Who should Ruiz fight after arreola

[Bandog]

Ruiz being in the top ten shows how pathetc the division is over- all. He's just not that good.

[ironbeard]

Ruiz being in the top ten shows how pathetc the division is over- all. He's just not that good.

Good enough to take the 0 from AJ, in dominant fashion.

[margaret thatcher]

LOL ortiz's own trainer and manager were pissed that the aj offer was turned down, said it was a terrible move

ortiz said he'd fight aj any time, any placce, any money, then the huge offer came and he wasnt so brash any more

initially he claimed he was lowballed, but then his team admitted it was actually like 7-8m offer

that's why you have to LOL at anyone who acts like ortiz calling out dudes means anything

[candyslim]

@Bandog:

Don't sweat it, we've all messed up quotes. There was no binding commitment preventing Ortiz from taking the Joshua fight though I'll grant you he was almost certainly "requested" by Haymon to clear his diary and he'd get another shot at Wilder.

And so it came to pass but how much do you suppose he got for getting knocked out by Wilder rather than Joshua?

I've got a figure in my head of 2.1 million dollars but I may be thinking of what Wilder got for their first fight. You can bet your life it wasn't anywhere near 7 million dollars though, i wouldn't be surprised if that's more than Ortiz has made in his whole career. Hardly surprising when you consider how timid he is.

Quite how this man has built a reputation for being the division's bogeyman nobody wants to fight is beyond me. It's all smoke and mirrors.

[margaret thatcher]

the guy's callouts have no credibility after the aj situation, he had just been calling him out saying he'd fight him anytime/place/for free, then he gets a huge offer and goes bye bye. not often you get a guy's manager and trainer openly saying it was crazy for an offer to be rejected


calling ppl out is easy and means f@ck all really

hey luiz ortiz i call you out, i'll fight you for the last burrito. omg he didnt respond so he must be ducking me

[candyslim]

Yet you still find simple folk taking serial duckers at their word, while accusing those who have shown time and again that they'll fight anyone.

Look at the resumé people. Boxers lie. Their resumé doesn't.

[Bandog]

@Bandog:

Don't sweat it, we've all messed up quotes. There was no binding commitment preventing Ortiz from taking the Joshua fight though I'll grant you he was almost certainly "requested" by Haymon to clear his diary and he'd get another shot at Wilder.

And so it came to pass but how much do you suppose he got for getting knocked out by Wilder rather than Joshua?

I've got a figure in my head of 2.1 million dollars but I may be thinking of what Wilder got for their first fight. You can bet your life it wasn't anywhere near 7 million dollars though, i wouldn't be surprised if that's more than Ortiz has made in his whole career. Hardly surprising when you consider how timid he is.

Quite how this man has built a reputation for being the division's bogeyman nobody wants to fight is beyond me. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Ortiz is clearly a better boxer than Wilder, and has proved that. He was KO'd but I think showed why he is avoided for the most part, being a tricky southpaw with Power. How can it be possible to be in the top 5 or 10 so long and only Wilder has given him fights? I'd like to see how good he is. He could have easily won by TKO in the first Wilder fight, and won most of the rounds in both fights. Yes, others have done that too, but think Ortiz is better than most give him credit for.

[candyslim]

Bandog: Wilder is, or has been, a very effective fighter thanks to his devastating right hand but until he lands that finishing shot he has been outboxed by every challenger he has faced (who made it to round two.)

Even the extremely ordinary Artur Szpilka boxed his ears off until Wilder lowered the boom in spectacular fashion, despite conceding about 6" in height and similar in reach.

Ortiz is undoubtedly Wilder's superior when it comes to pure boxing technique but that's like saying he's got better eyesight than Stevie Wonder.

Who says Ortiz has been avoided? Other than Ortiz himself that is. We saw what happened when Joshua took him up on his anytime/ anywhere/ fight you for nothing boasting. He didn't want to know despite being offered 14 times his biggest payday.

As for his absurdly high undeserved rating you know as well as anyone how crap and politically motivated are the ratings by the alphabet mafia.

[margaret thatcher]

@Bandog:

Don't sweat it, we've all messed up quotes. There was no binding commitment preventing Ortiz from taking the Joshua fight though I'll grant you he was almost certainly "requested" by Haymon to clear his diary and he'd get another shot at Wilder.

And so it came to pass but how much do you suppose he got for getting knocked out by Wilder rather than Joshua?

