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Coco wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 10:20 Some fighters without great speed had great timing

Very few had both, even fewer had both along with power.

Step forward, Julian Jackson.

Coco wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 10:20 Some fighters without great speed had great timing

Kell Brook.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 06:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Apr 2021, 18:38

stujones wrote: ↑25 Apr 2021, 17:16 I think some fighters have underated speed as they might not be flashy. Bhop is someone I think has fast hands, even if not as fast as his flashier rivals RJJ and DLH - but he out speeded Pavlik and Tarver.

Another fighter who might not look flashy quick but I always thought had quick hands was Steve Robinson.

id agree with panther if we're talking late career bhop. he'd slowed a lot by then , even though he had decent speed earlier in his career.

his fight vs pascal is a good example of him beating someone both faster handed and harder punching than himself

true but his hands looked like warp-speed compared to the Pavster

true, although, even at 43 or whatever it was, that was not quite 'late career' hopkins, the old bastard

at lhw, in the last few years when he had the title run there, he was 1 potshot here and there, and a lot slower than he used to be. vs pavlik and in his mw days he threw a lot of nice combos and moved around more fluidly with less holding too. as he got even older he knew he had to adapt though

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 11:58

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 06:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Apr 2021, 18:38

id agree with panther if we're talking late career bhop. he'd slowed a lot by then , even though he had decent speed earlier in his career.

his fight vs pascal is a good example of him beating someone both faster handed and harder punching than himself

true but his hands looked like warp-speed compared to the Pavster

true, although, even at 43 or whatever it was, that was not quite 'late career' hopkins, the old bastard

at lhw, in the last few years when he had the title run there, he was 1 potshot here and there, and a lot slower than he used to be. vs pavlik and in his mw days he threw a lot of nice combos and moved around more fluidly with less holding too. as he got even older he knew he had to adapt though

One of a kind. Well, two, with Archie Moore.

What about John Ruiz? Granted he knocked down Holyfield once but I struggle to think of any other displays of power

ya good shout that

tony thompson maybe too.....slow as molasses, andd price 1 aside never really recalled him showing serious power

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 11:58

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 06:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Apr 2021, 18:38

id agree with panther if we're talking late career bhop. he'd slowed a lot by then , even though he had decent speed earlier in his career.

his fight vs pascal is a good example of him beating someone both faster handed and harder punching than himself

true but his hands looked like warp-speed compared to the Pavster

true, although, even at 43 or whatever it was, that was not quite 'late career' hopkins, the old bastard

at lhw, in the last few years when he had the title run there, he was 1 potshot here and there, and a lot slower than he used to be. vs pavlik and in his mw days he threw a lot of nice combos and moved around more fluidly with less holding too. as he got even older he knew he had to adapt though

Yeah I was meaning Hopkins in his hey day.....fights I particularly noted his handspeed were against the likes of Haakar, Joppy (who had quick hands himself) and Eastman


Robin Reid didnt have fast hand and didnt seem to have chilling power (but obviously a strong boy who could stop you in your tracks). Glenn Catley amother and Ritchie Woodhall I would say fit the thread title more....in fact lots of Super Middles from that era....Nardiello, Malinga, Lucas.....all world champions

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Apr 2021, 09:13

bennie wrote: ↑25 Apr 2021, 01:52

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Apr 2021, 15:14 Gary Davison.

Gary was quick but a horrible tendency to cut cost him his career, which is a shame because he deserved a shot at the British bantamweight title. Gary worked for Boxing News for a while and was mine host at the famous Thomas a Becket pub on the Old Kent Road in the 1980s. He used to chin the troublemakers with a left hook.

Apologies I meant John Davison who lost to Steve Robinson.

John seemed to lose a lot of his power when they dropped him from featherweight to bantamweight in the unpaid ranks, which is quite a drop. He stayed at bantamweight for a few years but missed out on Olympic selection in 1988 and decided to turn pro (at featherweight again).

Jake Lamotta

chris john

Chill John.

Tyson Fury to a degree. Gets by on awkwardness.will beat you up but is not fast nor super powerful. Uses his sheer size to win. For a guy that size like wlad he should be flattening them all.

Spiker wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 04:10 Tyson Fury to a degree. Gets by on awkwardness.will beat you up but is not fast nor super powerful. Uses his sheer size to win. For a guy that size like wlad he should be flattening them all.

Tyson uses is natural size advantages to the max, add in great timing and keeping his feet moving, it all makes him so difficult to beat.
While he can be dropped with single shots, keeping him down is another thing, the only man I see beating Fury is himself, I can't see the AJ fight being competitive.

Fury’s boxing iq is second to none. He’s also very adept at using his size in a dirty manner. He broke Cunningham and Wilder leaning on them in every clinch.

He doesn’t have a boxing IQ. Similar to Joe Calzaghe. They just do things naturally

steve collins

J-C wrote: ↑28 Apr 2021, 15:10Jake Lamotta

Good one

Spiker wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 04:10 Tyson Fury to a degree. Gets by on awkwardness.will beat you up but is not fast nor super powerful. Uses his sheer size to win. For a guy that size like wlad he should be flattening them all.

dont agree his sheer 1 inch advantage over wilder , or 2inch over wlad, he has power just he has been cautias after fights like cunningham i reckon,

a touch of this to the mcdonnell bois as well

brilo33 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 10:29

Spiker wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 04:10 Tyson Fury to a degree. Gets by on awkwardness.will beat you up but is not fast nor super powerful. Uses his sheer size to win. For a guy that size like wlad he should be flattening them all.

dont agree his sheer 1 inch advantage over wilder , or 2inch over wlad, he has power just he has been cautias after fights like cunningham i reckon,

He's also extremely skilful.

Vito Antuefermo and Carmen Basilio. They were just hard as nails and were 15 round fighters.

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 10:07 Vito Antuefermo and Carmen Basilio. They were just hard as nails and were 15 round fighters.

Good call. Gene Fulmer is another.

Add Carlos Palomino to the list

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 08:08 He doesn’t have a boxing IQ. Similar to Joe Calzaghe. They just do things naturally

That's what a boxing IQ is.

Carlos Baldomir