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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 14:06

dickbelden wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 13:31

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 13:18
Isn't this a Fury-Wilder III prediction thread?

FURY 2.5-1 over WILDER(betonline)--- think this line is too wide---should be excellent entertainment !

why too wide when fury 60-52'd him in their last fight and is yet to lose to him in 2 meetings?

2.5 is hardly huge or anything like that

skanksta wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 10:31

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 10:30

IRONFIST wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 10:08

Got a feeing Usyk would beat Joshua and ruin the big Fury showdown, Joshua hasn't got the best of chins and his stamina is suspect, Usyk could take him in the latter rounds. It's now or never for the Fury vs Joshua showdown I suspect.

ridiculous

Is it !? Why ?

Cyclops wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 19:14

skanksta wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 10:31

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 10:30

ridiculous

Is it !? Why ?

Way back I was predicting Usyk would unify Cruiserweight and then move up and beat Joshua. As of now I think that's highly unlikely. He's aged and isn't big enough. He was a brilliant Cruiser but he really is too small.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 20:38 These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

dickbelden wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 22:26

Kronkpride wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 20:38 These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

this is correct.

DrDuke wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 13:40 Fury will destroy the big dosser in the same fashion. If this mismatch happens now instead of Fury-Joshua, hopefully The Gypsy King mangles Wilder so hard, that Deontay spends all earned money on doctors.

stevec@france wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 03:35

skanksta wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 14:14

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 12:19
Usyk beating Joshua " could take him in the latter rounds "

its frankly ludicrous to me !

I should point out I am a big fan of both fighters and if it happens will of course watch it but AJ will stop him pre 6 - unless he fancies a longer work out before going for the big one .

The idea that AJ is certain to dispatch Usyk in 5 or less is more ridiculous than his idea that Usyk can make a competitive fight for a while.

Well if the fight happens then we shall see

Kronkpride wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 20:38 These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

skanksta wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 06:56

Kronkpride wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 20:38 These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

That's great KP.
It's nice to know you're insane about boxing as well as everything else !

Kronkpride wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 07:52

skanksta wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 06:56

Kronkpride wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 20:38 These guys could do it 10 times in a row and it is always must see TV. Literally anything can happen.

I'm glad Wilder got the 3rd shot. He held that strap for so long and the contract was there for the 3rd before they fought. It would be nuts to not go try to get the belt back. And Joshua does not deserve the fight until Wilder/Fury is cleaned up. Joshua was hammer timed by Ruiz and then ran for a UD when Andy came in fatter than the first time. I still rate Ruiz ahead of Joshua as his win is stellar compared to Joshua's in their series. I hope to see Andy get his 3rd shot someday but he will have to earn his later. Wilder's shot here was earned before he ever lost. This is the right match to make.

That's great KP.
It's nice to know you're insane about boxing as well as everything else !

As a former long time contractor who never once did not honor an agreed to contract....F you. A deal is a deal once it is made even if a better opportunity comes along for either or both sides. As a title challenger Fury got a fairly friendly contract where both men had the ability to demand a rematch. That is highly unusual for a challenger. Fury is a highly unusual challenger as the real undefeated HW champ of the world. But he signed the deal which went both ways.

The reality of Fury and Joshua is that neither camp should have ever even negotiated until Wilder was out of the way contractually in a fully resolved fashion in the legal system. To have done so is not honorable to the sport or anybody in it. Contract law is a primary basis of boxing and it is very inappropriate to try and skirt it. You win your way out in court or you buy your way out or you honor the contracts you signed. You do that before you start contract negotiations with another party for the slot you already made a contractual agreement on.

I like Fury quite a bit but bahumbug to him and his team as well as Joshua and Hearn for going about all of this in a very wrong way. I think Wilder is an ultra dickhead but that contract must be honored. .

skanksta wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 06:50

stevec@france wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 03:35

skanksta wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 14:14

The idea that AJ is certain to dispatch Usyk in 5 or less is more ridiculous than his idea that Usyk can make a competitive fight for a while.

Well if the fight happens then we shall see

Yes, can't wait - even AJ vs Usyk would be a good fight.

