you know, the guy actually fighting said Groves was a bigger one punch hitter!

his body and what actually happened, said otherwise funny that such a massive one hitter could hit him clean over and over and not even drop him once in 12 rounds! let alone put him on his arse 3 times and actually stop him......is there such a thing as being a monster hitter, but not having knockdown power?

Floyd's said emmanuel agusuts was his toughest opponent

actions > words (especially words done several years later)

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 04:35

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 04:33

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 04:24 Yet groves landed tons of them over 12 rounds and couldnt put him down...

It isn’t that black and white, you can be hurt and not be knocked over, other things come into play, your balance, if you saw the punch coming, if it hit you on the temple and your brain is scrambled for instance. Being knocked out is pretty painless, it’s instant so it’s not uncommon to be more hurt in other fights.

well i guess it depends on how one defines 'hurt', because id say a guy totally knocked cold was badly hurt even if he felt nothing

and as ive said, it's not a one off thing.....look at all the fights where groves lands tons of good shots but couldnt even put the guys down....its why poor gutnechkt ended the way he did. im just having trouble buying this stuff about him having monster power......fighters are well known to give funny answers in these 'best of' type of interviews, constantly big upping guys they did better against compared to those they struggled with more.