I've got a figure in my head of 2.1 million dollars but I may be thinking of what Wilder got for their first fight. You can bet your life it wasn't anywhere near 7 million dollars though, i wouldn't be surprised if that's more than Ortiz has made in his whole career. Hardly surprising when you consider how timid he is.

Quite how this man has built a reputation for being the division's bogeyman nobody wants to fight is beyond me. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Ortiz is clearly a better boxer than Wilder, and has proved that. He was KO'd but I think showed why he is avoided for the most part, being a tricky southpaw with Power. How can it be possible to be in the top 5 or 10 so long and only Wilder has given him fights? I'd like to see how good he is. He could have easily won by TKO in the first Wilder fight, and won most of the rounds in both fights. Yes, others have done that too, but think Ortiz is better than most give him credit for.

the answer is pretty simple: in ortiz's entire career he has pretty much fought sh!t aside from wilder, and hasnt fought any top non-wilder opponent arguably his whole career

aside from wilder there's basically jennings (good win ), malik scott and 46 year old tony thompson

just for some perspective, malik scott had already been KO's in 6 rounds by chisora before ortiz beat him by decision, and thompson had lost 11-1 to carlos takam 2 years earlier + retired straight after + was closer to 50 than 40. beating them up was hardly some big accomplishment.

[margaret thatcher]

luis ortiz has beaten 1 top 15 fighter in his whole career, same goes for ruiz. they are well matched and should fight instead of ducking

(although i know there's a certain Ortiz W Thompson fetishist out there )

[KiwiRider]

Ortiz never had a better showing than Vs Jennings.
It seems that was his pro peak at 37ish years old.

[margaret thatcher]

exactly, his big shining moment that gave him boogeyman status, and he's been dining on it ever since

his only win in almost 2.5 years is alex flores!

[Bandog]

luis ortiz has beaten 1 top 15 fighter in his whole career, same goes for ruiz. they are well matched and should fight instead of ducking

(although i know there's a certain Ortiz W Thompson fetishist out there )

How do you get top 15 wins when they won't fight you? Whyte, Miller, and Joyce all turned him down. Wait and see, Ruiz will too.

[margaret thatcher]

luis ortiz has beaten 1 top 15 fighter in his whole career, same goes for ruiz. they are well matched and should fight instead of ducking

(although i know there's a certain Ortiz W Thompson fetishist out there )

How do you get top 15 wins when they won't fight you? Whyte, Miller, and Joyce all turned him down. Wait and see, Ruiz will too.

the drug lover ortiz is the phony my man, it's been proven that he calls guys out and then ducks them when they offer huge paydays. you know what that shows? that he calls guys out when he really has no intention to fight them

only gullibles still believe his nonsense

[Wales]

surely being out of the ring for two and a half years, and what he put his body through, is proof enough that his head wasn't right, only a hater would suggest otherwise.

There are also multiple photos and videos of his excessive drinking and drug use and interviews by him and those close to him detailing the issues.

His father has said in the past that the start of Tyson falling into a dark place was not getting the recognition and adulation he deserved after beating Klitchko. He’d worked hard for 15 years to become the best and when it happened there was very little recognition. Other boxers were appearing on chat shows and being lauded yet Fury was pretty much ignored. Now, let’s have it right, U.K. television wouldn’t touch him due to his unpredictability and previous extreme views on subjects like homosexuality (he said all gays will go to hell). He’d also threatened some Well respected U.K.sports journalists who’d interviewed him - so it was no surprise the media kept him at arms length.

I think that’s why he now openly and often says he doesn’t care about legacy or what others think about him.

That all makes sense. It does seem ironic that he has been vilified for things he's said when everybody knows now (or at least ought to) that he frequently contradicts himself, talks complete shite, and doesn't believe half of what comes out of his own mouth..

Agreed - but there’s a line you can’t cross and going on rants on live TV saying gay people are as bad as peadophiles and will burn in hell. Calling other fighters faggots during an interview between rounds, saying women are only good for sex and washing up. And potentially most damaging (believe it or not) threatening to kill a very well respected and senior U.K. journalist during an interview for a top newspaper has really fucked him up.
Also, during his time away from the sport he was filmed on multiple occasions either on drugs, or referencing drug use .
Filmed in France when the soccer was there singing about “snifing gear” , photographed in a music festival in ecstasy etc…

I think when he came back from his break he realised why TV shows wouldnt touch him and was more TV show / media friendly and looked to build that.