Are you saying that AJ wins easily in style within 5 rounds and you consider any other result "ludicrous" ?

Kronkpride wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 10:48 People should also remember why we are here.

Fury failed to give Wlad his rematch when he spun out of control. That failure set up Joshua vs Wlad. Then Joshua vs Wilder was never seriously sought by either side and Fury stepped up to get the ball rolling.

If Fury honored that contract everything is different today. Joshua already got benefited quite a bit by a broken contract as he got to fight Martin and then Wlad because of it.

If Fury was able to dodge both rematches Joshua would really be unfairly benefitted by it. His whole career path would be more about Fury's broken contracts than Joshua's actual ability. As it is Joshua already has benefited enough and the only right thing is for Wilder to get his contract honored and Usyk to get his mandatory opportunity. Winners match up for the whole ball of wax afterwards.

stevec@france wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 10:28

skanksta wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 06:50

stevec@france wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 03:35

Well if the fight happens then we shall see

Yes, can't wait - even AJ vs Usyk would be a good fight.

Are you saying that AJ wins easily in style within 5 rounds and you consider any other result "ludicrous" ?

what I said I thought was ludicrous is " Usyk takes him in the latter rounds "
He just lacks the pop to deal with proper HW `s , vs Chisora he was coming on strong in the 8th / 9th cant remember exactly and just couldnt put enough onto his punches to stop him , then the bell goes and the moment is lost .
If he comes on strong with AJ then he gets battered along the lines of Pulev with multiple trips to the canvas .

But I believe actually AJ will be hunting him after a few rounds of feeling each other out and will go for it in style in 4/5 maybe 6 .

but let's not forget were not dealing with honourable people here.

We're dealing with some very deceptively devious people here,

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 15:54 Logically, I know Fury wins. I don’t think Wilder barely won a round when he didn’t knock Fury down, and he certainly would have lost at least one of those rounds had that not happened. Still... Punchers make me nervous.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 21:51

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 15:54 Logically, I know Fury wins. I don’t think Wilder barely won a round when he didn’t knock Fury down, and he certainly would have lost at least one of those rounds had that not happened. Still... Punchers make me nervous.

They are both capable guys. I think Fury edged the first fight slightly despite the knock downs but that was a near miracle to get up from that shit that probably blows every other door off at every other time. Fury had to rise like the Undertaker just to get that 2nd fight....that came with a 3rd locked in.

In the rematch Fury said he was coming right at him. Most thought he was lying and Wilder probably did too. He got to Wilder early and Wilder just didn't seem to have much that night for whatever reason. But that was like a German Blitzkrieg. That shit works great the first time when it is a surprise. Wilder will be more prepared for that tactic in the 3rd fight. And I doubt he can come in with less than he seemed to come in for the 2nd.

There is no telling what can happen as if Wilder can connect with a big bomb early in the fight while he has good legs he can end Fury. Fury is a bad man...very durable and the most crafty and skilled guy there is at HW...but Wilder has the goods to smash him nonetheless. His power is the real deal and it is the only thing that has ever came close to beating Fury. Wlad has good power too but not the same league. He has a ton more skill than Wilder but he got hypnotized and never threatened Fury. Wilder almost put him away.

I know people rate the Wlad fights both ways and many prefer the fireworks show in the Joshua fight over the master class boxing lesson Fury gave him but Wlad almost put Joshua away. I think he could have though and needed to go finish him when he had him. Nothing to lose and everything to gain back there....Wlad struck out on tactics but was still very impressive showing his heart there at his elevated age. The Fury fight to me is more impressive. Wlad had won so many rounds and beaten guys almost single handedly at times in a literal sense with his jab. Wlad was a long time dominant master boxer and Fury schooled him to perfection.

I still think Fury vs Wilder is the best fight. All of the top skills in the division are in that ring barring top chin and Joshua is safe to say below both in chin or at least is IMO. Wilder has the top power skill. Fury has the top boxing ability and boxing IQ skills. The skills and IQ won once. The power came so close to winning and kept him his title once. This is not a lopsided series or fight. This is a dangerous and competitive fight and should be one of the great trilogies. Nothing to whine about here at all with this fight.