I don’t think his opinions have changed. I just think he’s realised he can’t openly express then

[candyslim]

I'm surprised an intelligent person ever thought it might be different. Maybe his ring IQ is the only impressive aspect of it (his IQ)

[candyslim]

luis ortiz has beaten 1 top 15 fighter in his whole career, same goes for ruiz. they are well matched and should fight instead of ducking

(although i know there's a certain Ortiz W Thompson fetishist out there )

How do you get top 15 wins when they won't fight you? Whyte, Miller, and Joyce all turned him down. Wait and see, Ruiz will too.

I can't prove it and the word of any promoter has to be taken with a pinch of salt but Hearn has said and so has Whyte that offers have been made to Luis Ortiz on three separate occasions and each time Ortiz has declined.

We cannot know if this is true but we can assess the evidence. We know for a fact that Ortiz not only rejected $7m to fight Joshua but what's more he was caught lying about it. Hearn threatened to go public with the correspondence and Ortiz was forced into a humiliating public apology.

As an amateur Joe Joyce faced many showdowns with the best in the world and he came out the winner most of the time (he was unlucky to lose the Olympic gold medal to Yoka and no arguments Usyk beat him soundly in WSB)
I don't believe for one second that he would have any fear of fighting Ortiz whereas it is obvious why Ortiz would steer well clear of Joyce.

Dillian Whyte has faced recent former champion Joe Parker, Alexandr Povetkin twice, who has achieved way more both amateur and pro than Ortiz ever has. He turned Lucas Browne from a man regarded as a dangerous unbeaten former belt-holder into a man regarded as a joke. He fought two wars with Chisora who is a very dangerous opponent for anyone who like Dillian, isn't stylistically mobile. He fought a great fight with Joshua and had him on stiff legs in the second round. He beat Oscar Rivas and Robert Helenius, both dangerous and Rivas holding a win over the arguably best opponent Ortiz ever beat.

Why would Dillian Whyte have any reason to fear an old man on heart-medication when he clearly had no qualms about facing these guys?

Seriously, how gullible would you need to be to take Ortiz's word over Whyte's? Have a word with yourself Bandog.

[Bandog]

luis ortiz has beaten 1 top 15 fighter in his whole career, same goes for ruiz. they are well matched and should fight instead of ducking

(although i know there's a certain Ortiz W Thompson fetishist out there )

How do you get top 15 wins when they won't fight you? Whyte, Miller, and Joyce all turned him down. Wait and see, Ruiz will too.

I can't prove it and the word of any promoter has to be taken with a pinch of salt but Hearn has said and so has Whyte that offers have been made to Luis Ortiz on three separate occasions and each time Ortiz has declined.

We cannot know if this is true but we can assess the evidence. We know for a fact that Ortiz not only rejected $7m to fight Joshua but what's more he was caught lying about it. Hearn threatened to go public with the correspondence and Ortiz was forced into a humiliating public apology.

As an amateur Joe Joyce faced many showdowns with the best in the world and he came out the winner most of the time (he was unlucky to lose the Olympic gold medal to Yoka and no arguments Usyk beat him soundly in WSB)
I don't believe for one second that he would have any fear of fighting Ortiz whereas it is obvious why Ortiz would steer well clear of Joyce.

Dillian Whyte has faced recent former champion Joe Parker, Alexandr Povetkin twice, who has achieved way more both amateur and pro than Ortiz ever has. He turned Lucas Browne from a man regarded as a dangerous unbeaten former belt-holder into a man regarded as a joke. He fought two wars with Chisora who is a very dangerous opponent for anyone who like Dillian, isn't stylistically mobile. He fought a great fight with Joshua and had him on stiff legs in the second round. He beat Oscar Rivas and Robert Helenius, both dangerous and Rivas holding a win over the arguably best opponent Ortiz ever beat.

Why would Dillian Whyte have any reason to fear an old man on heart-medication when he clearly had no qualms about facing these guys?

Seriously, how gullible would you need to be to take Ortiz's word over Whyte's? Have a word with yourself Bandog.

Whyte refused to fight Ortiz when ordered by WBC I think it was. Whatever. How about Joyce? He called Ortiz out 2-3 yrs ago, Ortiz accepted the challenge, so why didn't it happen? https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/7 ... ss-career/

In 2018: “He [manager Sam Jones] mentioned Luis Ortiz at the press conference for the last fight, and I said, ‘there’s no way we’re going to fight Ortiz.’ We’re not ready for Ortiz,” Sanchez said to IFL TV about not wanting to let Joyce fight Ortiz.

Update: Maybe "Grandpa killer" Joyce will strap his nuts on and take on the ancient Ortiz? Or duck again?

[candyslim]

That is what Ortiz does. He makes a lot of noise about making and accepting challenges and rarely does anything come of it.

Not being party to the exchanges we cannot know what happens after but what we do know is that Ortiz is regularly one side of a fight that never gets made and he accuses the opponent of ducking or low-balling - see much repeated remarks about Hearn/ Joshua.

Did you hear Sam Jones say they weren't ready for Ortiz or did you hear Sanchez claim that's what he said? There may be some truth in that if it happened in Joe's first few fights as a pro. It's reasonable he might want to take a few fights at a lower level first. Ortiz had a lot more credibility back then. Watching his destruction of Bryant Jennings impressed me greatly and I was onboard the train for quite a while.

As for Dillian Whyte it has been discussed at length that Dillian's immediate reaction was one of anger at the WBC but he calmed down and Hearn tried to arrange a fight between Ortiz and Whyte.

Ortiz said he couldn't meet Whyte on the date proposed and then ended up facing Razvan Cojanu on the same date.

p.s. If you were a Brit you'd know nothing reported in the "Sun" can be assumed to be reliable. It is undeniably entertaining but for all the wrong reasons as the numerous lawsuits would testify.

[Enlightened-One]

Did you hear Sam Jones say they weren't ready for Ortiz or did you hear Sanchez claim that's what he said?

Joe Joyce turned pro towards the end of 2017.

And when the 'Juggernaut' was aligned with Al Haymon (January 2019), Sam Jones said that Joe was “95 per cent” likely to face the Cuban later on in the year, but they ended up breaking ties with the PBC, which scuppered those plans.

Abel Sanchez did say, during February 2019, that he thought Joyce needed a couple more fights before facing Louis Ortiz. The Brit had only competed seven times as a pro at that point.

This was around the same date Joe stopped working with Sanchez.

For the record, Abel Sanchez only worked with Joe for three fights, with their working relationship spanning less than seven months.

[Wales]

In relation to Ortiz - he was offered $5m to fight AJ and him and his team turned it down as “a low ball offer”

Here’s the thing - was it “low ball” maybe
But, $5m is still silly money. $5m is the most any UFC fighter has ever been paid as base salary.
Plus if you believed in your own ability you’d think “I’ll take $5m to beat AJ, then make more going forwards”

Where else would Ortiz see $5m

[Enlightened-One]

In relation to Ortiz - he was offered $5m to fight AJ and him and his team turned it down as “a low ball offer”

Here’s the thing - was it “low ball” maybe
But, $5m is still silly money. $5m is the most any UFC fighter has ever been paid as base salary.
Plus if you believed in your own ability you’d think “I’ll take $5m to beat AJ, then make more going forwards”

Where else would Ortiz see $5m

Eddie confirmed he'd initially submitted a $6m offer, but then raised it to $7m, as per his interview with iFL TV.

He said that the fight would have included an immediate rematch clause, whereby Ortiz would have earned a bigger purse for the second bout against AJ.

However, had Ortiz lost, Eddie Hearn promised to provide the Cuban with another big payday opportunity “as security”.

So not only was Luis Ortiz being paid $7m for the AJ fight, he was guaranteed another big payday regardless as to whether he won or lost (the same type of deal Joseph Parker accepted when he fought AJ).

After receiving the $7m offer from Matchroom, the Cuban's team rejected it, claiming they were being low-balled and that it was simply a gimmick.

The Matchroom boss didn't take lightly to the derogatory claims of Team Ortiz, so he threatened to disclose their written correspondences.

This led to Jay Jiminez, Ortiz’s manager, immediately apologising and conceding that Eddie was telling the truth.

Anyway, seven months after the failed negotiations with Matchroom, Luis Ortiz apparently received $1.5m for the Wilder rematch:

[JamesPhilips]

The first opponent Ruiz needs to defeat is his feckin appetite

[margaret thatcher]

ortiz own trainer said in an interview it was 7m theyd been offered and that it was a stupid decision to turn it down

what a f@cking quack quack ducker luis is

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He didnt get 1.5 mm for the wilder rematch. He made much more than that.just like wilder made oodles more than 3mm